Oh the cheek of Gen.com not offering support after June 2003 to any FO user. (mind you as a registered user of FO they have yet to email me to tell me this) And why anyone would want to use FTM (any version) is beyond me. So it looks like I will keep an eye on the new RM and see how it goes and as I live in Australia will have to wait till it comes Downunder to buy anyway (and at a dearer price - sigh!!)so will give me time to see what all you people think of it. But I bet it beats FTM handsdown too. Thank Alfred for the support you give not only here but also on the Gen.com FO forum. Nori in Sth Australia