In a message dated 1/16/2003 6:56:44 PM Mountain Standard Time, Martited@worldnet.att.net writes: > What is the URL for the RM user list???? Thank you. Marti Geare. Tucson, > AZ <A HREF="http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS.html">http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/ROOTSMAGIC-USERS.html</A> - Bruce <A HREF="http://www.RootsMagic.com">http://www.RootsMagic.com</A>

In a message dated 1/16/2003 6:49:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mscheffl@twcny.rr.com writes: > Bruce, will you continue to sell FOWIN10 on your website > as well as RootsMagic. When the current store of cds is > gone, will that be the end? No, we have to buy FO ourselves from genealogy.com to resell, and now that they've discontinued it... > Also, is Genealogy.com discontinuing all the various > genealogy programs it has the rights to. I keep reading on > various genealogy lists of how several programs have been > dropped and people are looking for a new one. On the > Allegany NY discussion a week or so back, Family Origins was > by far the most mentioned program as a replacement for those > individuals old ones. Once RootsMagic is out, we can begin > to steer people to it. If you go to genealogy.com's help page at: <A HREF="http://genealogy.com/help">http://genealogy.com/help</A> and click on the "Select your product" drop list, you will see their discontinued products. - Bruce <A HREF="http://www.RootsMagic.com">http://www.RootsMagic.com</A>

I vote to continue the Family Origins Users List. Some of us older people are on restricted/fixed incomes and cannot purchase the new RM as readily as others. We would greatly appreciate having help available which would not be the case if this site is discontinued. Thank you for the job you have been doing Alfred. I hope you will continue to help us with FOW. God Bless! Lew ><>

I've gotten a couple people to begin genealogy just in the past couple months by purchasing FOWIN10. I don't think anyone could go wrong as a beginner, especially those both new to genealogy and computers. Many people are not like some of us who look for the new version every year and continue to use one version over several times. Bruce, will you continue to sell FOWIN10 on your website as well as RootsMagic. When the current store of cds is gone, will that be the end? For awhile I plan to use both programs side by side. Also, is Genealogy.com discontinuing all the various genealogy programs it has the rights to. I keep reading on various genealogy lists of how several programs have been dropped and people are looking for a new one. On the Allegany NY discussion a week or so back, Family Origins was by far the most mentioned program as a replacement for those individuals old ones. Once RootsMagic is out, we can begin to steer people to it. Margaret Scheffler

Hi, As a veteran, I use the stock 'Military' fact but to keep from messing up my place file, I just put the inclusive dates in for service. Then in the fact notes, I have input my specific duty station. It reads ____ served in the military between 1951 and 1961. (I may have altered the wording to read 'served in the military') My notes are: 3 Dec 1951 Enlisted and was sworn in at the 7th Street Armory, Louisville Ky. Issued service number xxx-xx-xx.. 3 Dec 1951 Moved on troop train to Great Lakes, IL for basic training. Spring 1952 Moved via troop train to Little Creek, VA, awaiting orders to an amphib ship. Apr 1952 Assigned to USS Thuban(AKA-19), homeport Norfolk, VA Summer 1953 Cruised to Japan to transfer the 2nd Marines to Korea Summer 1955 Cruised to Artic Circle for SUNEC II-55. DEW line resupply. Apr 1956 Assigned to shore duty @ SFC Annapolis MD Apr 1958 Assigned Class C Engineman school in Great Lakes, IL May 1958 Assigned to Basic Submarine School in New London, CT Jun 1958 Assigned to USS Entemedor (SS340), Homeport New London, CT Jan 23 1961 Discharged from USN, at Philadelphia Navy Yard, Phila, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne" <yvonne@monmouth.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 19:23 Subject: [FO] Military Service Fact : I was wondering how FO users inter the Military Service information. I : can't seem to get the wording to come out right. : Yvonne : : : ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== : PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space. :

I was wondering how FO users inter the Military Service information. I can't seem to get the wording to come out right. Yvonne

Jesse, That varies by FTP program, and to be honest with you, I had to get some help myself to do the initial setup, but the only hard part is just that. Once installed and set up, the rest is simple. Specific instructions, though, will vary from one software or another and there is no way I can give you a general answer that will fit. David E. Cann decann@infi.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Davis [mailto:jes44pat@msn.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:03 PM > To: decann@infi.net; FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FO] Roots Magic WebSite > > > Once we have created the website and have an ftp program, what > are the steps > to upload it to or link it to another site? For instance, a page at > Freepages or Geocities. > J Davis > <clip>

Bruce We know that no other commercially available program has the support of the developer like FOwin has had. We look forward to using the new and improved program Roots Magic. Personally I feel certain that your personal support and answering of users questions will continue. Keep up the good work. We are with you. Earnie Breeding Loyal User of FO since ver 2.0 ----- Original Message ----- From: <FormalSoft@aol.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: [FO] A favor, and thanks I received an email from Genealogy.com (directed to registered Family Origins users) stating that their support for Family Origins will end June 30, 2003 (they already list Family Origins as discontinued on their website). They then continue by asking the Family Origins user to switch over to Family Tree Maker. We (FormalSoft) cannot do the same thing with RootsMagic (even though we wrote Family Origins), since we do not have access to the list of registered Family Origins users (which was passed from Parsons Technology to Genealogy.com). So I am asking a favor <enter grovel mode>... If you ever recommended Family Origins to a friend or relative, or if you know someone else who is using Family Origins (like in a genealogy society or club), we would be grateful if you would mention to them that the Family Origins developers have written a new program called RootsMagic, and that they might want to take a look at it before switching to another program. < exit grovel mode> And finally, I would like to express my personal appreciation for all the great Family Origins users who have been so loyal and made it such a pleasure working on Family Origins these past 12 years (over a quarter of my life). I don't know most of you personally, but the contact we have had over the years on this list and through emails make me feel like I do. But be assured, we aren't going anywhere. We will strive to make RootsMagic every bit as friendly and powerful as Family Origins (and more). - Bruce <A HREF="http://www.RootsMagic.com">http://www.RootsMagic.com</A> ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space.

When creating a web page you also generate a very large Gendex file. Can you delete this file without harming anything or dose it have a specific use? Ron Colby

What is the URL for the RM user list???? Thank you. Marti Geare. Tucson, AZ

I just posted my order for 3 copies of RootsMagic v1.0. I assume there'll soon be an upgrade as Bruce fine-tunes his new baby. Any idea when that will come and what the upgrade cost will be? ================== Blaine Nay, NL7EL www.nay.org/buffalo.htm blaine@nay.org ================== <A HREF="http://www.callatn.com/cgi-bin/atnform.pl?account=30734&sendto=atn@nay.org">Click here to save on your long-distance phone bill, to get a low-cost calling card, or to get your own low-cost toll-free phone number.</A>

The BOSS has been pretty strict (thankfully so) on off-topics. Seems like FO is off-topic on RM and RM is off-topic on FO. Two subjects, two lists. Sincerely, Mike Peterson ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrmahan" <jrmahan@worldnet.att.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 I would add, 30 days from 1 March. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://wc.rootsweb.com/~jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "WE WILL NOT WAIVER, WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER; --- AND WE WILL NOT FAIL. PEACE AND FREEDOM WILL PREVAIL." --- --- President GEORGE W. BUSH --- "ALL INCOMING AND OUTGOING E-MAIL IS SCANNED WITH NORTON ANTI-VIRUS" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Norris" <grnorris@iquest.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:04 PM Subject: RE: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > Let them run parallel for 30 days and then separate the lists. I'll > personally unsubscribe to the FO 10 mailing list once I'm sure RM is > installed and working. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alfred Eller [mailto:adeller@santel.net] > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:37 PM > To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > > I think that this mailing list will be around for quite some time. > > As long as there is enough interest to keep it active. > > There is one little problem though. There have been an quite a few FOW > questions on the RM list. If that persists, the FOW users won't be in > on all of the discussion unless they are on both lists. > > Should I tell the FOW posters on the RM list to go back to where they > belong? Or, should I let the two lists run parallel to each other? > > > Alfred D. Eller > Family-Origins-Users-admin@RootsWeb.com > FOW fact diagnostic tool, using Excel Spreadsheet > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/FOFacts.htm > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Dianesowden@aol.com> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:23 PM > Subject: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > > > > Will we still be able to get support of this list, when FO10 is > discontinued > > does anybody think? > > > > Diane Sowden > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to > a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to > your reply. > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. > > ______________________________

I received the following in my emails today from Genealogy.com: Special Offer: Stay in Our Family As a Family Origins owner, you need to know of some changes. We have been licensing Family Origins technology from an outside developer who has chosen not to develop a new version of this product. Because of this decision, we regret that we will be unable to continue support of Family Origins products. Support for your Family Origins product will end June 30, 2003. Because we would like to keep you in the Genealogy.com family, we're offering you a special opportunity to stay with a product that will continue to be supported. To help make this transition easier, we would like to offer you Family Tree Maker 10 with a free video (a $14.99 value) that will make learning the features and benefits of this new software easy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Wells" <dwells@chisp.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: [FO] User Lists Question > Here are my observations of the subject. > > 1. I think the FOW list should be gatewayed to the RM list. The bulk of the > RM list members are experienced FOW users. This will benefit straggerlers > on FOW, new members who were sold FOW, and promote upgrades to RM. > > 2. Answers for FOW issues on the RM list should be automatically directed to > both lists. > > 3. Conceptually, RM v1 is the logical path from FOW v10. This change will > probably be less severe than the changes when FOW 4 went to the redesigned > FOW 5. To most users RM v1 = FOW v11, even though this is not the real > case. > > 4. At some point in the near future, the FOW list should become an alias for > the RM list > > Dick > > > > > There is one little problem though. There have been an quite a few FOW > > questions on the RM list. If that persists, the FOW users won't be in > > on all of the discussion unless they are on both lists. > > > > Should I tell the FOW posters on the RM list to go back to where they > > belong? Or, should I let the two lists run parallel to each other? > > ______________________________

I received an email from Genealogy.com (directed to registered Family Origins users) stating that their support for Family Origins will end June 30, 2003 (they already list Family Origins as discontinued on their website). They then continue by asking the Family Origins user to switch over to Family Tree Maker. We (FormalSoft) cannot do the same thing with RootsMagic (even though we wrote Family Origins), since we do not have access to the list of registered Family Origins users (which was passed from Parsons Technology to Genealogy.com). So I am asking a favor <enter grovel mode>... If you ever recommended Family Origins to a friend or relative, or if you know someone else who is using Family Origins (like in a genealogy society or club), we would be grateful if you would mention to them that the Family Origins developers have written a new program called RootsMagic, and that they might want to take a look at it before switching to another program. < exit grovel mode> And finally, I would like to express my personal appreciation for all the great Family Origins users who have been so loyal and made it such a pleasure working on Family Origins these past 12 years (over a quarter of my life). I don't know most of you personally, but the contact we have had over the years on this list and through emails make me feel like I do. But be assured, we aren't going anywhere. We will strive to make RootsMagic every bit as friendly and powerful as Family Origins (and more). - Bruce <A HREF="http://www.RootsMagic.com">http://www.RootsMagic.com</A>

At 03:09 PM 1/16/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Unless there is a contrary reason, I guess I would pick a date (soon) >and merge the lists. There is one very good contrary reason. Rootsweb does not merge lists. It has been asked for by many list administrators over the years and is always denied. In my opinion, let the FO list stay the way it is. There will always be users of FO. I know several people who at this point in time do not plan to change to RM. They are very happy with FO. This list is then a place for these people to get help. We just need to get to a point that FO questions are posted to only this list and RM questions are posted to only that list. Once we have RM in hand, I am sure we will all be full of questions and the RM list will then get to the business of RM :) Personally, I plan on staying on both lists. I often help out the above mentioned friends with FO, so it will be worth my while to stay. Rene'

I think you may jumping the gun a little. Let's assume the RM will follow closely the upgrade path that FOW did for so many years, annual upgrades. Pricing should be similar also, but that is only speculation. The upgrade process has been discussed before and goes something like this: 1st Quarter - Support for new release, preliminary planning for the next release, and some R&R time. 2nd Quarter - Finalize major details and features for the next release, and initial coding. 3rd Quarter - Finish coding and start in-house testing, and addition of some minor enhancements. Beta testing may start also. 4th Quarter - Beta testing, final coding, updates to book, and production of the released product. If time permits, some R&R. At this time, some items have already been planned for v2 because of the time constraints for the initial release. Only a few of them have been specifically mentioned in the user list. I personally have not had the opportunity to try RM and only know what has been discussed on the lists and what is on the Web site. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <NayBlaine@cs.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:44 PM Subject: re: [FO] A favor, and thanks > I just posted my order for 3 copies of RootsMagic v1.0. > > I assume there'll soon be an upgrade as Bruce fine-tunes his new baby. Any > idea when that will come and what the upgrade cost will be? > > ================== > Blaine Nay, NL7EL > www.nay.org/buffalo.htm > blaine@nay.org

Now, that's interesting. The last two or three years I have purchased direftly from formalsoft, but I certainly should be on any old lists Parsons had. We bought from them starting in the early 1990's. Not that I am complaining about missing this important Family Tree Maker promo <grin> but I will guess their mail went to an old, defunct email address. I think their lists for FO might not be quite as helpful as they think if they date back to the Parsons era. Bruce, consider the favor done - and we have definitely recommended the program to friends and family over the years. Linda Scheimann --- FormalSoft@aol.com wrote: > I received an email from Genealogy.com (directed to registered Family > Origins > users) stating that their support for Family Origins will end June > 30, 2003 > (they already list Family Origins as discontinued on their website). > > They then continue by asking the Family Origins user to switch over > to Family > Tree Maker. > > We (FormalSoft) cannot do the same thing with RootsMagic (even though > we > wrote Family Origins), since we do not have access to the list of > registered > Family Origins users (which was passed from Parsons Technology to > Genealogy.com). > > So I am asking a favor <enter grovel mode>... > > If you ever recommended Family Origins to a friend or relative, or if > you > know someone else who is using Family Origins (like in a genealogy > society or > club), we would be grateful if you would mention to them that the > Family > Origins developers have written a new program called RootsMagic, and > that > they might want to take a look at it before switching to another > program. < > exit grovel mode> > > And finally, I would like to express my personal appreciation for all > the > great Family Origins users who have been so loyal and made it such a > pleasure > working on Family Origins these past 12 years (over a quarter of my > life). I > don't know most of you personally, but the contact we have had over > the years > on this list and through emails make me feel like I do. > > But be assured, we aren't going anywhere. We will strive to make > RootsMagic > every bit as friendly and powerful as Family Origins (and more). > > - Bruce > <A HREF="http://www.RootsMagic.com">http://www.RootsMagic.com</A> > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All > messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable > space. > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "jrmahan" <jrmahan@worldnet.att.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > If one posts to RM list how is it sent to the FO list, and Visa-Versa, or is > Alfred that good.!! :-) > > HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! > > Jim Mahan > No, the messages go to the list which they are sent to only. The name of the list contains the name of the program it is supposed to support. I do not have the time to monitor both lists and direct the mail to the proper list. Once You get your hands on a copy of the RootsMagic software, and start asking questions about it, it would get quite confusing trying to figure out which program you are asking about, if we were to use the same list for both. Answering questions on the Family Origins list is already bad enough when there are so many versions still in use and many questions do not mention the version number. I think that after the users who want to use RootsMagic get their copy and start using it, the FOW questions on the RootsMagic list will no longer be an issue. Those that want to stick with FOW will stay here on the FOW list and those that move to RM will probably unsubscribe. By the way, I have seen RootsMagic, and it is Magnificent! Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ =====================================

My two cents: I believe both lists, FOW and RootsMagic, should continue as separate and individual lists. Many will continue to use FOW, even if they also purchase and use RM. Then some will continue to use FOW exclusively, and some will use both programs. To me it would be mixing Apples & Oranges. I vote to keep the lists unique to the programs. Alfred Eller wrote, in part: >Should I tell the FOW posters on the RM list to go back to where they belong Yes. Larry [User Since V.4.0] --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 1/11/03

Whenever I attempt to cite a source I get the following codebase error message. Error#: 70 Error#: 91102 Reading File dfile4...[] Mustills (this is the name of the file I'm using) I've already reinstalled the program and it obviously hasn't solved the problem. Help! Thanks Bob Keener