Thanks a million Dick.... what a fantastic idea.... My mind is a blur, thinking of all the additional uses for the program. It is wild. Why didn't someone bring this up years ago......... Wow!!! DonWright@footprints.org Webmaster of http://footprints.org "All Incoming and Outgoing Mail is Scanned with Norton Anti-Virus" > Create a separate database called Places. Enter the location either as a > unlinked name, or build a logical tree from country, state, county, and > city. > For each entry, create various facts such as GPS (coordinates), History, > Maps, Churchs, Hospitals, Cemeterys, etc. Use the Notes for details, and > the Multimedia for pictures. > Be creative and who knows how many ways you can use your FOW/RM product. > Dick

At 06:22 PM 1/16/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Family Tree Maker 10 with a free video (a $14.99 value) that will make >learning the features and benefits of this new software easy. In my opinion, if you need a video to learn this software, it ain't gonna be easy! I like the fact that I don't need any "extras" to learn FO. I was on my 4th version before I ever got the book and it was for reference only. Love ya Bruce :) René ....Waiting patiently for RM

Here is a solution that provides a some what open ended method of handling your needs. It does not incorporate it directly as you desire, but does provide many optional expansions. Create a separate database called Places. Enter the location either as a unlinked name, or build a logical tree from country, state, county, and city. For each entry, create various facts such as GPS (coordinates), History, Maps, Churchs, Hospitals, Cemeterys, etc. Use the Notes for details, and the Multimedia for pictures. I have two similar databases I created several years ago. One is for General Genealogy Information, and the other for Maps. The General database contains all types of misc genealogy stuff like Cousins (1st, 2nd, removed, etc), Royality and Titles, Naming Conventions, etc. I also keep some technical information there such as how to create a self-starting CD for the generated Web Pages and how to upload a Web Page to different places. I even put my login info there for maintaining the site. The Map database is similar where it starts with the Continents, then Country, State, County, and City or Town. The facts are for which year or time period the map represents. Actual maps are linked to the facts using the Multimedia function. Be creative and who knows how many ways you can use your FOW/RM product. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <Beldin4@aol.com> To: <ROOTSMAGIC-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:32 PM Subject: [RMagic] Place List > Hi, > Where does one put the longitude and lattitude for a place? In FO 10, > in the Place List, I did not see anywhere to enter that info. Is there a > place in RM? > Also, I was able to save copies of maps of the places which correspond > to my Place List. Yet, again, I did not find anywhere to attach a file to a > place so that it could be referenced. Is this going to be available in RM? > Or, is this just a silly request? > > Margie in Washington State > > > ==== ROOTSMAGIC-USERS Mailing List ==== > To UnSubscribe, Send email to: rootsmagic-users-L-request@rootsweb.com , subject, "unsubscribe", with only the command "Unsubscribe" in the body. (Erase your signature.) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The only incompatibility that I know of is that FOW 7 (version 8 too) does not understand the Win NT file system, which I understand that NT, 2000 and XP use, well enough to output a GEDCOM (and maybe a backup, I am not sure) to a disk, or partition, larger than 2 GB. As a work around, you can partition the disk so that one partition is less than 2 GB, then send the output there, or you can output to a removable drive, even a write-able CD, then copy it back to the hard drive, if you want to. But, at the $19.95 introductory price for RootsMagic, that may be the easiest and quickest, way to go. I wouldn't stop at FOW 10. Bruce might even negotiate a group rate for your group, but that is completely up to him. I would think that the Unique Individual Numbers that RM (and FOW10) use would make merging data so much simpler that it would be worth the cost for that one feature alone. Check it out at: http://www.rootsmagic.com/ Alfred D. Eller Family-Origins-Users-admin@RootsWeb.com FOW fact diagnostic tool, using Excel Spreadsheet http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/FOFacts.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Studebaker" <sandra.sfna@highstream.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:43 PM Subject: [FO] FOWin7 > Knowledgeable Ones, > > I need to know if Family Origins 7 runs on all Windows operating systems > extant today? > > A while back (1999?), the Studebaker Family Association purchased 10 copies > of FOWin7 (and accompanying book) for use by a distributed network of data > entry volunteers in a long-term project. We are about mid-way through the > third year and, at the rate we're going, it may take another four or five at > best. I need to know if version 7 will be a viable option as data entry > volunteers possibly upgrade their systems, or new volunteers come on-board > with later versions of Windows. As far as I know, most folks, including me, > are currently using Windows 98. > > With FOWin10 being the last version, does the Association need to upgrade > to version 10 because of incompatibility problems down the road? > Financially, we would rather not. For simple data entry, the data entry > folks don't need most of the features of 7, let alone 10. They Gedcom their > efforts to me to import into the master database. As keeper of the master > database, I have all later versions of FO, including 10, and will be > ordering RootsMagic to explore its features in terms of the project--as well > as my own personal use. > > In response to Bruce--several of our data entry cousins liked Family Origins > so well over what they had been using that they purchased a personal copy of > the latest version of FO. And, as a devoted follower, I will continue to > recommend everything coming out of FormalSoft. > > Many thanks for the support of the List members and to our benevolent > dictator--Alfred! > > Sincerely, > SAS >

Knowledgeable Ones, I need to know if Family Origins 7 runs on all Windows operating systems extant today? A while back (1999?), the Studebaker Family Association purchased 10 copies of FOWin7 (and accompanying book) for use by a distributed network of data entry volunteers in a long-term project. We are about mid-way through the third year and, at the rate we're going, it may take another four or five at best. I need to know if version 7 will be a viable option as data entry volunteers possibly upgrade their systems, or new volunteers come on-board with later versions of Windows. As far as I know, most folks, including me, are currently using Windows 98. With FOWin10 being the last version, does the Association need to upgrade to version 10 because of incompatibility problems down the road? Financially, we would rather not. For simple data entry, the data entry folks don't need most of the features of 7, let alone 10. They Gedcom their efforts to me to import into the master database. As keeper of the master database, I have all later versions of FO, including 10, and will be ordering RootsMagic to explore its features in terms of the project--as well as my own personal use. In response to Bruce--several of our data entry cousins liked Family Origins so well over what they had been using that they purchased a personal copy of the latest version of FO. And, as a devoted follower, I will continue to recommend everything coming out of FormalSoft. Many thanks for the support of the List members and to our benevolent dictator--Alfred! Sincerely, SAS

When I got this same letter, I wrote them back and told them I had already ordered some great new software, RootsMagic. J Harold Williams wrote: > I received the following in my emails today from Genealogy.com: > > Special Offer: Stay in Our Family > As a Family Origins owner, you need to know of some changes. We have been > licensing Family Origins technology from an outside developer who has chosen > not to develop a new version of this product. Because of this decision, we > regret that we will be unable to continue support of Family Origins > products. Support for your Family Origins product > will end June 30, 2003. > > Because we would like to keep you in the Genealogy.com family, we're > offering you a special opportunity to stay with a product that will continue > to be supported. To help make this transition easier, we would like to offer > you Family Tree Maker 10 with a free video (a $14.99 value) that will make > learning the features and benefits of this new software easy. -- Joyce Ragels Tucson Arizona USA He who would pursue revenge should first dig two graves.

FO was the best genealogy program up until RootsMagic. I saw it demoed last Saturday. Once you see RootsMagic, you will drop FO. RootsMagic is similar to FO but "new and improved". I can say that with 100% confidence that I am right. Trying to keep FO and RootsMagic both updated/synchronized will just waste time. Make a couple back-ups of your FO files, just to be safe, and then GEDCOM over to RootsMagic and believe me you will not look back or wish you were on FO. I too have introduced two people to genealogy this month. I showed them FO on my PC. I recommended that they order RootsMagic now. Why spend money on version 10 FO when RootsMagic will be in our mailboxes soon. Carole Buskin cfbuskin@srpnet.com -----Original Message----- From: MScheffler [mailto:mscheffl@twcny.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:49 PM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FO] A favor, and thanks I've gotten a couple people to begin genealogy just in the past couple months by purchasing FOWIN10. I don't think anyone could go wrong as a beginner, especially those both new to genealogy and computers. Many people are not like some of us who look for the new version every year and continue to use one version over several times. <snip> For awhile I plan to use both programs side by side. <snip> Margaret Scheffler ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/

Anne, I couldn't have said it better myself. I used to have a text file stored for pasting in to answer this question, but when I went to get the file, I found it was based on WP5.1 DOS. Whew! Anyway, I would add ONE THING. Spend some time, BEFORE making your index, checking indentations throughout the entire document. Unexpected hard returns in your source citations and notes can destroy your format right in the middle of a page. Easy to fix, of course, with a perfectly placed F7, but if there are several of these, they will affect your pagination. IF YOU HAVE a problem with hanging indents in your index (surname prints in the left margain) after you generate it, simply search and replace for the style code, removing the style code completely. Should line up nicely. Also, if you have long names which won't fit across your nicely formatted newspaper columns, you will want to force some hard returns in the index to put the given names on another line. I guess that was TWO more things. Heh. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ackruszka@wmconnect.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 PM Subject: [FO] Generating an index in WordPerfect > Carol S. of the Irish Hills, MI and I sat down today at our mutual volunteer > site today and figured out how to generate an index in WordPerfect. > > 1. Generate a Rich Text Format (rtf) in FO. > 2. Open it in WP. > 3. Go to the very end of the report AFTER the word "Index" > 4. In WP click on Tools - Reference - Index > 5. Define your index > 6. Generate the index > > After you've done this your index will probably be in a large font. Before > your first entry, click on the font size you want. Then to put in columns do > the following: > > 1. Click on Format > 2. Columns > 3. choose number of columns. > 4. Click ok. > > Anne K. > Livonia, MI > > > > > Anne (Percival) Kruszka > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ > >

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Parallel, temporarily... (six months or so) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Eller" <adeller@santel.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > I think that this mailing list will be around for quite some time. > > As long as there is enough interest to keep it active. > > There is one little problem though. There have been an quite a few FOW > questions on the RM list. If that persists, the FOW users won't be in > on all of the discussion unless they are on both lists. > > Should I tell the FOW posters on the RM list to go back to where they > belong? Or, should I let the two lists run parallel to each other? > > > Alfred D. Eller > Family-Origins-Users-admin@RootsWeb.com > FOW fact diagnostic tool, using Excel Spreadsheet > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/FOFacts.htm > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Dianesowden@aol.com> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:23 PM > Subject: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > > > > Will we still be able to get support of this list, when FO10 is > discontinued > > does anybody think? > > > > Diane Sowden > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. >

You will gedcom your database into RM - weeks of previous discussions on this -- see the RM Archives. Anne (Percival) Kruszka Researching Bowman, Carter, Chinn, Kettler, Kirtley, Klijewski, Knost, Kruszka, Maitland, Meyer, Oliphant, Percival, Synos, Webb, Zalot, & Zimmeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob hampton" <bobha31@mchsi.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [FO] FO TO FTM 10 - NO! > Hi; > Does this mean that Family Origins 10.0 which i have > will have to be transfered over to RootsMagic to continue > working. > thank you > bobh > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm >

Hi; Does this mean that Family Origins 10.0 which i have will have to be transfered over to RootsMagic to continue working. thank you bobh

Bob No, If you prefer to remain with FO version 10 for the time being, you won't have to do anything. FO10 is a good program. You can also stay on this list and get the same great help you have in the past. You can wait to get RootsMagic later. Be aware that if you don't take advantage of RootsMagic now, you will not be able to purchase it at the low introductory price. :) J bob hampton wrote: > Hi; > Does this mean that Family Origins 10.0 which i have > will have to be transfered over to RootsMagic to continue > working. > thank you > bobh -- Joyce Ragels Tucson Arizona USA A neurotic builds castles in the air. A psychotic lives in castles in the air. And a psychiatrist is the guy who collects the rent.

Just received an e-mail regarding the end of Family Origins. Very Sad about this. Now they want you to get Family Treemaker 10 - I bought FTM 8 - never could print out a pedigree chart of 4 to 5 generations on ONE PAGE as in FO - therefore went to FO. So Why would I want FTM 10??? VERY DISAPPOINTED.

Don't be disappointed, RootsMagic is about to hit the mailboxes and at the current, introductory price it is about the same price as the FOW upgrades were. Although it is a new program from the ground up, it still has Bruce's personality stamped on it. Check it out at: http://www.rootsmagic.com/ One difference is, that you will be ordering directly from FormalSoft, rather than through Genealogy.com. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ===================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bbarbbsl@wmconnect.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:51 PM Subject: [FO] FO TO FTM 10 - NO! > Just received an e-mail regarding the end of Family Origins. Very Sad about > this. > > Now they want you to get Family Treemaker 10 - I bought FTM 8 - never could > print out a pedigree chart of 4 to 5 generations on ONE PAGE as in FO - > therefore went to FO. > > So Why would I want FTM 10??? > VERY DISAPPOINTED. >

I have read the posts on the subject of one or two lists. Since my opinion counts more heavily than yours, since quite a few of you want two lists, and since I am the list dictator of both lists, I am going to keep both lists going for the foreseeable future. The list name tells us what program they are about. Since the RootsMagic Users list is populated with frustrated Family Origins fans waiting for a new toy, I will allow a few FOW posts on the RM list for a while. I am inclined to believe that those posts will become quite rare after the subscribers receive their CD with the RM label. The Family Origins list will remain viable as long as there are subscribers asking FOW related questions and other subscribers who will answer them. There will be no need to post RM questions on the FOW list or FOW questions on the RM list, because the people that know the answers, and are willing to answer the questions will be on the appropriate list. Some of us will remain on both lists, just to help people out as best we can. I do not like the idea of cross posting to both lists. Most of the RootsMagic users are not interested in old FOW problems. If they are, they will be on the FOW list anyway. Try to keep program related posts on the appropriate list. Except for this message, which I will be posting to both lists <};-) Alfred D. Eller Family-Origins-Users-admin@RootsWeb.com RootsMagic-Users-admin@RootsWeb.com FOW fact diagnostic tool, using Excel Spreadsheet http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/FOFacts.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------

I think answering RM questions on the FOW list and vice versa will get confusing. I will continue to subscribe to both for the forseeable future in order to help where I can but I expect my primary genealogy database to be RM and will be keenly interested in that discussion. Good Hunting! -- Paul aka Graveseeker on Geocaching.com where YOU are the search engine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Eller" <adeller@santel.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > I think that this mailing list will be around for quite some time. > > As long as there is enough interest to keep it active. > > There is one little problem though. There have been an quite a few FOW > questions on the RM list. If that persists, the FOW users won't be in > on all of the discussion unless they are on both lists. > > Should I tell the FOW posters on the RM list to go back to where they > belong? Or, should I let the two lists run parallel to each other?

Hi David, From the Menu Bar, Lists/Source Manager, Click on the Source you want, then the Print Source button. Ray At 10:47 AM 16/01/2003 +0000, you wrote: >In preparation for Rootsmagic I am examining my SOURCES and I would like >to know if there is there a way to obtain a list of SOURCE USAGE as you >can for Fact Usuage? > >David > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no >additional text to: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com Ray Hayes Hobart, Tasmania, Australia Researching HAYES, NORTON, CLAY, DEACON, DELVE, SIDNEY, McCLURE, THORNE, ROARK, BOLTON, KAINE, & REDMORE

Upgrades when ordered direct from www.FormalSoft.com (the software author's own site) have been only $19.95. A bit more than $10, but not enough to break anyone. Paul Studly Cleveland/Chesterland, OH paulstudly@studly.net -----Original Message----- From: KevinHopkinsSmith@compuserve.com [mailto:KevinHopkinsSmith@compuserve.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:53 PM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FO] FO 10; available for cheap? I'm using FO9 which I purchased for something like $10 when it was about to be supplanted by FO10. Although RM looks like the right move, I think I should upgrade to FO10 first in case there are problems in the early stages of RM. Is FO10 likely to become available now for something like $10? Where? ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to FormalSoft@aol.com for ordering information.

I enter something like Fact "Military" Dates "Bet 1958 and 1985" Name Place "U. S. Navy". Then add a fact note such as the onw for myself that reads, "Earnie was an enlisted man in the Navy from Oct 1958 through Sept 1959, when he was released from active duty to return to college at the University of Michigan. Upon graduation in February 1963 he was commisioned an Ensign, Supply Corps. He served on Active duty for almost ten years, being released in April 1972 as a lieutenant. He remained in the reserves until 1985 and retired as a Commander. IN 1999 he started drawing retired pay from the Navy on his 60th birthday." Earnie Breeding ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne" <yvonne@monmouth.com> To: <> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: [FO] Military Service Fact I was wondering how FO users inter the Military Service information. I can't seem to get the wording to come out right. Yvonne ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space.