Hello, I am havig trouble getting rid of the "unknown spouse". It gave me the same husband twice and when I tried to delete one of them I get the unknown. Too late now, but should I have used the 'merge' feature so as not to lose all the data etc? Thanks so much. Maxine

Do you have five or ten minutes to spare? If so, it might be well worth the time to review the rules of netiquette as presented at this site: http://www.primenet.com/~vez/neti.html Not that anyone on this list has any need for them, but you may be able to pass the URL on to someone who is less couth than you are. But if you do, try to remember to be diplomatic about it. Remember the golden rule of email: "Type only to others what you would have them type unto you" (Or something like that) Have you all learned all there is to know About Family Origins 9.02? It is nearly August. Version ten will probably be out before the autumnal Equinox so we don't have much time to conquer 9. One nice thing I have discovered about Family Origins, There is not much of a learning curve from one version To the next. You might have some new features to learn, but the things that you learned about the previous versions still work. I wonder if Bruce has gotten that car washing thing that I wished for added yet, time will tell <};-) Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator Alfred Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/

GEDCOM's can contain as little or as much information as you want. Each fact, including User Defined, has controls as to when it is used. If something appears wrong, check the controls for the fact by Lists menu, then Fact Types, then select the specific fact and click Edit. The controls are check boxes in the center of the screen. Your sentence structure information and some of the User Defined fact naming information is lost during GEDCOM export. This is because the GEDCOM standards do not provide for it. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "MScheffler" <figaro@dreamscape.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Info lost in gedcom??? > I almost panicked when I read the information below about possibly > losing marriage facts in a gedcom export when no place or date was > listed for the marriage since every month or so, since I export my > entire database of 37,000+ names, delete the original database and > rename and reimport. > > So, I tried it out -- exported the entire database to a gedcom, > deleted the current database, renamed a new one the same name, and > imported the gedcom I had just made. > > I had a couple marriages I added last night with only a source, no > place or date. When I reimported the gedcom the marriage the marriage > facts remain as well as their source. > > Does anyone know for sure if there is ANYTHING other than user > defined facts that gets lost in a gedcom export and import within the > current versions of FO? Occasionally I have to re-enter my preparer > information, but that is the only thing I have ever discovered missing. > Obviously, when one goes from one program to another or from a current > version of FO back to one of the really early ones, data that does not > conform to the programs structure could well be lost. > > Margaret Scheffler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <LouPero@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [FO] Info lost in gedcom??? > > > > One thing you lose in a GEDCOM is marriage links where there is no > date or place. That is, when FO asks you if you want to establish a > marriage even if you don't know where or when so you say yes and leave > everything blank, the names will still be linked in the new database, > but it won't say they are married. Have I explained that right? > > > > Another thing that gets lost is information you put in custom fact > types, if you don't establish the custom fact types in the new > database............ > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Very basic Windows: http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/created4/COMPUTERBASICS.html > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Margaret, > Does anyone know for sure if there is ANYTHING other than user >defined facts that gets lost in a gedcom export and import within the >current versions of FO? Based purely on my own experience, and I do not do it nearly as often as you do, I have always been able to import 100% of the information (I do not have any user-defined facts), so long as you choose the right options when exporting, and then import it to Family Origins of the same version (9.02 currently, but anxiously waiting for 10.0 <g>). There are a LOT of people on this list who know more than I do, so they may tell you otherwise, but that has been my own experience and understanding. It must be kept in mind, though, that when importing a GEDCOM not created in the same version of the same software, you will virtually always lose something, but it is generally minimal. A GEDCOM created by our old friend FTM, though, seems to be among the worst, in my experience. David <clip> MSgt David E. Cann, USMC (Ret'd) Phone: 540-372-7868 Fax: 540-372-7707 E-mail: decann@infi.net Family home page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~decann

I almost panicked when I read the information below about possibly losing marriage facts in a gedcom export when no place or date was listed for the marriage since every month or so, since I export my entire database of 37,000+ names, delete the original database and rename and reimport. So, I tried it out -- exported the entire database to a gedcom, deleted the current database, renamed a new one the same name, and imported the gedcom I had just made. I had a couple marriages I added last night with only a source, no place or date. When I reimported the gedcom the marriage the marriage facts remain as well as their source. Does anyone know for sure if there is ANYTHING other than user defined facts that gets lost in a gedcom export and import within the current versions of FO? Occasionally I have to re-enter my preparer information, but that is the only thing I have ever discovered missing. Obviously, when one goes from one program to another or from a current version of FO back to one of the really early ones, data that does not conform to the programs structure could well be lost. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: <LouPero@aol.com> Subject: Re: [FO] Info lost in gedcom??? > One thing you lose in a GEDCOM is marriage links where there is no date or place. That is, when FO asks you if you want to establish a marriage even if you don't know where or when so you say yes and leave everything blank, the names will still be linked in the new database, but it won't say they are married. Have I explained that right? > > Another thing that gets lost is information you put in custom fact types, if you don't establish the custom fact types in the new database............

One of the things that can get out of order when you make a gedcom are multiple spouses with just the link and no information. I have made a new fact type named *Spouse Order* enabling the description only. In the Individualy entry screen, I put all the spouses in the description, ie. (1) Mary Jones (2) Nancy Smith. I have the fact type set to print in all books, reports, and gedcom. That way I can tell at a glance if I need to reset the spouse order. Laura .................... SNIP When this is exported to a floppy again as a gedcom will I have lost > parts of notes and sources or will they stay as they were in the original > database? Hope this question makes sense and thank you for your comments. > Sally Thoreson

I have just recently discovered what might be a bug in the Book Report. When quoting notes under facts, the next fact/event starts immediately instead of on the last line, such as when listing the data from a census it would appear thusly: John Doe age 37 bp Tn Jane age 35 " Al He was living in Podunk, KY in 1832 It would seem in order to prevent this from happening I would have to remember to hit the return key to start a new line for the next fact given, but should I really have to, and shouldn't the next fact be two lines later, leaving a space between each fact? -- Janelle Holmes Wildair Kennels Dripping Springs, TX

It has been that way since FOW 5. I agree, it is a problem. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janelle Holmes" <wildair@texas.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: [FO] Book Bug? > I have just recently discovered what might be a bug in the Book Report. > When quoting notes under facts, the next fact/event starts immediately > instead of on the last line, such as when listing the data from a census > it would appear thusly: > > John Doe age 37 bp Tn > Jane age 35 " Al He was living in Podunk, KY in 1832 > > It would seem in order to prevent this from happening I would have to > remember to hit the return key to start a new line for the next fact > given, but should I really have to, and shouldn't the next fact be two > lines later, leaving a space between each fact? > -- > Janelle Holmes > Wildair Kennels > Dripping Springs, TX > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm > ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

One thing you lose in a GEDCOM is marriage links where there is no date or place. That is, when FO asks you if you want to establish a marriage even if you don't know where or when so you say yes and leave everything blank, the names will still be linked in the new database, but it won't say they are married. Have I explained that right? Another thing that gets lost is information you put in custom fact types, if you don't establish the custom fact types in the new database. For instance, I have a fact type "Admitted" for the multiple moves my relatives made from one church to another. If I forget to set up this fact type in my new database I lose this information. Or it might get added to general notes, I forget, think it does get put into the listing file if I'm transferring to another program. If you transfer the GEDCOM to FTW or PAF, you lose a lot of your fact notes, but the general notes transfer okay. This is because these programs don't have separate fact notes. I have heard that the most recent version of FTW does allow you set up new fact types, but I don't know for sure if everything transfers to these okay or not, maybe someone else has tried it. I like to try different programs. Of all the others I have tried, Legacy does the best job of accepting GEDCOMs of FO. Another interesting thing is that the notes seem to all get transferred if you send a GEDCOM to Rootsweb, if you chose to send notes. When I first sent info to Rootsweb, World Connect, the facts other than b, m, d didn't seem to appear, but now they do. I don't know if custom facts such as "admitted" mentioned above appear okay or not. It is not quite the same output as you'd get from a FO report, but it is there. I thought that was pretty interesting.

That is sort of up to you. You can choose to export or not export notes and/or sources when you export the GEDCOM. If you choose to export them, they should import into the newly created Family Origins database just fine. BUT, and there is always a but, if you have family notes or sources, and you unlink the family, those notes and sources seem to get lost forever. Good Luck, Alfred ========== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Thoreson" <retbutch@kc.rr.com> > Hi all: > We have 9.2 FO. I have exported a gedcom to floppy (data had been > edited to remove my line leaving only my husband's) and then I imported it > to a new database for a little additional editing. > When this is exported to a floppy again as a gedcom will I have lost > parts of notes and sources or will they stay as they were in the original > database? Hope this question makes sense and thank you for your comments. > Sally Thoreson >

Hi, I am back, and I need help! I have had lots of troubles printing a good book. It all started about 5 or 6 months ago, and I am just not sure if it is a computer command to my printer that has gone haywire, or if it is the printer itself. I have adjusted until I am "blue in the face" so I need expert opinions! When I do print off pages to a book, it rides high on the page, but not every page. Very strange, I have adjusted everything I can find to make a change, and it still does this to me. One or two pages out of a book print just right, centered on the page, and then sometimes the next page rides way off to wherever. What can I do to remedy this problem? I use 6.0, believe I started at 3.0 or so, and upgraded 3 times! I am not in any hurry to upgrade since I read all the "stuff" about 8.0". They will have to take care of this patch thing before I want to try any new version, I read enough from Fam. Origin users last year to last me a lifetime on troubles. I really have been very happy with Family Origins, but... well now I am frustrated! Any help and advice will be gladly accepted. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi all: We have 9.2 FO. I have exported a gedcom to floppy (data had been edited to remove my line leaving only my husband's) and then I imported it to a new database for a little additional editing. When this is exported to a floppy again as a gedcom will I have lost parts of notes and sources or will they stay as they were in the original database? Hope this question makes sense and thank you for your comments. Sally Thoreson

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Microsoft has patches that I get regularly from them. Some of the programs I have and some I don't. They tell what the patch is for. I'm not afraid of them so why should I be afraid of the ones for FO. Are the FO patches listed somewhere?? Mary Jean Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "MScheffler" <figaro@dreamscape.com>Micrso To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:54 PM Subject: [FO] FO versions with patches > In my opinion one should NOT be afraid of a program that has a patch > to fix program bugs. > > However, a program that does not have patches, likely means its > author/distributor does not care about the bugs and not doing much of > anything to tell the user how to fix or work around them. > > With all the complications of Windows and a large variety of > programs, we will always find bugs in our programs if we use them > extensively.We are so lucky to have this list and Bruce, author of the > program, who tries to address all our concerns. > > Versions 8 and 9 of FO have been very stable and I have probably > entered over 25,000 people during the period of time I have been using > versions 8 and then 9. Version 8 had that little problem with the > backups, but it caused no major problems and could be eliminated > entirely if one chose a short path for the program, i.e. C:\fowin8. I > would not trust my invaluable data and extensive amount of work to a > program that was not stable. FO in all its versions is about the most > stable program I have ever used. > > I like many other on this list, watch for the new version updates > and order immediately. We would not be doing this if all the versions > were not reliable. Like Patricia I liked version 6 when it was new, but > I would certainly have not given up the new features added in the next > versions. > > Sorry, not to be able to help to suggest much for Patricia's > printing problem. I am assuming she has uninstalled and reinstalled her > printer driver as well as checking its website for an updated driver. > If not, perhaps those will help. > > Margaret Scheffler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Proper" <p_proper@hotmail.com> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 6:16 PM > Subject: [FO] I'm b_ a_ c_ k_... > > > > Hi, I am back, and I need help! I have had lots of troubles printing > a good book. ...printing description cut... > > > I use 6.0, believe I started at 3.0 or so, and upgraded 3 times! I > am not in any hurry to upgrade since I read all the "stuff" about 8.0". > They will have to take care of this patch thing before I want to try > any new version, I read enough from Fam. Origin users last year to last > me a lifetime on troubles. I really have been very happy with Family > Origins, but... well now I am frustrated! Any help and advice will be > gladly accepted. > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Searchable ARCHIVES - (might wrap so you have to type in part of the name, or copy and paste) > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMIL Y-ORIGINS-USERS > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

In a message dated 07/28/2001 5:46:25 PM Central Daylight Time, FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > I didn't want to be the first to mention VERSION 10, but, now that someone > has (wink), are we all holding our breaths waiting for Bruce to ring the > bell? This is WORSE than waiting for Santa to come at Christmas. > > Ted, I have learned to hate the long weary month of July and long for it to hurry and be over. August has become my favorite month...but it is as slow as Christmas. For the life of me I can't understand why Bruce can't at least give us some hints about what goodies we can expect to receive...if he really cared for us he would. Jane Lindsey Tift (frustrated and disgusted in Tuscola, Texas)

In my opinion one should NOT be afraid of a program that has a patch to fix program bugs. However, a program that does not have patches, likely means its author/distributor does not care about the bugs and not doing much of anything to tell the user how to fix or work around them. With all the complications of Windows and a large variety of programs, we will always find bugs in our programs if we use them extensively.We are so lucky to have this list and Bruce, author of the program, who tries to address all our concerns. Versions 8 and 9 of FO have been very stable and I have probably entered over 25,000 people during the period of time I have been using versions 8 and then 9. Version 8 had that little problem with the backups, but it caused no major problems and could be eliminated entirely if one chose a short path for the program, i.e. C:\fowin8. I would not trust my invaluable data and extensive amount of work to a program that was not stable. FO in all its versions is about the most stable program I have ever used. I like many other on this list, watch for the new version updates and order immediately. We would not be doing this if all the versions were not reliable. Like Patricia I liked version 6 when it was new, but I would certainly have not given up the new features added in the next versions. Sorry, not to be able to help to suggest much for Patricia's printing problem. I am assuming she has uninstalled and reinstalled her printer driver as well as checking its website for an updated driver. If not, perhaps those will help. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Proper" <p_proper@hotmail.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: [FO] I'm b_ a_ c_ k_... > Hi, I am back, and I need help! I have had lots of troubles printing a good book. ...printing description cut... > I use 6.0, believe I started at 3.0 or so, and upgraded 3 times! I am not in any hurry to upgrade since I read all the "stuff" about 8.0". They will have to take care of this patch thing before I want to try any new version, I read enough from Fam. Origin users last year to last me a lifetime on troubles. I really have been very happy with Family Origins, but... well now I am frustrated! Any help and advice will be gladly accepted.

The very first thing I would do is go to the printer mfg web site and download the latest printer driver and if I had the most recent, reinstall the driver. If still no improvement, reinstall FOW. Al Patricia Proper wrote: > > Hi, I am back, and I need help! I have had lots of troubles printing a good > book. It all started about 5 or 6 months ago, and I am just not sure if it > is a computer command to my printer that has gone haywire, or if it is the > printer itself. I have adjusted until I am "blue in the face" so I need > expert opinions! When I do print off pages to a book, it rides high on the > page, but not every page. Very strange, I have adjusted everything I can > find to make a change, and it still does this to me. One or two pages out > of a book print just right, centered on the page, and then sometimes the > next page rides way off to wherever. What can I do to remedy this problem? > I use 6.0, believe I started at 3.0 or so, and upgraded 3 times! I am not > in any hurry to upgrade since I read all the "stuff" about 8.0". They will > have to take care of this patch thing before I want to try any new version, > I read enough from Fam. Origin users last year to last me a lifetime on > troubles. I really have been very happy with Family Origins, but... well > now I am frustrated! Any help and advice will be gladly accepted. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Okay David: About the only things I can answer on this forum: http://www.scoutstuff.org/ Good luck, Richard [A former Scoutmaster] At 04:30 PM 7/28/2001 -0600, you wrote: >#6 [FO] Scout Shop on the 'Net ["David E. Cann" <decann@infi.net>] > >______________________________X-Message: #6 >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 11:56:53 -0400 >From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infi.net> >To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <200107281156530030.0011DFAA@mail.mindspring.com> >Subject: [FO] Scout Shop on the 'Net >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Can anyone out there tell me if there is a place on the Internet to >purchase BSA uniforms and other items. Our council's Scout Shop has an >excellent store, but they are a long way off and in another state. Also, >on a related subject, is there somewhere I can send for a Scouting catalog >of such items? > >Thanks in advance for any help. > >David > >David E. Cann >Wood Badge Eagle 82-48-16 >Asst. District Commissioner, Aquia District >National Capital Area Council >E-mail: decann@infi.net > > >______________________________X-Message: #9 >Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2001 12:16:42 -0400 >From: "David E. Cann" <decann@infi.net> >To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <200107281216420990.002408B5@mail.mindspring.com> >Subject: Re: [FO] Scout Shop on the 'Net >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Woops!!! My sincere apologies, but I just posted a message on this list >that should have gone to another one. My apologies to Alfred and all >others concerned. Unfortunately, sometimes my fingers go faster on the >keyboard than my brain does, and when you subscribe to 6 or 7 lists, you >need to pay closer attention to how you address messages that you post. > >Again, my apologies. Talk about "off topic". . . . . . . . . . . <g> > >David > ><clip> > >MSgt David E. Cann, USMC (Ret'd) >Phone: 540-372-7868 >Fax: 540-372-7707 >E-mail: decann@infi.net >Family home page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~decann

unsubscribe In a message dated 7/27/2001 8:34:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com

Frank, The wordprocessor has to create the index in PDF format. Just go to the end of the PDF document , just below where it says "Index", then to the "Insert" menu item and select "index", choose the format and type you want and hit the OK button and there it is. Alfred -=========- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Henderson" <fhenders@twcny.rr.com> ------SNIP------ > And while I'm at it: Does anybody have a problem with FO creating a > report with an index in .rtf format and the index doesn't show up? > > Frank Henderson >