The Family Origins archives seem to be working and up to date again! I just checked, and there they were, right up through Wayne's reply to the source spacing and punctuation problem at 17:50:40 -0400 today http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users I haven't been checking every day, so I don't know exactly when it came back. The Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator Alfred Eller