In a message dated 7/27/2001 9:19:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cindygene@home.com writes: > With increasing concern for privacy issues I'm hesitant to print a book with > living people's birth dates. (Often with that and mother's maiden name, > financial records can be accessed unlawfully - not by any of OUR relatives > of course!) Is there a way to print a book or pedigree chart and "hide" > birth dates of living people? Of course I don't want to delete the birth > dates of living relatives from FO. Thanks for any help. Cindy > There are several programs that can process a GEDCOM file, removing the birth date and optionally the name as well. A free one I used recently is Res Privata, available at http://members.ozemail.com.au/~naibor/rpriv.html Raymond

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Eller" <adeller@santel.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Find Dialog, Second Spouse > That won't help much right now, but we can't expect Bruce to think of > everything, he is too busy trying to get the next version of the program to > wash my car. > > Alfred > If I'm not too late...I'd like to think of *everyone* on the list and respectfully request the word "my" be changed to "our"....HeHe. Of course... Alfred's hard work on the list and forums deserves just such a reward ! -=Kevin Benson=-

I do believe you've found a bug! I just tried it and I had the same experience. One difference was that it wasn't the second marriage in time order, it was the second marriage I entered in the database, that wasn't found. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Bryan <c24m48@hotmail.com> To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: [FO] Find Dialog, Second Spouse >I wonder if the following scenario is a bug I should report, if I am doing >something wrong, or if this is just the way it works. > >I have Mary Jane Peters m.(1) William England m.(2) John Letsinger. A Find >for "given names" "contains" "Mary" AND "married surname" "equal to" >"Letsinger" fails to find the person. If I change the surname to "England" >it all works as it should. I have double and triple checked and I am >confident I have spelled everything correctly in my Find request. > >This situation arose because I had a census entry for the widow Mary >Letsinger, and I was trying to use the power of the Find mechanism to find >all the possibilities in my data base as quickly as possible. So when I >first issued the Find, I didn't know for sure that Mary Jane Peters was the >right one. I subsequently found her by other means, but it sure would be >nice to be able to trust the Find mechanism in this case. > >I am on 9.02 (9.0 plus the patch). > >Thanks in advance for any advice. > >Jerry Bryan > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > >______________________________

Betty, I just went through my Word 2000 processor and I can't find any place where it suggests it will print to pdf. Allen edalsie@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Stokes" <jstokes@houston.rr.com> To: <> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: [FO] PDF files > I was just printing an individual report on an ancestor with lots of "facts." It comes up in rtf format in Family Origins (Microsoft Word 97). I started to print it out and saw under the print selection the option to print to PDF. > > Neither of the files I was printing to PDF were images, just text, but I was not aware that both WordPerfect AND Microsoft Word would print to a PDF file. > > Betty > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to FormalSoft@aol.com for ordering information. > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

I tried a few experiments and came to the conclusion that the only married surname found is the one at the top of the list. If there are multiple married surnames, and they are listed in the order of the marriage, the first one is all that counts in a search. If you reverse the list, so that the last marriage is listed first and shows on the displays, then that is the married surname that is found, none of the others are. I tried a the middle one on top, and yes, that was the only one the search found. We will have to put this in the wish list for consideration in the next version. That won't help much right now, but we can't expect Bruce to think of everything, he is too busy trying to get the next version of the program to wash my car. Alfred =============== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Bryan" <c24m48@hotmail.com> > I wonder if the following scenario is a bug I should report, if I am doing > something wrong, or if this is just the way it works. > > I have Mary Jane Peters m.(1) William England m.(2) John Letsinger. A Find > for "given names" "contains" "Mary" AND "married surname" "equal to" > "Letsinger" fails to find the person. If I change the surname to "England" > it all works as it should. I have double and triple checked and I am > confident I have spelled everything correctly in my Find request. > > This situation arose because I had a census entry for the widow Mary > Letsinger, and I was trying to use the power of the Find mechanism to find > all the possibilities in my data base as quickly as possible. So when I > first issued the Find, I didn't know for sure that Mary Jane Peters was the > right one. I subsequently found her by other means, but it sure would be > nice to be able to trust the Find mechanism in this case. > > I am on 9.02 (9.0 plus the patch). > > Thanks in advance for any advice. > > Jerry Bryan > >

One can empathize with those who do not want to go to the work of changing one's sources. I had that experience when going to version 5 I believe. My earliest way of entering sources into FO in version 2 or 3 was a disaster, and I did not come out with very professional looking entries. HOWEVER, the ease with which FO currently handles sources is one of the highlights of the program. It is always THE feature I mention most when trying to convince someone they should try FO. Since proper sourcing is so important and indicates to other serious researchers whether or not one's work is scholarly, it could well be an important and useful change, albeit work if you are using one of the earliest versions of FO. I can't begin to tell you the number of compliments I have received from others as to the way my reports are sourced using FO's later versions. As far as the intricacies of using specific numbers for people or page numbers, you put those in the source citation details. Use only the basic book information or basic information for an individual as a major source. I also use some generic sources such Birth certificate, Marriage certificate, Federal Census 1790, etc. and then put all the particulars including volume and page number in the details. Those of you who have not tried the later versions would likely be very impressed with the later versions and all the nice features. Version 10 should be out soon. Margaret Scheffler

Allan, I meant WP9 (WP Office 2000). It, too, has the publish to pdf option. Which is nice because I don't plan on upgrading -- I don't see any substantive word processing features being upgraded. Allen edalsie@earthlink.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Plucinik" <aplucinik@worldnet.att.net> To: "Allen Siebold" <edalsie@earthlink.net> Cc: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [FO] PDF files > Allen, > > I think you mean WordPerfect 10. I just upgraded from vers. 9 to vers. 10 and > "publish to PDF format" was introduced in vers. 10. > > > > Allan Plucinik > Colorado Springs, CO > > > Allen Siebold wrote: > > > > I'm traveling on vacation at the moment, so please excuse my lateness in > > replying.... > > > > If you are interested in producing pdf files from FO you have it made as > > long as you use WordPerfect 9. > > > > I've done 'book' reports via rtf files, opened it in WordPerfect, and then > > used the "Publish to PDF" function. This produces a basic pdf file which > > then can be opened easily with a pdf reader (free). > > > > I just did a 9 generation report with source notes and it took only 150KB. > > This is easily sent via e-mail or even put up on a web-site for downloading. > > > > If anyone is interested let me know and I'll send one along to you via email > > for you to see and try. > > > > Allen > > edalsie@earthlink.net

In a message dated 7/27/2001 5:43:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jbarron@nc.rr.com writes: > Yes, "I can feel your pain". I suggested that the next upgrade gave the > operator to accept one typed in version of a source citation for another > one, in spite of the > fact that they were not identical. I entered many of my sources with " > opening and closing the citation. I can't simply combine the listings, I > must make all entries > identical before I can do this. At times only one space or letter if > different, and the sources cannot be combined. It seems to me that one > should be able to make the > program accept what the operator wants, and not vice-versa. So far, no > changes have been made and I have hundreds of sources listed, many many of > which are duplicated > many times over, except for " or spaces, or one - two word differences, on > layout differences. > > I understand about security of data, but shouldn't the operator have the > control? > > I have hundreds of sources like that too, where the only difference from another source is the number assigned in a genealogy book. Without that number, the source note is pretty useless! And then I have other source notes that are extensive paragraphs, which newer FO tries to "manage" by using the first line. Whine whine whine. Oh well, FO 3.0 isn't so bad, it's very flexible in managing GEDCOM files, which is the main thing I seem to do these days. By the way, my folks are: Raymond, Barnett, Howard, Williams, Elliott, Lutz, Bussert, Saunders. Raymond

I'm traveling on vacation at the moment, so please excuse my lateness in replying.... If you are interested in producing pdf files from FO you have it made as long as you use WordPerfect 9. I've done 'book' reports via rtf files, opened it in WordPerfect, and then used the "Publish to PDF" function. This produces a basic pdf file which then can be opened easily with a pdf reader (free). I just did a 9 generation report with source notes and it took only 150KB. This is easily sent via e-mail or even put up on a web-site for downloading. If anyone is interested let me know and I'll send one along to you via email for you to see and try. Allen edalsie@earthlink.net

I was just printing an individual report on an ancestor with lots of "facts." It comes up in rtf format in Family Origins (Microsoft Word 97). I started to print it out and saw under the print selection the option to print to PDF. Neither of the files I was printing to PDF were images, just text, but I was not aware that both WordPerfect AND Microsoft Word would print to a PDF file. Betty

I have WordPerfect 9 and had been considering WordPerfect 10. One of the things of interest was the PDF capability. I had a fuzzy memory that the capability was there in version 9. I checked and it WAS there. I wrote to PDF (rather than saving) from a file in My Documents. When I went back to WordPerfect, it didn't open there and came up as unsupported format. Then I went to Windows Explorer and clicked on the file ending in *.pdf and it came up in Pdf format (I have the reader program on my computer). Thanks for reminding me that that capability was there in WordPerfect 9. I can think about Version 10 a bit longer. Betty

I wonder if the following scenario is a bug I should report, if I am doing something wrong, or if this is just the way it works. I have Mary Jane Peters m.(1) William England m.(2) John Letsinger. A Find for "given names" "contains" "Mary" AND "married surname" "equal to" "Letsinger" fails to find the person. If I change the surname to "England" it all works as it should. I have double and triple checked and I am confident I have spelled everything correctly in my Find request. This situation arose because I had a census entry for the widow Mary Letsinger, and I was trying to use the power of the Find mechanism to find all the possibilities in my data base as quickly as possible. So when I first issued the Find, I didn't know for sure that Mary Jane Peters was the right one. I subsequently found her by other means, but it sure would be nice to be able to trust the Find mechanism in this case. I am on 9.02 (9.0 plus the patch). Thanks in advance for any advice. Jerry Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

With increasing concern for privacy issues I'm hesitant to print a book with living people's birth dates. (Often with that and mother's maiden name, financial records can be accessed unlawfully - not by any of OUR relatives of course!) Is there a way to print a book or pedigree chart and "hide" birth dates of living people? Of course I don't want to delete the birth dates of living relatives from FO. Thanks for any help. Cindy

Allen, I think you mean WordPerfect 10. I just upgraded from vers. 9 to vers. 10 and "publish to PDF format" was introduced in vers. 10. Allan Plucinik Colorado Springs, CO Allen Siebold wrote: > > I'm traveling on vacation at the moment, so please excuse my lateness in > replying.... > > If you are interested in producing pdf files from FO you have it made as > long as you use WordPerfect 9. > > I've done 'book' reports via rtf files, opened it in WordPerfect, and then > used the "Publish to PDF" function. This produces a basic pdf file which > then can be opened easily with a pdf reader (free). > > I just did a 9 generation report with source notes and it took only 150KB. > This is easily sent via e-mail or even put up on a web-site for downloading. > > If anyone is interested let me know and I'll send one along to you via email > for you to see and try. > > Allen > edalsie@earthlink.net

Jack, This was what Rand Putnam gave for information: 1. Follow surname only. All daughter's descendants will be deleted and the daughter's info will be moved under her parents. Her spouses and references to spouse's parents will be retained. 2. Renumber nondeleted descendants. Deleting nonsurname families leave holes in the numbering. This portion of the program will eliminate those holes. 3. Include a back reference to ancestor's given names (e.g., John Smith (Erastus, William)). You can also download this program (ANCESTOR) separately. 4. Convert endnotes to footnotes. You can also download this program (NOTECVT) separately. Several important comments here: 1. Unzip the DESCEND program to the directory where you normally create your descendent reports (c:\Program Files\Parsons Technology\Family Origins). 2. You can run DESCEND from DOS, Windows explorer, or from a shortcut, perhaps on the desktop. You can create a shortcut on the desktop by right clicking on DESCENT, scroll down to "Send To", scroll down to Desktop. 3. The descent report filename must follow the DOS naming convention (xxxxxxxx.rtf). It cannot be longer than 8 characters to the left of the "." and 3 characters to the right. 4. When you create your FO descendent report, you must turn on the "Include Sources" option. Otherwise the program will crash with that warning. 5. If you encounter any problems, please email me your descendent report with a description of the problem. 6. If you are not computer literate, DESCENT may not be a program for you. I suggest you get someone who is computer literate to help you set the program up or ignore this program completely. Rand Putnam I would be interested in the results. Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Ralph" <nvjack@nvbell.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 7:33 PM Subject: Fw: [FO] re: modified register descendants report (book type) > I accidentally sent the following message to David instead of the entire > list. Sorry about that. I need to keep my eye on that "reply to" box > <bg> > > Jack > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack W. Ralph" <nvjack@nvbell.net> > To: "David W. Dorsey" <ddorsey@mindspring.com> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: [FO] re: modified register descendants report (book type) > > > > I downloaded the "Ancestor.zip" file and extracted it into my FOWin9 > > folder. However, I cannot figure out how to use it. Can anyone give > me > > step by step instructions? It appears to be a DOS program without > > documentation (and no "ReadMe.txt file). I must be getting old (and > > senile). > > > > Jack

I have had fairly good results with Microsoft Word's feature "recover text from any file." In Word, you use File, Open, and then on the pull down menu select that option and highlight the file you are trying to use. Sometimes there will be some formatting you need to fix, but you do recover the content of files created by older word processors. I never used Windows 3, went directly from dos to Windows 3.1, but she may have written the file either in the earlier simple processor Write (extension .wri) or in some version of Microsoft Works. In either case Word should open it. Linda Scheimann On Fri, 27 July 2001, Joann Lerea wrote: > > A new found cousin has offered to send me the book > length, prose family history which she wrote some time > ago using Windows 3. It is still on her old computer > hard drive. > The question is: If she sends it, will I be able > to download it on my Windows 98? Should I try to > put it somewhere in FO or in a separate file until I > see just what it is? > Suggestions most welcome. > > Joann > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB _________________________________________________________________ iVillage.com: Solutions for Your Life Check out the most exciting women's community on the Web http://www.ivillage.com

Way back in 1993, before I had a Windows computer, I started using the DOS version of Family Origins. When I got Windows the next year, I upgraded to Family Origins 3.0 for Windows, and was pretty happy with it. When version 4 came out, I upgraded again... but I was so disappointed that I returned it and got my money back. I had several complaints, but the real clincher was what they did to the Source feature. In version 3.0, Sources were simple free-form text, much like Notes. And I had made hundreds of such source notes, all pretty much unique. But version 4.0 (and subsequent versions) tries to "manage" the sources, complicating the picture unnecessarily, in my view, and making my old free-form source notes very hard to maintain. And so, I'm still running version 3.0... not exactly happy with it anymore, because it does have many limitations (lack of outline report, no page numbers in registry report...) I have a version of FTM, but I always found it rather bloated. I sometimes download my database there to use some of it's features, but I still keep my "master" database of 15k individuals on FO 3. Long time ago, I suggested to Parsons that they have an option to use the older free-form source method, but heard nothing back from them. Anyone identify with my problem? Also I'm wondering, is there any other genealogy software out there that handles Source notes as simple free-form text? Raymond B. Howard

It's not the windows version that counts. It's the version of the word processor that she used. Do you have that version or later? If not, then you may be able to convert to whatever word porcessor you use. However if you have the same or later version of the word processor it will read the prior version and convert to your version. Earnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joann Lerea" <joanninct@yahoo.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:02 PM Subject: [FO] Different Windows Versions > A new found cousin has offered to send me the book > length, prose family history which she wrote some time > ago using Windows 3. It is still on her old computer > hard drive. > The question is: If she sends it, will I be able > to download it on my Windows 98? Should I try to > put it somewhere in FO or in a separate file until I > see just what it is? > Suggestions most welcome. > > Joann > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Ditto what Earnie said, and NO! you cannot put it in FO if it is a prose book. You will have to read it with a word-processor or text editor and copy the relevant parts into FOW. If you have the book and Family Origins both open at the same time, you can use [Ctrl] - [ c ] to copy text pieces from the book and then [Ctrl] - [ v ] to paste them into notes and sources in FOW. But, typing the names and facts would probably be faster than trying to copy them. Good Luck, Alfred ============ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joann Lerea" <joanninct@yahoo.com> > A new found cousin has offered to send me the book > length, prose family history which she wrote some time > ago using Windows 3. It is still on her old computer > hard drive. > The question is: If she sends it, will I be able > to download it on my Windows 98? Should I try to > put it somewhere in FO or in a separate file until I > see just what it is? > Suggestions most welcome. > > Joann > >

I accidentally sent the following message to David instead of the entire list. Sorry about that. I need to keep my eye on that "reply to" box <bg> Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack W. Ralph" <nvjack@nvbell.net> To: "David W. Dorsey" <ddorsey@mindspring.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [FO] re: modified register descendants report (book type) > I downloaded the "Ancestor.zip" file and extracted it into my FOWin9 > folder. However, I cannot figure out how to use it. Can anyone give me > step by step instructions? It appears to be a DOS program without > documentation (and no "ReadMe.txt file). I must be getting old (and > senile). > > Jack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David W. Dorsey" <ddorsey@mindspring.com> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 4:34 PM > Subject: Re: [FO] re: modified register descendants report (book type) > > > > Mary Jean and James, > > > > You can find the utilities on the follow FormalSoft page: > > > > http://formalsoft.com/utilities.htm > > > > Good luck in your research! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James Elting" <James.W.Elting@eltingweb.com> > > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 6:10 PM > > Subject: RE: [FO] re: modified register descendants report (book type) > > > > > > > There is a program designed by Rand Putnam called Ancestor Uplines > which > > > will read a FOW book in RTF format and will create the uplines (i.e. > the > > > James W. Elting > > > > > > Elting Family Genealogist > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mary Jean Hall [mailto:maryjesse@newwave.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 1:44 PM > > > To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [FO] re: modified register descendants report (book type) > > > > > > ..................I found to my dismay that there was no lineage > > > associated with each of the people that are in the report. > > > Mary Jean Hall > > > maryjesse@newwave.net > > > > > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to FormalSoft@aol.com for > ordering information. > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > >