I think that the reports of the death of the GEDCOM standard have been grossly exaggerated. If one part of the genealogy community, Even a part as large as the LDS Church, tries to change the direction everyone else is going now, they will have a mighty big job on their hands. It will take an extended period of time to accomplish anything as big as changing an old standard like GEDCOM. -------------------------- from the pages of the Webopedia: http://www.webopedia.com/ "XML" Short for Extensible Markup Language, a specification developed by the W3C. XML is a pared-down version of SGML, designed especially for Web documents. It allows designers to create their own customized tags, enabling the definition, transmission, validation, and interpretation of data between applications and between organizations. ----------------- But, if after a few years, everyone has grown comfortable with a new way of doing things, the old way will just fade away and no one will even notice that it isn't there anymore. (When was it that you last saw a 5Œ" floppy disk in a store) It is nearly that bad with the 3œ" floppies now that every program is so large they have to be distributed on CDs. I would Imagine that Bruce will add support for XL transfers to Family Origins when and If it looks like it will become a standard. I wouldn't loose any sleep over it. Most of it is hidden from the end user like us so that we have no idea what language is used to write a program. Alfred ==================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <ABLass@aol.com> > I just read in the latest Ancestry Magazine that the LDS Church has selected > XML for future software programs. They plan to create a new file format to > replace GEDCOM. It said that XML would allow more programming freedom and > better data sharing. It said that GEDCOM would not be improved any further. > > Does anyone know about XML? I assume that FO will be compatible with this new > software, right? > > Bill >

I just read in the latest Ancestry Magazine that the LDS Church has selected XML for future software programs. They plan to create a new file format to replace GEDCOM. It said that XML would allow more programming freedom and better data sharing. It said that GEDCOM would not be improved any further. Does anyone know about XML? I assume that FO will be compatible with this new software, right? Bill

If they don't update the standard any more, the others will have to change. The LDS is/was the originator of the gedcom standard, I believe. Aloha Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Eller" <adeller@santel.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [FO] XML > I think that the reports of the death of the GEDCOM standard have been > grossly exaggerated. > > If one part of the genealogy community, Even a part as large as the LDS > Church, tries to change the direction everyone else is going now, they will > have a mighty big job on their hands. It will take an extended period of > time to accomplish anything as big as changing an old standard like GEDCOM. > > -------------------------- > from the pages of the Webopedia: > http://www.webopedia.com/ > > "XML" > Short for Extensible Markup Language, a specification developed by the W3C. > XML is a pared-down version of SGML, designed especially for Web documents. > It allows designers to create their own customized tags, enabling the > definition, transmission, validation, and interpretation of data between > applications and between organizations. > > ----------------- > > > But, if after a few years, everyone has grown comfortable with a new way of > doing things, the old way will just fade away and no one will even notice > that it isn't there anymore. (When was it that you last saw a 5¼" floppy > disk in a store) It is nearly that bad with the 3½" floppies now that every > program is so large they have to be distributed on CDs. > > I would Imagine that Bruce will add support for XL transfers to Family > Origins when and If it looks like it will become a standard. I wouldn't > loose any sleep over it. Most of it is hidden from the end user like us so > that we have no idea what language is used to write a program. > > Alfred > > ==================== > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <ABLass@aol.com> > > > I just read in the latest Ancestry Magazine that the LDS Church has > selected > > XML for future software programs. They plan to create a new file format to > > replace GEDCOM. It said that XML would allow more programming freedom and > > better data sharing. It said that GEDCOM would not be improved any > further. > > > > Does anyone know about XML? I assume that FO will be compatible with this > new > > software, right? > > > > Bill > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I will try to answer your questions below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MScheffler" <figaro@dreamscape.com> To: "mbraden" <maybe@pdq.net>; <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Codebase Errors > Mary, > > It sounds as if you are having problems with more than one program, > so maybe you need to step back a bit. You may not have a hard drive in > a condition to which you can restore programs successfully. > > How did you redo your hard drive? We reinstalled it from the disk, that came with this Gateway Computer. A clean format and reinstall of > all programs from Windows first and then the programs from their > ORIGINAL cds? Yes, we did. The only extra Software on this computer is Family Origin it is v-7. A restore disk from your computer manufacturer? yes What > operating system? Windows M.E . Are you sure the hard drive is ok? No, when talking to a "tech" at Gateway last night, he was kinda concerned about that. > > If you have a manufacturer's restore cd, I would start all over > again with the reformat process. This is the second time, in less then a week. Paul Smith helped me the first time. And I think will again. He lives 40 away and I was trying to get it on my own, if I could. He has been so good about it and I am afraid I am going to loose a friend, if I don't quit leaning on him for help. Then install all your programs from > original program cds, NOT programs from backups. Leave your virus > program to last. > > If you tried to reinstall programs from information you backed up > from the hard drive with problems, you may just have carried on the > problems. > > Let us know exactly what you did, and some of us may be able to > guide you through the next steps.-----------------We backed up to a CD, then errased all and with the reinstall disk, 2,1,3,4,---------When done. Reloaded from the back-up CD, and ??"&%? . And hear I am. Now I have one more thing I can do and thats go to the old computer, and get my FO Databases and try to install them. The only thing I have added quite a bit on the new one, and I would loose that.-----But ALL is not lose. I want to thank all for the help........ Mary > > Margaret Scheffler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mbraden" <maybe@pdq.net> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [FO] Codebase Errors > > > > Hello All: > > Thanks, to "All" for trying to help with my problem. But something is > not working, are I just don't understand what all to do. But my > problem is worse now, then in the first writing. All databases seem to > now be having the "codebase" errors come up. I might say that we backed > up all on a CD-RW on a formatted cd. Have gone to see if it is checked > for "read only" but it > > is unchecked. (Remember I had to erase all the hard drive, and reload > it.) And that when I started having so much trouble. Also it won''t let > me reload (import) my address book, or some important e-mails. If you > feel like helping me on this subject. Please step by step. Since I am > a novice. > > Mary Braden > > >

Mary, It sounds as if you are having problems with more than one program, so maybe you need to step back a bit. You may not have a hard drive in a condition to which you can restore programs successfully. How did you redo your hard drive? A clean format and reinstall of all programs from Windows first and then the programs from their ORIGINAL cds? A restore disk from your computer manufacturer? What operating system? Are you sure the hard drive is ok? If you have a manufacturer's restore cd, I would start all over again with the reformat process. Then install all your programs from original program cds, NOT programs from backups. Leave your virus program to last. If you tried to reinstall programs from information you backed up from the hard drive with problems, you may just have carried on the problems. Let us know exactly what you did, and some of us may be able to guide you through the next steps. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "mbraden" <maybe@pdq.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Codebase Errors > Hello All: > Thanks, to "All" for trying to help with my problem. But something is not working, are I just don't understand what all to do. But my problem is worse now, then in the first writing. All databases seem to now be having the "codebase" errors come up. I might say that we backed up all on a CD-RW on a formatted cd. Have gone to see if it is checked for "read only" but it > is unchecked. (Remember I had to erase all the hard drive, and reload it.) And that when I started having so much trouble. Also it won''t let me reload (import) my address book, or some important e-mails. If you feel like helping me on this subject. Please step by step. Since I am a novice. > Mary Braden

Hello All: Thanks, to "All" for trying to help with my problem. But something is not working, are I just don't understand what all to do. But my problem is worse now, then in the first writing. All databases seem to now be having the "codebase" errors come up. I might say that we backed up all on a CD-RW on a formatted cd. Have gone to see if it is checked for "read only" but it is unchecked. (Remember I had to erase all the hard drive, and reload it.) And that when I started having so much trouble. Also it won''t let me reload (import) my address book, or some important e-mails. If you feel like helping me on this subject. Please step by step. Since I am a novice. Mary Braden PS: When I tried to find the CDX files, by typing in the "find" or "search" it gave my a entire page of the boxes, like the databases has ,I think I had about 78 of them. I am scared to delete them, for fear I am losing all my info. So you see I have a mess.-------- mb ----- Original Message ----- From: "mbraden" <maybe@pdq.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 10:49 PM Subject: [FO] Codebase Errors > I am having trouble entering one of my databases, and I sure could use some help, please. I am running 7.1 They are as follows: (three of them) > I get these messages; > > No. 1 Codebase Errors > Error#: -60 > Error# 90615 > Open File > file4open > C:\MyDocuments\FamilyOriginsDatabases\Williamm.CDX > (OK) > > No. 2 Codebase Error > Error#: -935 > Error#: 94001 > Null Input Parameter > Unexpected d4field > (OK) > > > No. 3 > Program Error > Exiting Application > (CLOSE) > > > Is there anyway to save this database? It is one that I have made myself, no part of it is imported. > I will appreciate any and all the help I can get. > > Thanks to all for a find program. > > Mary Braden > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Alfred, Thanks so much for that info. I will now seriously start building the web page. Probably take me a million years. We will all see it next lifetime. Ha. Regards Diann P. > > What dpi do you use to scan the images? And does anyone have any suggested > > places to look for help in building web pages that have links and photos? > HTML tutors telling you how to fix up a web page. > > http://www.pagetutor.com/pagetutor/forms/ > > http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/ > > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ > > > backgrounds and borders > http://www.boogiejack.com/ > > Scanning tips > http://www.scantips.com/ > > The dpi (dots per inch) doesn't matter by itself. But combined with the size > of the image it does. The standard VGA screen is 480 pixels high by 600 > pixels wide. If you want to view a postage stamp the size of the full > screen, then about 600dpi would do it. But if you have a 4" by 6" portrait > snapshot (large dimension vertical, up and down) and you want to see it all > on one screen, you would have to scan it at about 75dpi. Most scanners won't > do that, so you have to rely on your software to adjust the size of the > scanned picture so that the vertical and horizontal dimension in pixels is > no higher than the number of pixels of the displaying screen. > > Then save the photo for the web page in a compressed format like jpg for > quicker loading on a slow connection. I checked out Darci's page, I think > that she should think about uploading the black and white pictures in gray > scale rather than full color, they would be about 1/3 the size, therefore > load three times as fast. > > I have been assuming that most people use at least an 800 by 600 display > anymore, I might be wrong. > > Alfred

Linda Smith wrote: > My first post--Has the subject of the new LDS Temple Ready been posted > before? ================ Linda, I think it was mentioned, but don't recall anything in detail. I know we have a Windows version at our FHC now, or at least I think it was. I just got a glance at it. Jim

My first post--Has the subject of the new LDS Temple Ready been posted before? Linda in Utah

Linda, With the patch to 9.02 I have found this an extremely stable program as used on my desktop and laptop computers. On the list, you hear mostly about people who have problems and not about the many of us who rarely have one. Through the FO versions I have used (3 through 9), I have found Family Origins one of the most stable programs I have used over the years. I do not ever remember having a corrupt database -- did once create a corrupt gedcom. Considering the number of hours I spend on genealogy per week, I consider this an excellent record and program. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Mason" <linda@amason.clara.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 4:38 PM Subject: [FO] Thanks > To all who have helped me with my codebase error messages I would like to say a heartfelt thank you. I have managed to restore a recent database and am now doing frequent back-ups! I notice that others have had the same problem and error messages - is this a common fault with the programme or are we all doing something obviously wrong? > Linda

To all who have helped me with my codebase error messages I would like to say a heartfelt thank you. I have managed to restore a recent database and am now doing frequent back-ups! I notice that others have had the same problem and error messages - is this a common fault with the programme or are we all doing something obviously wrong? Linda

At 06:49 PM 5/31/01, Darci wrote: >I want to scan an obituary into the database but instead of image, I'm >trying to convert to text using OCR and keep getting jumbled words. Has >anyone done this with success? Darci Darci, If you have a copy machine (don't all genealogists?) make a copy of the obit. OCR scans are much, much better then news print. --Derick

Thanks Alfred for your help. I will have to experiment with "new facts" and unchecking in Family Origins. When you used "forgedaboutit" it reminded me of Joey Tribianti using that phrase on a "Friends" episode.

The last two messages I sent to the list I got a reply form Evelyn Barefoot with a virus attached. If you have recently posted to the list, you might have received the same badtrans virus attachment, DO NOT OPEN IT, DELETE IT. I have unsubscribed her from the list until she gets it cleaned up. so it should stop quite soon. the Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator Alfred Eller

Let me add that I recently pulled the Grandma III collection into FO. That collection contains over 400,000 names in one tree. In the notes that the California Mennonite Historical Society sent with the CD they comment that the only program besides Brother's Keeper, that will handle that size of database is Family Origins. A very nice complement to FO. And FO looks a lot friendlier than BK. Stan www.smharder.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "MScheffler" <figaro@dreamscape.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Thanks (was codebase errors) Linda, With the patch to 9.02 I have found this an extremely stable program as used on my desktop and laptop computers. On the list, you hear mostly about people who have problems and not about the many of us who rarely have one. Through the FO versions I have used (3 through 9), I have found Family Origins one of the most stable programs I have used over the years.

It's also a great line from the movie, "Mickey Blue Eyes". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Wheeler" <racefan@azalea.net> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [FO] scanning to photo album question Thanks Alfred for your help. I will have to experiment with "new facts" and unchecking in Family Origins. When you used "forgedaboutit" it reminded me of Joey Tribianti using that phrase on a "Friends" episode.

No, you cannot tag notes so that part of them stays private, but you can make a new fact, call it Private or Confidential or whatever you want, and uncheck all the places for it to be used so that it never prints out anywhere. Put all your Private notes in that fact’s notes and no one but you will ever see them. I don’t know how Moxilla is set up, but with Outlook Express, I have buttons for “new mail”, “reply” and “reply to all”. If I want to send an original message to the list, I use the new mail button, then, I have to enter an address ( <family-origins-users-l@rootsweb.com> ), which I have in my address book, and an appropriate subject line. Another way would be to Reply to all, and erase the personal address and change the subject line. New York? Hummm, I went around the block so long ago that I forgot where it came from, but it’s funny, I have never been as far East as Chicago. Good Luck, Alfred ========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Wheeler" <racefan@azalea.net> > Is there any characters like ! or ~ that you can tag notes in Family > Origins to keep part of that note from printing in books? > > I can reply to messages by hitting the "Reply to all" button. How do I > start a new message or thread as I have see it called? "New message > to all" button? I guess I am still a rookie at rootsweb "mailing > lists". > > I like your New York accent Alfred. > > Henry

I've found that just scanning the document as a gif or jpg file, not OCR, works just as well. You can adjust the brightness to clean it up once scanned or adjust the contrast to make the print darker. -- Janelle Holmes Wildair Kennels Dripping Springs, TX

Is there any characters like ! or ~ that you can tag notes in Family Origins to keep part of that note from printing in books? I can reply to messages by hitting the "Reply to all" button. How do I start a new message or thread as I have see it called? "New message to all" button? I guess I am still a rookie at rootsweb "mailing lists". I like your New York accent Alfred. Henry

Darci, Many times, using the same computer and scanner but wildly different quality copies of Obits. And the results vary as wildly as the quality of the obit originals. Sometimes you can get nearly every word recognized..... and sometimes it's impossible to get more than about half recognized. General "rules" I follow Scan at 600 dpi Try scanning in "line art mode" and in "grayscale". Sometimes grayscale gives better results, sometimes not. If working from newsprint (what I usually have) and it's yellowed a lot, it sometimes helps to make a Xerox copy of the obit, and then scan that, instead of scanning the original newsprint. If the original shows some print on the "back" side bleeding through, this can really mess up your OCR. Try scanning with a black sheet of paper backing up your original. Darci wrote: > > I want to scan an obituary into the database but instead of image, I'm > trying to convert to text using OCR and keep getting jumbled words. Has > anyone done this with success? Darci > -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/