Are we getting anxious, Mr. Bremer, hmmmmm? Okay, so am I <g>. It would not upset me at all if it showed up in my mailbox someday soon, but then patience never has been my most notable characteristic. David *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 08/20/2001, at 12:38 PM, TBremersr@aol.com wrote: >Hi folks, > >That magic date has arrived, August 20. Does anyone know if FO10, and its >book, have been shipped yet by FormalSoft? > <snip> MSgt David E. Cann, USMC (Ret'd) Phone: 540-372-7868 Fax: 540-372-7707 E-mail: decann@infi.net Family home page: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~decann

My son in Texas is doing research on the same lines as I am and we are both entering information into a mutual copy of the same data base in FO 9. Is there a way that we can each know what new information we have each entered when we exchange GEDCOM's or backup disks? Or how should we do this exchange of new information? Any help will be appreciated. Duane Fronk

RHIP <BWG> >===== Original Message From "Alfred Eller" <adeller@santel.net> ===== >hello list, > >This all reminds me of a story that I heard, way back when Bruce was just a >baby. > >It is best told to a room full of people, and it starts out like this: > >John, the old farmer was driving his donkey to town on a hot day and the >donkey asked if he could have a drink of water. (This donkey talks.) >John said "Patience, you ass." >A half mile later the donkey again asks for a drink of water, and again John >says, "Patience, you ass." > >You keep repeating that last line long enough and finally someone will say >something, like "Why don't you get on with it", or "Give the poor donkey a >drink" > >To which the teller replies, "Patience, you ass!" >------------------------- > >Not directed to anyone in particular, except that Ted gets picked on for >asking first. I thought of today, being the 20th and the release date and >just knew that someone would mention it. (I actually thought of the story >before Ted's post got here. I am sorry that my mind works that way, I just >can't hepit.) > >You might think this is off subject, but I call it an analogy. > >The Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator >Alfred D Eller > > > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

In a message dated 8/20/2001 2:19:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, eroge@qnet.com writes: > Is it compatible with Windows Me? > Yes. - Bruce http://formalsoft.com - Family Origins genealogy software http://family-reunion.com - Plan the perfect family reunion

We work with a colleague on a large database (100,000+)of Lutheran immigrants from Westphalia to Fort Wayne, Indiana, and their descendants. The only good way we have found is to designate one database the "master" database. In our case, his is the main database and while we add to ours as we go, he makes the official additions and changes. It's just too confusing and too easy to end up with duplicate information otherwise. Richard and Linda Scheimann On Mon, 20 August 2001, "Duane Fronk" wrote: > > My son in Texas is doing research on the same lines as I am and we are both entering information into a mutual copy of the same data base in FO 9. Is there a way that we can each know what new information we have each entered when we exchange GEDCOM's or backup disks? Or how should we do this exchange of new information? Any help will be appreciated. > > Duane Fronk > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp _________________________________________________________________ iVillage.com: Solutions for Your Life Check out the most exciting women's community on the Web http://www.ivillage.com

hello list, This all reminds me of a story that I heard, way back when Bruce was just a baby. It is best told to a room full of people, and it starts out like this: John, the old farmer was driving his donkey to town on a hot day and the donkey asked if he could have a drink of water. (This donkey talks.) John said "Patience, you ass." A half mile later the donkey again asks for a drink of water, and again John says, "Patience, you ass." You keep repeating that last line long enough and finally someone will say something, like "Why don't you get on with it", or "Give the poor donkey a drink" To which the teller replies, "Patience, you ass!" ------------------------- Not directed to anyone in particular, except that Ted gets picked on for asking first. I thought of today, being the 20th and the release date and just knew that someone would mention it. (I actually thought of the story before Ted's post got here. I am sorry that my mind works that way, I just can't hepit.) You might think this is off subject, but I call it an analogy. The Family-Origins-Users-Mailing list administrator Alfred D Eller

In a message dated 8/20/2001 10:37:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, TBremersr@aol.com writes: > That magic date has arrived, August 20. Does anyone know if FO10, and its > book, have been shipped yet by FormalSoft? > That "magic" date is when the program is supposed to ship to us (FormalSoft). We anticipate shipping it by the end of the week. - Bruce http://formalsoft.com - Family Origins genealogy software http://family-reunion.com - Plan the perfect family reunion

Is it compatible with Windows Me? Clark Rogers At 12:43 PM 8/20/2001, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/20/2001 10:37:28 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >TBremersr@aol.com writes: > > > That magic date has arrived, August 20. Does anyone know if FO10, and its > > book, have been shipped yet by FormalSoft? > > > >That "magic" date is when the program is supposed to ship to us (FormalSoft). > We anticipate shipping it by the end of the week. > >- Bruce >http://formalsoft.com - Family Origins genealogy software >http://family-reunion.com - Plan the perfect family reunion > > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All >messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space. > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Hi folks, That magic date has arrived, August 20. Does anyone know if FO10, and its book, have been shipped yet by FormalSoft? Ted Bremer Sr TBremerSr@aol.com

Anne C Bowden wrote: > RAM memory seems to me to be at a record low price right now: Yesterday, > I paid 12.45 for a 64 meg DIMM chip, and 17.45 for a 128 meg chip. 256 > was 34.50, I think. Anyone else remember in late 1995 when 8 meg chips > were $264 and 32 meg chips were $1,000??? At least it was in San Diego > area. ============== My first computer was a Commodore 64, which denoted 64k of memory. Then I bought an IBM clone with 640k of memory. The idea was that they would make a computer with ten times as much memory as the Commodore because nobody could ever possibly need more that 640k of RAM. right! Now I have 256 meg of RAM, and I wonder how long that will be "standard". Jim

Here is some food for thought: 1. The GEDCOM standards for this fact define it as an individual fact. 2. It is not uncommon for members of the same family to live at different residences, many times in a different city or country. I have this happening on several branches of my own tree in England, Ireland, Germany, and the US clear back into the late 1700's. 3. What constitutes a family? In my records I have the traditional mom, pop, and children, extended families where grandchildren, uncles, aunts, or an aging parent is within the residence. Many times, children are removed from a residence for schooling or apprenticeships. What I am pointing out is the concept of a family is dynamic. With this being the situation, a computer program cannot attach a fact to these individuals (family members) with any accuracy. Should you still desire a Family Fact, define your own using the User Defined Facts capability. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. B. von Ting" <dting@MonDesir.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: [FO] Resided at fact > Hello all, > > Is there a way to make the "Resided at" fact a family fact instead of an > individual fact. If there isn't, I think it would be a good item for the > wish list. I don't want to have to enter the exact same data at least > twice. For people who don't move often this might not be a problem, but, > as an example, my wife and I have resided at seventeen different locations > since 1957 and I have short notes about each residence and sometimes photos > to attach. > > As a matter of fact, my whole family seems to move frequently. Many of them > were itinerant teachers, never in one place/school for more than about three > years. > > Dennis at Table Rock > e-mail: dting@MonDesir.net > Listowner: Guthridge-L@rootsweb.com , > Level-L@rootsweb.com & Ting-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Very basic Windows: http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/created4/COMPUTERBASICS.html > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

No, you can't make the Resided fact into a Family fact, but: I created a user defined FAMILY fact (user defined facts don't always transfer nicely to other programs in GEDCOMS) named "Lived at", and one called "moved to" and recorded some of the places we lived and the times my parents moved when I was little. I liked the way the "Moved to" reads on the book report. It says "They moved on 1 Mar 1944 to Round Lake, MN" (I selected "They" and wrote "moved" in for the sentence structure) the lived at or resided at should take from and to dates which get a bit cumbersome if you have many residences. Try it, on one or two people to see how you like it, if you don't, delete the facts, then delete the fact types. It writes the lines if I do a descendant book on either of my Grandfathers, and I only had to enter each move once. Good Luck, Alfred ================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. B. von Ting" <dting@MonDesir.net> > Hello all, > > Is there a way to make the "Resided at" fact a family fact instead of an > individual fact. If there isn't, I think it would be a good item for the > wish list. I don't want to have to enter the exact same data at least > twice. For people who don't move often this might not be a problem, but, > as an example, my wife and I have resided at seventeen different locations > since 1957 and I have short notes about each residence and sometimes photos > to attach. > > As a matter of fact, my whole family seems to move frequently. Many of them > were itinerant teachers, never in one place/school for more than about three > years. > > Dennis at Table Rock

RAM memory seems to me to be at a record low price right now: Yesterday, I paid 12.45 for a 64 meg DIMM chip, and 17.45 for a 128 meg chip. 256 was 34.50, I think. Anyone else remember in late 1995 when 8 meg chips were $264 and 32 meg chips were $1,000??? At least it was in San Diego area. Our favorite computer place is NetEdge in Escondido: nice guys, treat you and your computer right, too. I could go on and on about them, but they get all our hardware and repair work, and would, even if we didn't live about 6 miles away. www.netedge.com and they do sell on the Internet. Anne Bowden: Researching Clark, Pittard, Sheppard, Tanner, Cole, Thigpen, Bruce http://www.geocities.com/Pittard3/ Alternate address: pittard@excite.com God put me on earth to do a certain number of things.. Right now I'm so far behind, I will never die! ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hello all, Is there a way to make the "Resided at" fact a family fact instead of an individual fact. If there isn't, I think it would be a good item for the wish list. I don't want to have to enter the exact same data at least twice. For people who don't move often this might not be a problem, but, as an example, my wife and I have resided at seventeen different locations since 1957 and I have short notes about each residence and sometimes photos to attach. As a matter of fact, my whole family seems to move frequently. Many of them were itinerant teachers, never in one place/school for more than about three years. Dennis at Table Rock e-mail: dting@MonDesir.net Listowner: Guthridge-L@rootsweb.com , Level-L@rootsweb.com & Ting-L@rootsweb.com

Whether or not you have RamBooster installed (I use FreeMem Pro and it works quite well - maybe somebody out there can give us a comparison of the two?), you should check your Virtual Memory settings. Virtual Memory is hard drive space that is set aside to be used by the operating system when your local memory gets full. It's kind of like a spare gas tank. The following are the steps to check/change Virtual Memory. The minimum settings were given to me by a man who runs a very large, world-wide network and who I trust unquestioningly so I am confident they will work for you. These instructions are for Windows 2000 but I think you'll find them close enough that you can do the job even if you're running Win 3.1, 95, 98 or NT. 'Start' 'Settings' 'Control Panel' 'System' 'Advanced' 'Performance Options' In the Virtual Memory box, click the 'Change' button In the Virtual Memory screen that opens, the initial size (MB) should be no less than 2 1/2 times your installed memory and the Maximum size should be no less than four times installed memory. e.g. for 64 MB of installed memory, Initial/Maximum sizes should be 160 MB and 256 MB minimum. Remember that your system has other resources that it can run out of so more Virtual Memory is not necessarily better. You'll end up with wasted disk space that the system can't use anyway because it doesn't have enough resources to run it all. -- Happy Hunting!! -- Paul Houston, TX, USA ICQ #73314929 Researching: VA - WHITE,LIPSCOMB,HILL,JOHNSON,SAUNDERS, TALBOT,TATE,EVANS NC - SMITH, BOSWELL, RHODES, CAPEHART,MORRIS, MARSHE, BRITT,SHAW View my American Ancestry at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~paulrsmith **************** FREE Credit Card Referral Program. Quick money AND residual, lifetime income! CHECK IT OUT !! http://smithecomservices.tripod.com *************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Stokes" <jstokes@houston.rr.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:49 AM Subject: [FO] RamBooster and FO > I just quit my database. 2 databases open. Lots of dragging and dropping and editing. > > No Whiteout problem at all. The RamBooster monitor at the bottom was sort of fun. > > Betty > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com or FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-D-request@rootsweb.com for DIGEST > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

If the mistakes are in the IGI, it is harder to correct -- in fact, near impossible. If the mistakes are in the Ancestral File or Pedigree Resource File you can make corrections by submitting corrections or new submissions. The current word is that Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File will be combined into a new file in the next year or so...or so. Ancestral File will probably not be updated now and it is best to make corrections by submitting to Pedigree Resource File by GEDCOM uploaded through familysearch.org Just go to the site and check out the details/requirements. http://familysearch.org/Eng/Share/Preserve/frameset_preserve.asp In Pedigree Resource File you just submit your file and no one can correct or change it, which hasn't been the case with Ancestral File which has become to be known as the "Opinion File". There may be differences in Pedigree Resource File but no one can change what you submit and you cannot change what someone else submits. People can look at various submissions and decide what is right by guess, by your documentation or by research. If you include your documentation (notes and sources) they can look at that. Some people prefer not to include their notes and sources and would rather have people contact them. I'm sure the info there is used in all sorts of ways.......... Trudy Lundy > Betty Stokes wrote: > > > In searching FamilySearch (LDS website), I find mistakes in some of my families. I have documentation to prove the corrections. I read over the ways to submit corrections, but most use PAF or go to the LDS local library. > > > > Can these corrections be prepared and sent using Family Origins? If so, what are the requirements? > > =========== > > Betty, > > I will assume that the reocrds you are speaking of are in the Ancestral File program. If so, the accuracy of any records there is the responsibility of the person who submitts them, and no doubt they contain their share of > mistakes. > > You can submit your records and they will be included in the Ancestral File program also, but the LDS Church will not "correct" the others, because they give equal credibility to all information submitted. Records can be > submitted to Ancestral File on a 3 1/2 inch floppy in a GEDCOM format made by most any genealogy program. > > Jim > > ______________________________

I just quit my database. 2 databases open. Lots of dragging and dropping and editing. No Whiteout problem at all. The RamBooster monitor at the bottom was sort of fun. Betty

Well Wayne - I downloaded Ram Booster and it is really fun so far. I an doing quite a bit of dragging and dropping - one of the worst things I have found that causes the whiteout condition. I have a 40 page descendant report from a descendant from another branch (using 4 line ). My descendant report on this family runs 31 pages, but we have different length branches for different children in the family. We tend to have the same information with few exceptions for the earlier members of the family. Some places I have chosen to drag and drop and merge the affected families and others, enter manually minor differences. Some, I am able to drop a couple of pages worth of folks from one child. So far, when the number drops below a certain level - I have been writing some of the numbers down, so I think it must be around 3000 Kb (the lowest number I have down is 3136), it flashes a little red spot (not really a spot, a red square with RB on it, but really fast and the number goes back up - in one instance, I have this number written 3576 to 5132. I'll keep you posted. But so far it seems to be helping. I don't think I need to set it - so far. I may fiddle with it later, but so far, I'm doing fine. I still have FO open (minimized) as I write. It fluctuates between the 3000 - 5000 (more like 34 something to 54 something as I type. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne League" <wleague@mindspring.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [FO] White Out > "Betty Stokes" <jstokes@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > >I hope the problem with the "white out" has been fixed. I mean the one > >where, after a good bit of editing, the tool bar fades and the program > >locks. > > If you are experiencing this problem and it really is a memory problem > as is suspected, then using "RamBooster" should alleviate the problem. > Rambooster runs in the tray and restores memory whenever it falls > below a certain point that you can specify. It is free and can be > found at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~borg/rambooster/ > > Wayne League > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm > ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

"Betty Stokes" <jstokes@houston.rr.com> wrote: >I hope the problem with the "white out" has been fixed. I mean the one >where, after a good bit of editing, the tool bar fades and the program >locks. If you are experiencing this problem and it really is a memory problem as is suspected, then using "RamBooster" should alleviate the problem. Rambooster runs in the tray and restores memory whenever it falls below a certain point that you can specify. It is free and can be found at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~borg/rambooster/ Wayne League

I believe the problem is not regular memory (RAM), but video RAM. I guess this program just puts huge demands on the video system. Therefore, the data being input is not affected. I've found that if I don't (at least for my machine) open more than two windows for extended periods of time, of four windows for short periods, then it's not a problem. The first thing to "white out" is the tool bar. If you stop editing there and exit the program you'll be OK; otherwise, if you keep editing, it'll lock up and you'll eventually have to reboot the whole machine. And I have RAMBoost too, which does help. Don't get me wrong, I love FOW. I just know I have to work around this problem, which has existed ever since the program became windows based. FYI, I have a 300 Mhz Dell Latitude laptop with 128K RAM. -- Randy Jones --- Derick <derickh@charter.net> wrote: > I believe this is a problem with the way Windows > allocates memory. > Multi-table databases are notorious memory hogs. > This is another reason why > so many folks sing the praises of Unix. Family > Origins is merely operating > in the Windows environment, utilizing the memory > locations as allotted by > Windows. > > You are probably experiencing the same problems many > of us have while > merging records between two databases. Frustrating, > to be sure. > > --Derick > > > At 06:02 PM 8/18/01, Betty Stokes wrote: > >I hope the problem with the "white out" has been > fixed. I mean the one > >where, after a good bit of editing, the tool bar > fades and the program > >locks. Exiting the program and returning fixes it. > I have not experienced > >any problem with normal operating. No loss of data. > Mostly, it is when > >there is more than one database open. We had this > problem in Version 8 > >also. I mean after the patches. And on more than > one computer. With > >Windows 98 and Windows ME. With 128 memory and > plenty of room on the hard > >drive. I know others have had this problem also. > > > >I hate to bring this up too often, because, even > with the problem, FO is > >still my program. It was a little scarry at first > and now it is just annoying. > > > >Betty > > > > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > >Searchable ARCHIVES - (might wrap so you have to > type in part of the name, > >or copy and paste) > >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and > enjoy access to the #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The "Family Origins� Wish List" > http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm > ??? FAQ ??? -- > http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/