Hello Norma, Wayne, Alfred, Dick, et al: Well, I'm still trying to accept FO's definition of "related" as in "Everyone related to the above person" on the the drag and drop screen. As I said before, there's no way my gGF Gohlke could be considered related to my cousins four generations down on my mother's side but that's the way the program works. I'm not saying this drag and drop feature is bad but it ought to be re-labeled "Everyone in this tree" or something similar. It would also be nice if there were another choice called "All kin of this person". That way I could get the 142 kin if I chose my gGF or the 589 kin if I chose myself. Enough of that. Regarding the 20 "non-kin", I followed your suggestions and tried several methods. There is absolutely no easy way to do this and I would not recommend anyone trying it unless you have two computers and a lot of patience. Alfred wrote: > To find out who those 20 "non kin" were, export a GEDCOM, selecting > individuals, select yourself, your ancestors and entire ancestor line, > That should get the whole tree. You could then go to your earliest > ancestor in each line and deselect him/her and all his/her descendants > and their spouses", because FOW lists such people in the kinship > list, such as "The spouse of sixth cousin four times removed". About > the only ones you have left is the parents and siblings of those > spouses. That's easier said than done. First off, selecting Individuals, Yourself, Ancestors and Entire Ancestor Line will not get the whole tree. I get everyone except my wife, kids and grandkids. It's funny - I DO get my sister, her spouse, her kids and her grandkids. So be it. I just started with the entire database which, by now, consists of only one tree. For the gedcom export, it was easy enough to mark all individuals in the database. But then the fun - or should I say torture - began. If you're in the "Select People to Export" mode and trying to unmark your earliest ancestors in each line with all his/her descendants and their spouses, you can't toggle over to a tree view to see who you're earliest andestors are. After struggling with that for a couple of hours, I finally cranked up my other computer (about two feer away) and put the tree views up there. By working back and forth, I unmarked everyone I thought should be unmarked and then exported to NONKIN.GED. This has 27 individuals in it - not 20. Further checking revealed I had forgotten to unmark 6 so now I'm down to 21. That's close enough. I guess my closing advice to anyone doing genealogy is "Don't ask who the non-kin are in your database." <g>. For a related subject, see my post of Jan 16, 2001 under "Rearrange your search list" Charles