Now if there was an answer to "How did this get in my database?" - that would help. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne League" <wleague@mindspring.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Software Development Cycle > "Jesse Davis" <jespat@lcworkshop.com> wrote: > > >My request would be to have a way to find out how I am connected to > >anyone to whom I am not related. Does that make sense? > > Yes, it does make sense! > One way to discover that connection is to make two kinship lists; one > for you and one for the other person. > Then compare the two lists to find any persons present on both lists. > These will be your connection(s). > > Wayne League > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > >

I think that you have gotten the database corrupted in some way, sometimes it only takes hitting the right two keys in the wrong order to confuse these computers. Have you applied the patch? Some of the problems with Family Origins 9.0 are addressed in a program patch. This patch upgrades Family Origins 9.0 to 9.02, and is a free download of about 1MB found at: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm Once that is done, you can try again, but I don't think it will work right until you restore a backup. I wonder, if you had started a new instance of FOW after the shutdown what the system resources would have been. Most programs use very few resources when first started. Good Luck, Alfred ================ ----- Original Message ----- From: <sysite@swbell.net> > No other programs running in background except Antivirus, Zone Alarm, > a display manager, Explorer and the usual four or five Windows > 98-related files. FO9 is freezing and requires Control-Alt-Delete to > exit. Restarting machine and bringing up FO yields: system resources > 38% free; user resources 80% free, GDI resources 36% free. Exiting FO > and bringing up TMG yields 82%; 82%; 91% free. System is P2-266, 128 > ram, and 15 mb HD. This is the first time I have had this problem. Can > anyone offer a suggestion? > > Marilyn >

No other programs running in background except Antivirus, Zone Alarm, a display manager, Explorer and the usual four or five Windows 98-related files. FO9 is freezing and requires Control-Alt-Delete to exit. Restarting machine and bringing up FO yields: system resources 38% free; user resources 80% free, GDI resources 36% free. Exiting FO and bringing up TMG yields 82%; 82%; 91% free. System is P2-266, 128 ram, and 15 mb HD. This is the first time I have had this problem. Can anyone offer a suggestion? Marilyn

"Jesse Davis" <jespat@lcworkshop.com> wrote: >My request would be to have a way to find out how I am connected to >anyone to whom I am not related. Does that make sense? Yes, it does make sense! One way to discover that connection is to make two kinship lists; one for you and one for the other person. Then compare the two lists to find any persons present on both lists. These will be your connection(s). Wayne League

> If I may add my wish to this? > I would like the option to include all photos in all reports, if I want. > For instance, under the burial fact, i include a photo of the grave > stone, if I have it. When creating a descendent book, even with include > photo's checked, this photo is not included. I would like to be able to > include it when creating/printing the book. > Adding photo's ect to facts was a much welcomed addition for me but still needs a lot of developement to make it truly useful, so I second your wish. I would also like to see the option of printing any photo's which are attached to a place, when that place is used in a book report etc. It could be a check box in the book options and the photo's could even print at the end of the report like an appendix. Jeff > > > Alfred Eller wrote: > > > > Am I missing something in this thread? > > > > What kind of report do you want the "Include Photos" option > added to? It is > > already on the box charts and the hourglass tree charts, in the > Books and a > > few other places. > > > > You know, This is a family oriented list, > -- > John Chapman > "Fact gets in the way of truth!"... Cervantes > Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to FormalSoft@aol.com > for ordering information. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Hi Shirley et al., I just resubscribed to the list after a seven month absence. It's good to be back. You wrote: "I would much rather wait and order from Bruce than from anyone else and anxiously await a message as to when he will be taking orders." I just a few minutes ago ordered the v.10 update from the Family Origins website http://formalsoft.com They expect to ship by the end of this month. My apologies to all if this is "old news" to the list. Tom > I just subscribed to this list again....because of the Ver. 10 > announcement from Genealogy.com. > > I have just finished reading the archived messages (thank goodness for > that feature) and see that other people feel like I do. Thank you to > all who posted their feelings about waiting...I now know that I'm not > the only person that feels that way. > > I would much rather wait and order from Bruce than from anyone else and > anxiously await a message as to when he will be taking orders. > > Shirley (FO user since Ver. 1)

Some of the digests come with the messages as an attachment. The Virus-Discussion list is one. Cliff > Am I missing out on something? > > While I agree with everything Dick says (in both his > messages), I am > still puzzled as to what "Users information" is available as > attachments. It certainly cannot apply to this list, > or any other > Rootsweb list, because any attachments are blocked, so what > attachments are we talking about here? > > ------------------------------------------------------- > ----- > Jim Fisher in Luton, Beds, UK. > jim@jimella.co.uk > Personal site: http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/home.htm > Management accounting site: > http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/

My request may be something that I am too dumb about. I have a file with over 43,000 names in it. All are connected by Blood, marriage or adoption. I use the relationship to see how I am related to anyone and, of course, there are many I am not related to. My request would be to have a way to find out how I am connected to anyone to whom I am not related. Does that make sense? Thanks, Jess Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chapman" <johnjay@nycap.rr.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Software Development Cycle > If I may add my wish to this? > I would like the option to include all photos in all reports, if I want. > For instance, under the burial fact, i include a photo of the grave > stone, if I have it. When creating a descendent book, even with include > photo's checked, this photo is not included. I would like to be able to > include it when creating/printing the book. > > > > Alfred Eller wrote: > > > > Am I missing something in this thread? > > > > What kind of report do you want the "Include Photos" option added to? It is > > already on the box charts and the hourglass tree charts, in the Books and a > > few other places. > > > > You know, This is a family oriented list, > -- > John Chapman > "Fact gets in the way of truth!"... Cervantes > Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to FormalSoft@aol.com for ordering information. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/01

Remember that Outlook Express "sees" digests as attachments, but they are really the individual text messages. If one wants to remain on digest but not "open" the envelope icons, highlight the first item in the attachment field called "ATT" and then use control key/F3 button simultaneously. That will open up the message source and you can maximize the read the entire digest as one continuous message. I believe this method will also work in Juno. If not, then Juno users may prefer list mail since Juno (similar to AOL) may treat anything over a certain size as an attachment. Elaine (Outlook Express User) elainetm@home.com etm1935@yahoo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Eller" <adeller@santel.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Re: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D Digest V01 #254 > You can get the Family-Origins-Users messages in the regular way, each > message as it is received by the list, and there are no attachments > involved. The DIGEST list subscribers always get there messages as > attachments to an e-mail message. The messages from the list are certified > to be virus free, but, (and there is always one of these) In a person's > haste, he could get a message that LOOKS like it came from the list when it > did not, and that FAKE MESSAGE could POSSIBLY contain a virus. So you still > have to be a little bit careful. > > The real digest messages will be From: > FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > and the subject will be as follows, (the volume number increments with each > mailing) > Subject: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D Digest V01 #255 > > > Just be a little careful when opening your mail, You just never know when a > Ted Kazinski (sp?) could show up on the internet. > > If you would rather get the regular list, send me a note with your email > address and tell me to change it over. Or, you can do it yourself, by > unsubscribing from the digest and resubscribing to the regular list. > > >UNSUBSCRIBE from the DIGEST list, Send the word: > UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: > FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com > > Then to subscribe to the regular list: send the word > "SUBSCRIBE" and no other test to: > FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > the Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator > Alfred Eller > ================= > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Forrest B. Cheuvront Jr." <cheuvront@juno.com> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:54 AM > Subject: [FO] Re: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D Digest V01 #254 > > > > With all of the virus worms about, I do not open any attachments. > > If this is the only way for receipt of "Users" information, I'll need > > assurances the attachments are virus free. > > Forrest Cheuvront.

Should I or shouldn't I? Hmmmm. Nope, I guess I won't. >===== Original Message From "Jesse Davis" <jespat@lcworkshop.com> ===== >My request may be something that I am too dumb about. >I have a file with over 43,000 names in it. All are connected by >Blood, marriage or adoption. >I use the relationship to see how I am related to anyone and, of >course, there are many I am not related to. >My request would be to have a way to find out how I am connected to >anyone to whom I am not related. Does that make sense? >Thanks, >Jess Davis >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Chapman" <johnjay@nycap.rr.com> >To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 10:37 AM >Subject: Re: [FO] Software Development Cycle > > >> If I may add my wish to this? >> I would like the option to include all photos in all reports, if I >want. >> For instance, under the burial fact, i include a photo of the grave >> stone, if I have it. When creating a descendent book, even with >include >> photo's checked, this photo is not included. I would like to be >able to >> include it when creating/printing the book. >> >> >> >> Alfred Eller wrote: >> > >> > Am I missing something in this thread? >> > >> > What kind of report do you want the "Include Photos" option added >to? It is >> > already on the box charts and the hourglass tree charts, in the >Books and a >> > few other places. >> > >> > You know, This is a family oriented list, >> -- >> John Chapman >> "Fact gets in the way of truth!"... Cervantes >> Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ >> >> >> ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >> GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO >> http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to FormalSoft@aol.com for >ordering information. >> >> ============================== >> Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >> Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >> >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.265 / Virus Database: 137 - Release Date: 7/18/01 > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >Searchable ARCHIVES - (might wrap so you have to type in part of the name, or copy and paste) >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-US ERS > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog Take Care -- Paul

You can get the Family-Origins-Users messages in the regular way, each message as it is received by the list, and there are no attachments involved. The DIGEST list subscribers always get there messages as attachments to an e-mail message. The messages from the list are certified to be virus free, but, (and there is always one of these) In a person's haste, he could get a message that LOOKS like it came from the list when it did not, and that FAKE MESSAGE could POSSIBLY contain a virus. So you still have to be a little bit careful. The real digest messages will be From: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com and the subject will be as follows, (the volume number increments with each mailing) Subject: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D Digest V01 #255 Just be a little careful when opening your mail, You just never know when a Ted Kazinski (sp?) could show up on the internet. If you would rather get the regular list, send me a note with your email address and tell me to change it over. Or, you can do it yourself, by unsubscribing from the digest and resubscribing to the regular list. >UNSUBSCRIBE from the DIGEST list, Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com Then to subscribe to the regular list: send the word "SUBSCRIBE" and no other test to: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com the Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator Alfred Eller ================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Forrest B. Cheuvront Jr." <cheuvront@juno.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 7:54 AM Subject: [FO] Re: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D Digest V01 #254 > With all of the virus worms about, I do not open any attachments. > If this is the only way for receipt of "Users" information, I'll need > assurances the attachments are virus free. > Forrest Cheuvront. >

Janelle Holmes <wildair@texas.net> wrote: >Bruce, it wasn't mentioned in the features of Ver. 10 on the "other" >website or on the formalsoft one, but did you ever incorporate an Undo >feature on the Merge window? I don't believe you will be seeing this, Janelle. But the best undo for a merge operation is a backup of your database just before you start the process. And I believe FO now gives you a query screen that asks if you want to backup whenever you start a merge operation. So, in effect, you already have an optional undo feature in FO for merging (or any other operation where you choose to backup before you do it)! Wayne League

Derick <derickh@charter.net> wrote: >When merging a long list of duplicates, I wish FO would create a log of >those merged. Heres another suggestion: Before you combine a gedcom file into your database that will require a lot of merging, first add a unique general note phrase to every individual in the gedcom file. You can do this with the little program called "addnote" that you can download from http://www.rootsweb.com/~gumby/ged.html After the gedcom file has been combined into your database, use the "find" feature and next button to find each instance of your note phrase in turn to see if that individual needs merging or his facts edited, and then delete the note phrase. When the note phrase can no longer be found, the job is complete. Wayne League

"Paul Smith" <prsmith@pdq.net> wrote: >Following ancestral lines in the pedigree is easy, you just >click on the right arrows until you get to the end of the >chosen line. Following the path back down, however, is a >bit more complex since there can be multiple lines from a >given ancestor. One convenient and undocumented feature of FO concerning this topic is the fact that when you step backward in the tree view, back to an ancient ancestor, and then you step forward again, FO will ALWAYS follow the same path going forward that you originally took going back to get there and will always return you to the same focus person that you started with. I think FO must mark a "current child" in each family as it steps backward and it chooses that "current child" again when it steps forward to each family. Try it - - - it works! This is most convenient when finding all of one's earliest ancestors in each line. First you step backward along the top of the pedigree tree as far as you can go for the first earliest ancestor. Then you step forward to the next line branch and go back up that line. You continue going backward and forward, each time back up a different line until you have found the beginning of every line! This is the first step in extracting a gedcom file containing only the kin of a particular focus person. (While waiting on Bruce to give us a kinship selection option.) Wayne League

It should not be necessary for us to have to resort to some contrived system of symbols to mark linear ancestry. I am using up arrows for my paternal lineage and asterisks for maternal PLUS a pound sign to indicate multiple lines. What happens, however, if I want one of my sons to be the root person (or send my database to him. Now, the markings are meaningless since my maternal ancestry is now part of his paternal ancestry. The system needs to be dynamic. Paul >===== Original Message From Janelle Holmes <wildair@texas.net> ===== >I believe many of us use some kind of symbol either after the surname, >before the surname or after or before the given name. These are easily >seen in the list of children when going "backwards". And if you send a >report to someone, they can also easily see your line. Myself, i use a >^ after the given name. This way, the surnames all still sort with the >given names in alphabetical order. If I put the ^ before or after the >surname, the explore list will sort with all the Surname^ or ^Surname at >the top of the list, which if I do a search on a particular person will >mean they won't show up in the usual place with everyone else of that >surname. Same reason for not putting the ^ before the given name. They >will sort at the first of the alphabetical listing of given names for >that particular surname. >-- >Janelle Holmes >Wildair Kennels >Dripping Springs, TX > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com or FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com for DIGEST > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library Take Care -- Paul

Based upon some of the responses, most of you are missing the point in dealing with this potential problem. Dealing with a potential virus is very similar to driving a car. You have multiple choices on how to protect yourself. Consider the following analogy: Your approaching your destination. Now to stop you can: 1. Drive in normally and use the brakes. This is possible because you learned how to operated the car and understand what you are doing. You still have all the other protection devices just in case. 2. Turn off the ignition and coast to a stop. You will be somewhere in the neighborhood of your destination, maybe. This is like using old anti virus software.You will be OK most of the time, but there is a chance of problems. 3. Drive into a fixed object and let that stop the car, using the air bag to protect you. This is like trusting something like software to protect you. You accept anything and trust an external force to keep you safe. 4. Same as above, but you did not replace the air bag after your last outing. This is just like not trying to protect yourself at all or not paying attention. There is another choice, you can just jump out of the car as it passes the destination. That is about the same as giving up on your computer and giving it away. Your best defense is between your ears. Use it and understand what you are doing. So far, nothing has come close to Brain Power and Education. Rely on yourself and keep the other tools as backup's. Dick

When merging a long list of duplicates, I wish FO would create a log of those merged. Since it doesn't, I create my own with cut-and-paste, toggling between my word processor and FO. I take the merge-to name and record number and create a list so that I can go into these records and reconcile the duplicate facts. --Derick

Hi all I have not ordered my upgrade to V10 (yes I know, I should be thrown off the list) truth is there does not appear to be anything in it for me. I can already print to Acrobat etc. I do like what seems to be the introduction of date stamping but would like to see how this will work first. Bruce does not appear to have included any screen shots on the web site explaining the new features like he did last year, so would users please give me their feedback on the new features either directly or trought the list once they receive their copy (don't want to be missing anything) Thanks Jeff

Hi all I have not ordered my upgrade to V10 (yes I know, I should be thrown off the list) truth is there does not appear to be anything in it for me. I can already print to Acrobat etc. I do like what seems to be the introduction of date stamping but would like to see how this will work first. Bruce does not appear to have included any screen shots on the web site explaining the new features like he did last year, so would users please give me their feedback on the new features either directly or trought the list once they receive their copy (don't want to be missing anything) Thanks Jeff

Wayne, That worked out beautifully. Thanks for your help. Now I will have another week or two of work just editing these marriages :-). James W. Elting Elting Family Genealogist -----Original Message----- From: Wayne League [mailto:wleague@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:14 PM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FO] Marriage Records "James Elting" <James.W.Elting@eltingweb.com> wrote: >Is there a way to identify (in a custom report) all people who have multiple >marriage records? You can do this with a facts usage list from the reports lists tab. Choose the marriage fact and only those with more than one of this fact. Or choose anyone with this fact and compare that with the marriage list from the same menu. Wayne League ______________________________