It looks like it. It seems that the program forgot that we could send an FGS to a web site. About all that I can suggest is that you remove the checkmark from the SS number fact's FGS output too. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ===================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Kelly-Bly" <bkbnj@optonline.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: RE: [FO] SSN fact not showing in reports > This may have been covered, and I simply just missed it. > > I use the predefined fact for Social Security Number to keep track of those > that I find. I have my database set so that it does not appear in Books or > WWW sites. > > I just created a web site and choose the Family Group Sheet format, needless > to say the Social Security Numbers appeared on the web site. Thankfully I > decided to check the newly created website before uploading it. > > Does this mean that when you choose to create a web site that it ignores the > fact setting for WWW site if you choose Family Group Sheet as the web site > format? > > Regards, > Brianne Kelly-Bly > bkbnj@optonline.net >

This may have been covered, and I simply just missed it. I use the predefined fact for Social Security Number to keep track of those that I find. I have my database set so that it does not appear in Books or WWW sites. I just created a web site and choose the Family Group Sheet format, needless to say the Social Security Numbers appeared on the web site. Thankfully I decided to check the newly created website before uploading it. Does this mean that when you choose to create a web site that it ignores the fact setting for WWW site if you choose Family Group Sheet as the web site format? Regards, Brianne Kelly-Bly bkbnj@optonline.net

Another alternative to the multiple CD cases is to use the thin cases. Aloha Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Al Turner [mailto:aleturner@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:53 AM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FO] Storage of backups on CD I would like to weigh in the the subject of burning backups to CD as it relates to storage, begging our illustrious list administrator's indulgence for an off topic discourse. I have always believed that the best way to protect a CD that was used frequently was by placing it in a jewel case. As my collection of data and backup CDs grew I went to two, four, and five CD cases to conserve space. I recently purchased a quantity of 2 CD cases from a well known computer store outlet and doubled up some of the singles. Later, I had occasion to use a CD from one of these jewel cases and discovered a crack in the CD extending from the hole to midway across the center of the CD and a similar crack on the opposite side. Then I examined the second CD and found cracks forming around the rim of the hole. Then I examined all of the CDs in this new batch of jewel cases and found cracks forming in about a third of the CDs. As you know, a CD is written from the inner portion out and any crack that extends from the center ring into the writing surface renders it useless to the average user. A close examination of these jewel cases revealed that the hub holding the CD in place consisted of eight molded round plastic pins about 3 millimeters in diameter and the CD was actually held in place by friction rather than the conventional spring action found in most older cases. There was no "give" whatsoever in these pins and the pressure they exerted on the CD from inside out was causing the cracking. Fortunately, I had burned CD-R backups for all these CDs, placed them in paper sleeves and stored them in a safety deposit box so there was no great loss. The lesson learned is that if it takes unusual force to seat the CD in the case be aware of what can happen. And just when you thought it was safe to go outside ..... Al ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== Searchable ARCHIVES - http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-U SERS

>>Another question, is there a way to take one family line out of F.O. 9.0 database without taking all the lines (should one want to give a line to someone)? If not on 9.0, how about F.O. 10? Thanks. I hope this makes sense. georgia draves robinhd@shawneelink.net << When you start the Gedcom export routine [floppy arrow in] icon, or <file> <gedcom> <export> after naming etc, you are given a dialog box of choices, -entire database or select people to export -notes or no notes -addresses or no addresses -correspondance log or not -to do items or not -multimedia links or not This has been pretty consistent across a number of versions. When you select you can select by various groupings and also deselect by various groupings. This is harder to explain in print than trying it out. Depending on how much you want, you might select all and then deselect as desired. >>I have Family Origins 8.0 with an upgrade to 9.0 on my desktop. I need to get the F.O. program for 9.0 to install to my laptop with floppies instead of a cd which I used to install to my desktop. Is this possible? In the past, one had an option. << A local guru (your high school will know somebody) should be able to copy the CD files to a temporary directory spot on the laptop hard drive using a cable between the desktop and the laptop and then install from the temporary location.. As long as you are going through the hassel, why not install v 10.0 or try out the new RootsMagic at the introductory bargain price. $19.95 plus an optional $10 book either way. The book is useful in my opinion. Paul Studly Cleveland/Chesterland, OH paulstudly@studly.net

>Therefore, to me at least, it seems to be a disk-spanning problem. >Whether the problem is in creating it on the desktop or in reading it >on the laptop I don't know. I tried to extract the files using WinZip >to narrow it down further but WinZip requires an Add-on to extract >disk-spanned files. My copy of Winzip handles disk-spanned files out of box, as it were, with no need for an Add-on. I think what you are seeing is simply the inherent unreliability of floppies. If there's an error for every million bytes (for example), then the more data you have the more likely you are to encounter the problem. I finally gave up on floppies and switched to zip drives when my database went to three floppies and I could not reliably backup and restore that much data to floppies. I bought all new floppies, reformatted them, etc., all to no avail. I was always suspicious that one of the floppy drives on one of my three machines I was using was faulty, but I could never find a pattern in which machine the backups were created on vs. which machine couldn't read them. I got the point of verifying the backups immediately after making them, but still I often could not read them even then. Jerry Bryan _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

>BTW, looking at the backup in WinZip showed no apparent problems. The >files appeared to be normal in filenames, number of files and size. At the point you looking at the backup in Winzip, you need to do Actions... Test from the menu bar. There's no way to do this from the Toolbar (or at least, not the way Winzip installs by default -- I don't know if you can add a Toolbar option for Actions... Test). This will verify the backup without restoring it. Jerry Bryan _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Jim Wise <jwise@wvadventures.net> wrote: >When you do a Restore it will allow you to change the name of the database >but it ignores your change thereby overwriting the original no matter what >you might try to call it. ============== Actually, restoring an FO database will NOT allow you to change the name of the database. You can change the name of the backup zipfile if you like but the name of the database is contained in the files inside the backup zipfile and you can't change them. What you CAN do is to restore the database (with the same name) to a different folder so that it does not overwrite your original database. (If you wish to keep the second copy of the database you could have FO rename it for you to avoid confusion.) ============== >I don't believe I've used PKZip since the days of DOS. :-) ========== PK, as in PKzip, you know, are the initials of the guy who originally invented zipfiles. PKZip for windows is just as up-to-date as WinZip. And it has this handy zipfile test function added to the windows right-click sub menu dialog that WinZip does not have. Wayne League

When I started to have this problem a couple years ago, I started the practice of exporting to gedcom as a backup and zipping the resulting ged file for storage. This has worked well for me. Linda --- Jerry Bryan <c24m48@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Therefore, to me at least, it seems to be a disk-spanning problem. > >Whether the problem is in creating it on the desktop or in reading > it > >on the laptop I don't know. I tried to extract the files using > WinZip > >to narrow it down further but WinZip requires an Add-on to extract > >disk-spanned files. > > My copy of Winzip handles disk-spanned files out of box, as it were, > with no > need for an Add-on. > > I think what you are seeing is simply the inherent unreliability of > floppies. If there's an error for every million bytes (for example), > then > the more data you have the more likely you are to encounter the > problem. > > I finally gave up on floppies and switched to zip drives when my > database > went to three floppies and I could not reliably backup and restore > that much > data to floppies. I bought all new floppies, reformatted them, etc., > all to > no avail. I was always suspicious that one of the floppy drives on > one of > my three machines I was using was faulty, but I could never find a > pattern > in which machine the backups were created on vs. which machine > couldn't read > them. I got the point of verifying the backups immediately after > making > them, but still I often could not read them even then. > > Jerry Bryan > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months > http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

In a message dated 1/8/2003 1:41:54 PM Mountain Standard Time, ltlundy@attbi.com writes: > I created a new database to accomplish a project for my grandson. I put his > father's people in and was attempting to gedcom in his mother's (my > daughter) when it quitting importing, locked up and I got out with Ctrl A > D. Now when I attempt to access FO I get these windows: > > The first is Error # 2 Error #83805 File is not a DataFile > database corruption detected refers to database director then when I > click OK on that window, I get this window Error # 935 Error > #94001 Null in put Parameter unexpected 44 field and when I click that > OK I get the window that says Program Error Exiting Application Close > > Is there a way to fix this? Or do I take everything off and reinstall FO > 10 and restore all my backups? I have about 8 databases on there. Mine > with about 2500 individuals and the rest are smaller ones of just a few to > 400 individuals. I have backups of everything. I have been very good > about making backups and on my own database I rotate disks for my backups. Hi Trudy, You don't need to reinstall FO. Go to your Windows folder and delete the file named FOWIN32.INI. That will let you start FO without crashing. Just don't try to reopen that corrupted database or you get to do it all over again. - Bruce <A HREF="http://www.RootsMagic.com">http://www.RootsMagic.com</A>

Do not uninstall anything yet, something in the GEDCOM import went badly and corrupted the database. Since you have the program set to open with the last used database loaded, it is trying to open that broken database every time you restart. There isn't anything wrong with the program. If you are familiar with the Windows Explorer, go to the Windows folder on your C:\ drive and delete one file, "Fowin32.INI". That will let you open FOW with no database loaded. then you can make a new database and try again to import the GEDCOM files into it, or restore a backup. Do not try to open the one that crashed you or it will probably do it again. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ===================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trudy Lundy" <ltlundy@attbi.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: [FO] Re: > Hello, > > I seem to go day after day and read this list and only post when I have a problem. Is that OK? Well, here is the problem -- this time. (I have backups of everything.) > > I created a new database to accomplish a project for my grandson. I put his father's people in and was attempting to gedcom in his mother's (my daughter) when it quitting importing, locked up and I got out with Ctrl A D. Now when I attempt to access FO I get these windows: > > The first is Error # 2 Error #83805 File is not a DataFile database corruption detected refers to database director then when I click OK on that window, I get this window Error # 935 Error #94001 Null in put Parameter unexpected 44 field and when I click that OK I get the window that says Program Error Exiting Application Close > > Is there a way to fix this? Or do I take everything off and reinstall FO 10 and restore all my backups? I have about 8 databases on there. Mine with about 2500 individuals and the rest are smaller ones of just a few to 400 individuals. I have backups of everything. I have been very good about making backups and on my own database I rotate disks for my backups. > > Any help from you good people will be appreciated. > > Regards, > > Trudy > >

Tom.... the same for me. I had to install it for my Win98, but Win2000 found it automatically. It only took about 1 minute or less to install it on Win98. Nothing to it. I plan on purchasing a 256MB next so that I can load my whole database on it. What is really great about it is that you can transport your data from one computer to another with ease. All of my relatives in LA have FO and this is the greatest way that I know of to update their files when I visit. DonWright@footprints.org Webmaster of http://footprints.org "All Incoming and Outgoing Mail is Scanned with Norton Anti-Virus" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stombaugh, Thomas" <Thomas.Stombaugh@gateway.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: RE: [FO] memory stick > Similar to that. Go out to Google, and type in pen drive. They are in fact > a "memory stick" that when plugged into a USB port, the computer sees it as > another drive. You can purchase them in 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 256MB, 512MB or > 1GB drives. > > I have one and it works great. I had to install a driver for my Windows 98 > PC, but Windows XP saw it automatically and took care of everything. My > windows 98 PC sees it as drive "F", while Windows XP sees it as drive "E". > Once it is plugged in, it is just a simple matter of copying and pasting > files from one drive to another. > > -----Original Message----- > From: georgia draves [mailto:robinhd@shawneelink.net] > Subject: [FO] memory stick > > When you say backup to a memory stick. Do you mean like "memory stick" that > I use in my Sony Digital Camera? georgia >

Correct.... I assume it is the same type. (Sony Micro Vault - 128mb) I do not have enough room to include the photos as the whole database including photos is 135mb. Too large for a ZIP100 (uncompressed), so it works great. This is not my primary backup, but used only as a copy of the latest backup. This allows me to transport it around or move it to my other computers. Just plug it in and use it the same as an extra Hard Drive. I copy the files, ready to use. DonWright@footprints.org Webmaster of http://footprints.org "All Incoming and Outgoing Mail is Scanned with Norton Anti-Virus" ----- Original Message ----- From: "georgia draves" <robinhd@shawneelink.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: [FO] memory stick > When you say backup to a memory stick. Do you mean like "memory stick" that I use in my Sony Digital Camera? georgia >

Hello, I seem to go day after day and read this list and only post when I have a problem. Is that OK? Well, here is the problem -- this time. (I have backups of everything.) I created a new database to accomplish a project for my grandson. I put his father's people in and was attempting to gedcom in his mother's (my daughter) when it quitting importing, locked up and I got out with Ctrl A D. Now when I attempt to access FO I get these windows: The first is Error # 2 Error #83805 File is not a DataFile database corruption detected refers to database director then when I click OK on that window, I get this window Error # 935 Error #94001 Null in put Parameter unexpected 44 field and when I click that OK I get the window that says Program Error Exiting Application Close Is there a way to fix this? Or do I take everything off and reinstall FO 10 and restore all my backups? I have about 8 databases on there. Mine with about 2500 individuals and the rest are smaller ones of just a few to 400 individuals. I have backups of everything. I have been very good about making backups and on my own database I rotate disks for my backups. Any help from you good people will be appreciated. Regards, Trudy

--=======3E3A420E======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5E515748; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 10:00 AM 1/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Both WinZip and PKzip will test a zipfile >for integrity ... they go through the process of unzipping the backup >but without actually extracting any of the files and will tell you if >there are any errors. Thanks for clueing me in on the Test function of WinZip. I just tried it and it showed one of those backups as BAD. I don't believe I've used PKZip since the days of DOS. :-) Jim Wise --=======3E3A420E=======--

--=======550F7539======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5E515748; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 10:00 AM 1/8/2003 -0700, you wrote: >That's exactly the same as saying that you will never save a Qucken file or >an MSWord file to your hard drive because you're afraid that you'll ruin >your FOW database. "Saving to the hard drive" has absolutely no relationship to "Restoring to FO". Saving something to the hard drive is no problem for me. > It is perfectly safe to restore a backup to check its >integrity so long as you do the restore to a different (new) database. When you do a Restore it will allow you to change the name of the database but it ignores your change thereby overwriting the original no matter what you might try to call it. Jim Wise --=======550F7539=======--

Hi, I make a GEDCOM on a CD-RW; then install it back on the computer into a file with a NEW NAME. I then proceed to add or work on this NEW file. I do not delete the old file. Eventually I will delete files that are very old. This way I am sure everything copied. Another advantage is when I do something stupid like accidentally deleting something, or a mistake when merging, I can then check the previous file for the original information. This works for me. Margaret LaGue-Hobler Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: <wleague@mindspring.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Re: verified backups > Jim Wise <jwise@wvadventures.net> wrote: > > >I have seen the mention of "verified backups" on this list several times > >and have always ignored the suggestion because the only way I know to > >verify a backup is to restore it. This is something I would NEVER do to my > >main database. Is there some other way to verify a backup? > > The most obvious way to test a backup is to restore it. But you very > definitely do not want to restore a questionable backup on top of your > main database. But as Alfred mentioned, you do not need another > computer ... you merely restore it to a different folder than the one > your real database is in. As soon as you see the database restored in > the other folder properly, and you open it and find it good, you can > delete it. > Always make the effort to be reasonably sure you have a good backup. > > But there is a more efficient way to test a backup without all that > file creating and deleting. Both WinZip and PKzip will test a zipfile > for integrity ... they go through the process of unzipping the backup > but without actually extracting any of the files and will tell you if > there are any errors. > > PKzip has an extremely handy function ... it puts the test item in the > windows right click menu. So, if you have PKzip for windows installed > on your computer and you have just made a backup of your database then > go ahead and click on the restore item and find your new backup in the > file finder dialog ... but instead of restoring it, right click on it > instead. In the sub menu that pops up you will see the PKzip test > item ... click on it and PKzip will test your backup zipfile right > there on the spot ... you don't even have to leave FO to test a backup > that way. > > Wayne League > > ______________________________

Similar to that. Go out to Google, and type in pen drive. They are in fact a "memory stick" that when plugged into a USB port, the computer sees it as another drive. You can purchase them in 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 256MB, 512MB or 1GB drives. I have one and it works great. I had to install a driver for my Windows 98 PC, but Windows XP saw it automatically and took care of everything. My windows 98 PC sees it as drive "F", while Windows XP sees it as drive "E". Once it is plugged in, it is just a simple matter of copying and pasting files from one drive to another. -----Original Message----- From: georgia draves [mailto:robinhd@shawneelink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:52 AM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FO] memory stick When you say backup to a memory stick. Do you mean like "memory stick" that I use in my Sony Digital Camera? georgia ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com

Bob, althought you've been lucky that you have not lost any data you sent to your Yahoo account, keep in mind the on line accounts do not back up user data. People have been know to loose their email when a system like yahoo, hotmail, etc have problems with their servers etc. So you should still make a backup copy you keep, somewhere. John Chapman "THESE are the times that try men's souls.." Thomas Paine 1776 Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ > > I established a free email account at YAHOO.com (6 MB free, 10 MB for >$10/yr, 25 MB for $20/yr, 50 MB for $30/yr, 100 MB fro $50/yr). Every time >I make a backup, I verify it by restoring in it my "FO Test" folder and >then send a copy to this >email account. That way, I always have an off site copy of my FO backup. >When I exceed the 6 MB limit, I just delete the oldest backup. > > I do not send any photos to YAHOO, I keep the backups of my photos on >CDs. If I were to send my photos to YAHOO, I would open a second account >called Photos and keep them in it. > > I have had YAHOO email accounts for several years and never lost any >data on any of them. > >Bob > > > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm >??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

When you say backup to a memory stick. Do you mean like "memory stick" that I use in my Sony Digital Camera? georgia

I had reason to do this at one point in time for my ex-wife. She wanted her information. I unlinked her from myself, thereby creating a separate tree. I was then able to create a GEDCOM file using her name, with all her descendants and ancestors. It seemed to do the trick. - Tom Stombaugh -----Original Message----- From: georgia draves [mailto:robinhd@shawneelink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:58 AM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FO] F.O. 9.0 I have Family Origins 8.0 with an upgrade to 9.0 on my desktop. I need to get the F.O. program for 9.0 to install to my laptop with floppies instead of a cd which I used to install to my desktop. Is this possible? In the past, one had an option. Another question, is there a way to take one family line out of F.O. 9.0 database without taking all the lines (should one want to give a line to someone)? If not on 9.0, how about F.O. 10? Thanks. I hope this makes sense. georgia draves robinhd@shawneelink.net ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/