I just installed FOWIN7 on a Windows XP computer with a 60 gig hard drive. A small portion of the HD has the restore features leaving about 53 gig on the C:\ partition. 1) I created backup files and gedcoms. One can backup a large file to a subdirectory on C:\ , wipe out the database, and do a restore from the hard drive back to the program on C:\. 2) I created a gedcom file of the 63,000 name database and saved it on an external zip drive. I was then able to import it to a new database on the C:\ drive. 3) I exported a small gedcom file to the A:\ drive and was able to import it to a database on C:\ 4) The one thing I COULD NOT do was create a gedcom file on the hard drive. There I got the disk full error message. I am assuming this would happen on a Windows 98 with a large hard drive as well as the XP operating system. My impression is that Sandra can continue to use FOWIN7 for her project even if people need to upgrade their computers that have large hard drives and use Windows XP. That assumes that the gedcom files are small enough to be saved to a floppy disk; or that if there are larger files, they can be saved to zip disks, or perhaps a cd (I did not test that possibility). I also did not test a multiple floppy disk backup or gedcom. Perhaps someone can check the book to see if version 7 supported multidisk backups and gedcom files. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Studebaker" <sandra.sfna@highstream.net> > I need to know if Family Origins 7 runs on all Windows operating systems extant today? > > A while back (1999?), the Studebaker Family Association purchased 10 copies of FOWin7 (and accompanying book) for use by a distributed network of data entry volunteers in a long-term project. We are about mid-way through the third year and, at the rate we're going, it may take another four or five at best. I need to know if version 7 will be a viable option as data entry volunteers possibly upgrade their systems, or new volunteers come on-board with later versions of Windows. As far as I know, most folks, including me, are currently using Windows 98. > > With FOWin10 being the last version, does the Association need to upgrade to version 10 because of incompatibility problems down the road? Financially, we would rather not. For simple data entry, the data entry folks don't need most of the features of 7, let alone 10. They Gedcom their efforts to me to import into the master database. As keeper of the master database, I have all later versions of FO, including 10, and will be ordering RootsMagic to explore its features in terms of the project--as well as my own personal use....

Hi Trevor, Bruce will be selling RM, NOT Genealogy.com. So should not everyone be able to buy directly from him, including distributors who need copies in bulk? Margaret Scheffler

I started with a very early windows version of FO and after a while tired FTM. I've stayed with FO for a number of reasons such as ease of input and minimual need for a manual. Being a programmer at one time, I feel that a program should not be so complex that you need to use the manual to do everything! The program should be intuitive and the help screens should provided the majority of the help you need. I found that when beginning to use FTM I constantly needed to refer to the manual. I did not have this with FO and have stayed with it, upgrading everything Bruce came out with a new program. I must go back to last least version 4. I've had difficulty importing gedcom's into FTM, not only from FO, but other programs as well. Even the latest version of FTM has given me headaches importing. It seems not to like a lot of the data and if you have dates and they are not in the exact format FTM wants, it kicks them out. For instance. I have 3 possible years of birth for a particular relative. In FO I can say born 1819, 1820 or 1824. FTM kicks this out. However, I do keep a version because I do prefer (I hate to say this) their descendant chart over FO. I like the first person being centered at the top of the page and then spreading out. In fact, currently if I try and do a descendant chart of my direct line, it cannot. It's too large. FTM can produce it. FTM usually takes less paper, and has the ability to align the data so that the boxes do not overlap pages and thus is easier to paste together. However, THAT IS THE ONLY reason I keep a version of FTM around. Hopefully Bruce will have incorporate that feature when he adds charts to RM. I've only suggest FO, now RM, to anyone who has asked me what program to use. To me FO/RM is the way to go for ease of use, and VERY IMPORTANTLY, very good support, when needed, provided here by all the knowledgeable users AND Bruce! I get a warm comfortable feeling here that I never got with anyone that owned FTM. Just my 2 cents. John Chapman "THESE are the times that try men's souls.." Thomas Paine 1776 Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ >From: "The Clark's" <fsea@look.ca> > > > > I am quite knew to this LIST but not knew to genealogy. At present I > > have close to 2000 names and 430 marriages with numerous photos and > > notes in my Family Tree Maker version 10 data base. > > > > Since I joined this LIST I have heard positive comments related to FOW10 > > as well as the Rootsmagic software. > > > > I have exported my FTM data to the FO V3, (for a trail run) which I have > > had previously to adopting the FTM 10. Thus I am not totally strange to > > the FO software. > > > > Is there anyone out there that has experience with the FTM as well as > > the FOW10 that can give any advice on the benefits of FOW over FTM? Any > > comments will be appreciated. > > > > Fred > > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

----- Original Message ----- From: "jrmahan" <jrmahan@worldnet.att.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Relationship Chart > My Dads Father is also my Grand Uncle on my Mother's Side. In other words, your parents are first cousins. JSG

From the FO list you will likely not get very many positive comments about FTM, as most of us have tried it over time and have found it inferior to FO in most instances. If you do want to compare feature for feature, a reasonable comparison in my opinion would be to compare the latest version of each or compare the new RootsMagic to FTM version 10. You would not want to compare version 3 of FO as that was a version from 8 or 9 years ago, and there have been so many enhancements and changes since the time it came out. If I were you, I would buy the new RootsMagic program which is currently selling for an introductory price of $19.95. Although it is a new program with new code, to we FO users, it looks and feels much the same as our beloved version 10 of FO with added features that users have been asking for. I have not used the later versions of FTM, but when I did try using the program in the past, I found gedcom imports and exports difficult to remember and hard to explain to anyone else. FTM did not handle sources very well. I did not like its charts, books and lists as well as those in FO. Overall, I found FO a much easier program to teach to people new to computers and to genealogy. Yet it has always had features that met the needs of experienced and serious researchers. I do keep a copy of FTMs free demo program (Family Archive Viewer) or an older FTM version on my computer to read the historical cds I have purchased from Broderbund/Genealogy.com. I have found some of their cds containing standard family genealogies useful. However, I don't think the company makes it entirely clear in their promotions that one does not have to use FTM to use these cds. I personally do not like the fact that Genealogy.com has acquired the publishing rights to a number of genealogy programs though buying out other companies, and is gradually doing away with most everything except FTM. I also don't like their practice of encouraging new people to share their unproved information on those cds they sell, as once the information is pressed to cds, it is in the public domain literally forever. Information shared online can at least be removed from sites and replaced when mistakes are discovered. As an added positive for FO and RootsMagic, Bruce has always participated in the users list for FO and I'm sure he will for RootsMagic as well. How many computer programs do we all use where we have first hand access to the person who wrote the program? Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Clark's" <fsea@look.ca> > I am quite knew to this LIST but not knew to genealogy. At present I have close to 2000 names and 430 marriages with numerous photos and notes in my Family Tree Maker version 10 data base. > > Since I joined this LIST I have heard positive comments related to FOW10 as well as the Rootsmagic software. > I have exported my FTM data to the FO V3, (for a trail run) which I have had previously to adopting the FTM 10. Thus I am not totally strange to the FO software. > Is there anyone out there that has experience with the FTM as well as the FOW10 that can give any advice on the benefits of FOW over FTM? Any comments will be appreciated. Fred

Your response would make perfect sense if you are talking about FO, but I was looking at your subject line and thought you were asking about RootsMagic. J Trevor Rix wrote: > Joyce, > > >>So, why don't you order directly from Bruce at >>http://www.rootsmagic.com >> >>Go to that web site and look at the order blank. > > > Because, like Bruce (Formalsoft), we buy Family Origins in bulk from > Genealogy.com who are the manufacturers and distributors of Family > Origins. > > Reference: Bruce's recent message > "No, we have to buy FO ourselves from genealogy.com to resell, > and now that they've discontinued it..." > > Trevor > > >>Trevor Rix wrote: >> >>>Peter, >>> >>> >>> >>>>As a user of FOW, (I started with V6 and upgraded each year to V10) >>>>could anybody advise me as to the best way to purchase RootsMagic in >>>>the UK. in order to take advantage of the introductory price. >>> >>> >>>RootsMagic will not be available for purchase anywhere in the UK, at >>>least not in the near future. >>> >>> >>> >>>>Here >>>>in the UK. FOW has only been available from specialist Genealogical >>>>dealers and they tend to be late in getting supplies and are a bit >>>>more expensive. >>> >>> >>>We purchase Family Origins (and Family Tree Maker) direct from the >>>manufacturers Genealogy.com, as as such have had new versions in stock >>>here in the UK the same day as they are released in the USA. >>> >>>We shall continue to provide free technical support to our Family >>>Origins customers forever. >>> >>>Trevor Rix >>>TWR Computing >>>Suppliers of Software and Computers for Family Historians >>>Clapstile Farm, Alpheton, Sudbury, Suffolk CO10 9BN, United Kingdom >>>telephone 01284 828271 international +44 1284 828271 >>>sales@twrcomputing.co.uk >>>support@twrcomputing.co.uk >>>http://www.twrcomputing.co.uk >>> >>> >>>==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >>>The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm >>>Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>Joyce Ragels >>Tucson Arizona USA >> >>He who would pursue revenge should first dig two graves. >> >>______________________________ > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. > > -- Joyce Ragels Tucson Arizona USA A fellow who is always declaring that he is no fool usually harbors suspicions to the contrary.

Let us for the moment talk about RootsMagic. Go to the RootsMagic website and click on the link for the screen shots and look at the three main views. You can double click on any person in any of these views, or hit the enter key while the person is highlighted, to bring up the "Edit Person" window, or left click on any person to get a dropdown menu with 7 choices: Edit Person, Edit Family, View Family, Add, Unlink, Delete and Merge. Most of these also have sub-menus to choose from. Nearly everything that you can do with a click of the mouse can also be done from the keyboard with some shortcut key or key combination. I think that the family view itself is enough of an improvement over what I have seen of FTM to give someone the incentive to at least try RootsMagic. (I don't know what FTM 10 looks like, does it still only show 4 children at a time?) Look at the other screen shots and read the features list. I cannot tell you about the differences between this and FTM 10, as I don't have any knowledge of it's interface. Family Origins 10, is much the same, but there does not have the Descendants main screen. I like Family Origins 10, but, in a week or two, it will be "yesterday's software." I would suggest that you think in terms of RootsMagic 1.0 rather than Family Origins 10.0. I am not trying to proselytize anyone, but you asked. I think that the best thing about Family Tree Maker is it's marketing. Alfred D. Eller Family-Origins-Users-admin@RootsWeb.com FOW fact diagnostic tool, using Excel Spreadsheet http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/FOFacts.htm --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Clark's" <fsea@look.ca> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > I am quite knew to this LIST but not knew to genealogy. At present I > have close to 2000 names and 430 marriages with numerous photos and > notes in my Family Tree Maker version 10 data base. > > Since I joined this LIST I have heard positive comments related to FOW10 > as well as the Rootsmagic software. > > I have exported my FTM data to the FO V3, (for a trail run) which I have > had previously to adopting the FTM 10. Thus I am not totally strange to > the FO software. > > Is there anyone out there that has experience with the FTM as well as > the FOW10 that can give any advice on the benefits of FOW over FTM? Any > comments will be appreciated. > > Fred > >

Fred, I have both FO and FTM and believe me the only thing I every got from FTM was the research used to be better than it is any more. But as far as working with FTM I found it harder and more cumbersome than any and harder to do anything with. Whereas the FO was so much simpler to operate and done so much more with better looking forms. One thing used to do a lot of Gedcom and as you should know it is not simple with FTM and in fact most users still don't know how to do it. Whereas with FO it is even one of the simple operations. Also with FO you can put more than one database up on your screen at a time and interchange data between them with ease. Really could go on and on for FTM just simply can not measure up to FO at all.] Lester ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Clark's" <fsea@look.ca> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > I am quite knew to this LIST but not knew to genealogy. At present I > have close to 2000 names and 430 marriages with numerous photos and > notes in my Family Tree Maker version 10 data base. > > Since I joined this LIST I have heard positive comments related to FOW10 > as well as the Rootsmagic software. > > I have exported my FTM data to the FO V3, (for a trail run) which I have > had previously to adopting the FTM 10. Thus I am not totally strange to > the FO software. > > Is there anyone out there that has experience with the FTM as well as > the FOW10 that can give any advice on the benefits of FOW over FTM? Any > comments will be appreciated. > > Fred > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to FormalSoft@aol.com for ordering information. > > >

Relationship is based on blood lines. In other words they have the same DNA. They must have a common ancestor. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DICKPOLL@aol.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: [FO] Relationship Chart > If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A not related to C? > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Searchable ARCHIVES - > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-U SERS >

DICKPOLL@aol.com wrote: > > If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A not related to C? > A related to B means there is someone in the ancestry of A that is the same as in the ancestry of B. Call this person D. Also, assume that D is the ONLY person common to the ancestry of both A and B. B related to C means there is someone in the ancestry of B that is the same as in the ancestry of C. Call this person E. Also assume that E is the ONLY person common to the ancestry of both B and C. Now unless D and E are the same person, then A is not related to C. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

> If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A not related to C? > Relationship is based on blood lines. In other words they have the same DNA. They must have a common ancestor. Example: If A is a paternal cousin of B and C is a maternal cousin of B, then A would not be related to C.

If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A not related to C?

I am quite knew to this LIST but not knew to genealogy. At present I have close to 2000 names and 430 marriages with numerous photos and notes in my Family Tree Maker version 10 data base. Since I joined this LIST I have heard positive comments related to FOW10 as well as the Rootsmagic software. I have exported my FTM data to the FO V3, (for a trail run) which I have had previously to adopting the FTM 10. Thus I am not totally strange to the FO software. Is there anyone out there that has experience with the FTM as well as the FOW10 that can give any advice on the benefits of FOW over FTM? Any comments will be appreciated. Fred

My Dads Father is also my Grand Uncle on my Mother's Side. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://wc.rootsweb.com/~jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "WE WILL NOT WAIVER, WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER; --- AND WE WILL NOT FAIL. PEACE AND FREEDOM WILL PREVAIL." --- --- President GEORGE W. BUSH --- "ALL INCOMING AND OUTGOING E-MAIL IS SCANNED WITH NORTON ANTI-VIRUS" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Adams" <poorgdau@yahoo.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Relationship Chart > Because they would be cousin of cousin!:o) or A is on > your Father side and C would be on you Mother side! > Your Mother's side is not related to your father side! > (sometimes like if sisters married brothers etc!) Lets > not go in to that! > --- DICKPOLL@aol.com wrote: > > If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A > > not related to C? > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > Searchable ARCHIVES - > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-U SERS > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ > >

Because they would be cousin of cousin!:o) or A is on your Father side and C would be on you Mother side! Your Mother's side is not related to your father side! (sometimes like if sisters married brothers etc!) Lets not go in to that! --- DICKPOLL@aol.com wrote: > If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A > not related to C? > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Searchable ARCHIVES - > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Oh, Gene-alogy! :-) HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://wc.rootsweb.com/~jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "WE WILL NOT WAIVER, WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER; --- AND WE WILL NOT FAIL. PEACE AND FREEDOM WILL PREVAIL." --- --- President GEORGE W. BUSH --- "ALL INCOMING AND OUTGOING E-MAIL IS SCANNED WITH NORTON ANTI-VIRUS" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Pollock" <art272@comcast.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Relationship Chart > Relationship is based on blood lines. In other words they have the same DNA. > They must have a common ancestor. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DICKPOLL@aol.com> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 11:09 AM > Subject: [FO] Relationship Chart > > > > If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A not related to C? > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > Searchable ARCHIVES - > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-U > SERS > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Kruszka" <acpercival@hotmail.com> To: <donwright@footprints.org>; <family-origins-users-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FO] FO VERSION 10 > > No more work than moving your main database! You are right.... but.... I have about 300 databases that I refer to now and then. Many times I have added new names, then found connections in some of the older databases. If I find a connection on one of them, they will be moved, so I can compare the information on the split window of RM. DonWright@footprints.org Webmaster of http://footprints.org "All Incoming and Outgoing Mail is Scanned with Norton Anti-Virus"

Interesting Question, depends on what relation B and C Are I guess. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://wc.rootsweb.com/~jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "WE WILL NOT WAIVER, WE WILL NOT TIRE, WE WILL NOT FALTER; --- AND WE WILL NOT FAIL. PEACE AND FREEDOM WILL PREVAIL." --- --- President GEORGE W. BUSH --- "ALL INCOMING AND OUTGOING E-MAIL IS SCANNED WITH NORTON ANTI-VIRUS" ----- Original Message ----- From: <DICKPOLL@aol.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: [FO] Relationship Chart > If A is related to B and B is related to C, why is A not related to C? > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Searchable ARCHIVES - > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-U SERS > >

Your Mother's side is not related to your father side! > (sometimes like if sisters married brothers etc!) Lets > not go in to that! > --- DICKPOLL@aol.com wrote: If your ancestors are the original settlers of Quebec or Acadia, your Mother's side most likely IS RELATED to your Father's side. Going back 200 or 400 years makes lots of connections. My parents were related over 20 different ways; of course, they never knew this. My paternal grandmother was related to me 45 different ways! Margaret LaGue-Hobler Ohio

Yes, as soon as you switch to RootsMagic you will be able to link family photo's in the scrapbook as well as many other options. You can also add multimedia to places, facts, etc. Sue Alan & Rosemary Jones wrote: >I have recently upgraded from FO v7 to FO v10. I have used the facility >to put in some family group photos attached to a parent. That's fine but >having done it there seems to be no visual indication on Tree View or >Family View that a family scrapbook exists (unlike the individual >photos). > >So I have made a note in the parent's 'Individual Note' saying that >there is a Family Scrapbook. Does anyone have a better idea please? > >Alan Jones, Cheshire, UK > > > > >