WoW! Wayne I am beginning to feel like the new kid on the block..I just did some checking and that is the file number FTW gives every person in the data base..Good thing I am stubborn or I would give up this stupid idea of unifying stuff in my files..Anyway thank you again Sandra the stubborn Aquarian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne League" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Sources problem > "Sandra E. T. Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > in the comments place I found > >various versions of this > >@[email protected] > >Just what the heck is this thing, Please? > > I'll betcha this thing came from importing an FTM gedcom file, didn't > it? Family Tree Maker uses this method of referencing for notes and > source notes. FO will recognize this type of reference for general > notes but it will not recognize it in a source. FO thinks the > reference is the comment. > But the comment is still in the gedcom file. You can use your text > editor to open the gedcom file and find this code, NS214741, near the > end of your gedcom file and there you can see the comment that is > supposed to be in the source. > > Wayne League > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to [email protected] for ordering information. >

Ok, so everything must be identical but in the comments place I found various versions of this @[email protected] Just what the heck is this thing, Please? SANDRA TYLER DUNCAN Sacramento,CA http://www.gencircles.com/users/purplevw1/1/ http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogysleuthb.htm all my mail scanned by Norton Below is the only place that will accept attachments [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne League" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Sources problem > "Sandra E. T. Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >I just tried that pasting thing but I still cannot get the same exact > >sources to merge, IMHO I think it is because they are linked to different > >people but then I am not a FOW expert so I am hoping to learn that very > >thing on this list > > It makes no difference at all who they are linked to. > > If they won't merge then they are not identical ... even tho they may > look identical, one may have one or more invisible characters such as > a space that the other doesn't have. > To force them to merge you must go to each field in turn in the one > source and highlight the whole field by either click and drag across > the entire thing, or you can set the cursor at the beginning of the > field and press CRTL SHIFT END to highlight the entire field including > all leading and ending spaces and then press CTRL C to copy that > field. Then go to the same field in the other source, highlight the > entire field in the same way and press CRTL V to paste the previously > copied field. After you do that with every field in the source, then > press the merge button in the source manager while the source is > highlighted and then they will indeed merge. > > When you merge sources and one is cited by different people than the > other, the merged source will be cited by all the people who > originally cited both sources. > > Sometimes you may find that a person will cite the same source more > than one time. In this case you must go to the person and remove the > extra citings of the same source. To find out who uses each source, > highlight a source in the source manager and press the print button > there. You should check for this on all sources you merge. > > Wayne League > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. >

Thanks to Peggy and Wayne for their replies - Peggy, I have just done an investigation, putting in a Baptism, a Christening and an Adult Christening. My results indicated, naturally, the Family Group Sheet showed all - the Descendants List (the one of most interest to me and the one I give to most wanting general information) does not show any of them; the Pedigree Chart shows the Christening only, but not the Baptism or Adult Christening; the Box Chart is the same as the Pedigree Chart and the Ahnentafel shows nothing. I went to my trusty school dictionary (Conscise Oxford, 1950 edition) to see if it would help regarding the difference between the Baptism and Christening and it gave the latter as "admit as Christian by baptism" and "administer baptism". So to me they appear to be synonymous. Therefore why not treat "christening" and "baptism" as the same for genealogy computer purposes in the case of the preparation of reports, and not differently as at present. If that can't be accepted, allow all reports to show the christening details, if the birth dates are not given. Datewise, I am not talking about modern times but 150 years back and more - many will have some ancestors in the 1500s to 1700s. Obviously "adult christening (like my dad at about 50) and baptism" is a different situation. Hoping something satisfactory will be included in Rootsmate. Peter - down under. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne League" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Rootsmate - a wish > Peter & Glenis Gibbs <[email protected]> wrote: > > >my wish is that if a birth date is not entered, > >but a baptism date is, that the reports, where appropriate, will show the > >latter. > > FO already does that with the christening date. > You wouldn't want it with the baptism date because that can occur at > any time during a person's lifetime. > > Wayne League > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ >

[email protected] wrote: > > In the churches I am familiar with, Christening or Blessing is for the > purpose of giving the baby a name for church records. > > Baptism comes later - in our church when the baby becomes eight years old. > > Virginia > Virginia, Different churches use the terms differently. I have Baptismal Certificates for my Mother and her siblings, all Baptised within a day or two of their birth (Catholic Baptisms) and all clearly called Baptism. None are called Christening. IMO, there is no way to apply any rule to the use of the two terms, since they are both used so many different ways by so many different people. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Lois, Are you restoring the CD backup or are you trying to open from the CD? Files that are placed on a CD-RW are Read only. They must first be placed in a directory on your hard drive, then opened with FOW using an empty database. find the ".fow" file and open that with Family Origins. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com/ --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "We will not waiver, we will not tire, we will not falter --- and we will not fail. Peace and Freedom will prevail." --- President George W. Bush --- 7 October 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:21 PM Subject: [FO] still a question I'm the one who asked about making a backup of F.O. to a CD. I can make the copy but then can't open it. I'd like to thank all who tried to help but I STILL CAN'T DO IT. (sorry, didn't mean to yell, I'm just upset.) I copied it to a floppy last night, when I tried to open it I got a page full of icons, one with the green tree, one with FTP extension, and one with DBF extension. Also lots with no extensions that I can tell. IF I click on the gree tree icon I get Codebase error. error #60, then error #90615 opening file file 4 open. I then clck OK and get error #935 and error #94001 Null imput parameter unexpected d4 field. Fatal application. If I click on any of the other icons I get "Windows cannot open this file...needs to know what program created it." I am using F.O. ver. 7.0. I tried someone's suggestion of exporting it as a gedcom to the floppy and that worked - but I got it back as ver. 9.0 which looks totally different and is on a peach colored background. It has a timeline which I like but I can't get a decent ancestor chart, just big box charts or fan charts. Has the original plain and simple working chart - no boxes just lines - been left out of the newer versions? Also I can't seem to get the horizontal chart where you enter the names and than add parents, etc. Is this done differently in ver. 9.0. Help. Someone said to use "restore" but I can't restore ver 7.0 which is the one I use and like. I'm more confused than ever but trying to think positive. Lois _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: [email protected] or [email protected] for DIGEST

In the churches I am familiar with, Christening or Blessing is for the purpose of giving the baby a name for church records. Baptism comes later - in our church when the baby becomes eight years old. Virginia

I'm the one who asked about making a backup of F.O. to a CD. I can make the copy but then can't open it. I'd like to thank all who tried to help but I STILL CAN'T DO IT. (sorry, didn't mean to yell, I'm just upset.) I copied it to a floppy last night, when I tried to open it I got a page full of icons, one with the green tree, one with FTP extension, and one with DBF extension. Also lots with no extensions that I can tell. IF I click on the gree tree icon I get Codebase error. error #60, then error #90615 opening file file 4 open. I then clck OK and get error #935 and error #94001 Null imput parameter unexpected d4 field. Fatal application. If I click on any of the other icons I get "Windows cannot open this file...needs to know what program created it." I am using F.O. ver. 7.0. I tried someone's suggestion of exporting it as a gedcom to the floppy and that worked - but I got it back as ver. 9.0 which looks totally different and is on a peach colored background. It has a timeline which I like but I can't get a decent ancestor chart, just big box charts or fan charts. Has the original plain and simple working chart - no boxes just lines - been left out of the newer versions? Also I can't seem to get the horizontal chart where you enter the names and than add parents, etc. Is this done differently in ver. 9.0. Help. Someone said to use "restore" but I can't restore ver 7.0 which is the one I use and like. I'm more confused than ever but trying to think positive. Lois _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

You cannot OPEN a backup file. You open Family Origins with no database loaded, or close the database that is open. Then go to the file menu and click on RESTORE. You then get a chance to find the folder that holds the backup file, then you get a chance to select the folder that you want the newly restored backup to be in. Once you do the RESTORE, the backup becomes a regular database, but if you restore in the same folder that your original is in, it will overwrite the original. That is what you want if the original is bad, but if you are just testing a backup, you probably want it restored in a new, empty folder. Maybe the "Saving a NewFile" topic here can help a little: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm The full page of icons that you see when you tried to open the backup must be the database files. Family Origins uses 35 files for one database. The Family Origins backup takes those 35 files and compresses them into one ZIP file which uses much less disk space. If you use a file compression/decompression program, like WinZip or PKZip to uncompress one of these backup files, you will get the original 35 files that make up the database. The only way that you can get a GEDCOM back as version 9 is if you have version 9 on your computer. AND, it sounds like version 9 of Family Tree Maker, not Family Origins. Family Origins will not open a GEDCOM if you double click on it, but FTM will. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: [FO] still a question > I'm the one who asked about making a backup of F.O. to a CD. I can make the > copy but then can't open it. I'd like to thank all who tried to help but I > STILL CAN'T DO IT. (sorry, didn't mean to yell, I'm just upset.) I copied > it to a floppy last night, when I tried to open it I got a page full of > icons, one with the green tree, one with FTP extension, and one with DBF > extension. Also lots with no extensions that I can tell. > > IF I click on the gree tree icon I get Codebase error. error #60, then > error #90615 opening file file 4 open. I then clck OK and get error #935 > and error #94001 Null imput parameter unexpected d4 field. Fatal > application. If I click on any of the other icons I get "Windows cannot > open this file...needs to know what program created it." > > I am using F.O. ver. 7.0. I tried someone's suggestion of exporting it as a > gedcom to the floppy and that worked - but I got it back as ver. 9.0 which > looks totally different and is on a peach colored background. It has a > timeline which I like but I can't get a decent ancestor chart, just big box > charts or fan charts. Has the original plain and simple working chart - no > boxes just lines - been left out of the newer versions? Also I can't seem > to get the horizontal chart where you enter the names and than add parents, > etc. Is this done differently in ver. 9.0. > > Help. Someone said to use "restore" but I can't restore ver 7.0 which is > the one I use and like. I'm more confused than ever but trying to think > positive. > > Lois > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: [email protected] or [email protected] for DIGEST >

"Peter M. Morris" <[email protected]> wrote: >Perhaps someone can help me: I recently erred and re-imported a Gedcom file >(with resources). I merged all of the duplicate records, but the duplicate >sources stubbornly refuse to merge. Is there some other method to remove the >duplicate sources without laboriously checking each one for usage throughout >the database? When you import and combine a gedcom into your FO10 database, you should run the smart merge routine with all boxes checked. Besides smart merge it includes merging sources, repositories, and globally unique ID. If you have backups that will take you back to the point just before you imported the gedcom file, it might be quicker to do that, re-import the gedcom file again and this time run the smart merge to merge the sources. But, back to the place you are now, you don't need to check for usage before merging sources. For each source you highlight in the source manager that has an exact duplicate, you can click on the merge button there in the source manager to merge them and all people or events that cite either source will be combined under the merged source. For sources that you know are duplicates but will not merge, you will need to make them identical by copying and pasting the fields from one to the other until they are exactly identical. FO10 has a glitch in this area where you have combined and merged duplicates but did not run the merge sources in the smart merge and subsequently did some more operations before getting around to merging the sources ..... in that case some of the duplicate sources that are really identical may not merge when the merge button in the source manager is clicked. Sometimes when that happens you can open one or both sources for editing and close the edit dialog back down and then they may merge OK. Wayne League

"Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote: >When I exit F.O. I always make a backup, I think it says compressed file so >I know it is zipped. Is it the zipped format that is causing the trouble? >I think I have software on my computer that will unzip files - maybe it >isn't working? There are only two choices of how to back up F.O. - one is >the compressed file which is the method I have used and the other is some >disk spanning (?) file. Can someone explain any of this to me and let me >know how to back up my F.O. onto a floppy or preferably a CD? Well, it depends on how old your FO is whether its backups are zipfiles or not. I believe FO5 was the first version to use zipfiles for backups. But regardless of the version you have or the method it uses for compression, it should be able to restore its own backups. (You normally do that by choosing the restore item under the file menu). As for which method to use, the compressed file is for using a large capacity disk that can hold a huge backup such as a hard disk, iomega zip drive disk, or a CD. The disk spanning file is for small floppy disks and it will call for as many disks as necessary to store the complete database backup. Wayne League

Having noticed the thread on baptism, that's what I would wish for too. My ancestors on one side are English and they have baptism, not birth dates, although a few do have birth dates also. My American dictionary does make a distinction between christening and baptism - christening is the naming but baptism can apparently be done at any time and it admits the person to the Christian community. In England the baptism (which perhaps in England means the same thing as christening) was supposed to be done the first Sunday after the birth, I believe, but I do have ancestors who weren't baptized until age seven or so. The churches kept BAPTISM records, not BIRTH records and I have struggled for a long time with where to put these baptismal dates. My latest solution has been to just enter the baptism date where it says birth date even though I know it is wrong. I don't feel comfortable doing this and I wish they would give us a choice of baptism or birth. Lois _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Bob, that is what I do. It works just fine for me until I can find a birth date. It is better than nothing, but then again when parents have 3 ch. bp on the same day, it can be confusing. Hmm... come to think of it, that is what my folks did with me and sibling on either side of me. All bp Aug 1, 1948. Of course I do know our birth dates! Kathy, who also fears bp vs chr discussion ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [FO] Baptism and birth dates > Why not just use the Baptism fact, > and for the Birth Date ... put "before (date of baptism)"? > > Bob Stimmel, who fears we are headed for another bout > of baptism versus christening discussion ..... >

I use the GedCom feature for my backups, that way I can open it on any program, anywhere. > As for which method to use, the compressed file is for using a large > capacity disk that can hold a huge backup such as a hard disk, iomega > zip drive disk, or a CD. The disk spanning file is for small floppy > disks and it will call for as many disks as necessary to store the > complete database backup. > > Wayne League >

I am a new member but I have been using an older edition of F.O. for years and have what is probably a stupid question. I want to make a back up to put on a floppy or a CD but cannot do it yet I KNOW there is a way. Actually I can put the files onto the floppy or CD but then I can't open them to look at them. I get an error message that says F.O. needs to know what software created the file. When I exit F.O. I always make a backup, I think it says compressed file so I know it is zipped. Is it the zipped format that is causing the trouble? I think I have software on my computer that will unzip files - maybe it isn't working? There are only two choices of how to back up F.O. - one is the compressed file which is the method I have used and the other is some disk spanning (?) file. Can someone explain any of this to me and let me know how to back up my F.O. onto a floppy or preferably a CD? Thanks, Lois _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

Folks, Perhaps someone can help me: I recently erred and re-imported a Gedcom file (with resources). I merged all of the duplicate records, but the duplicate sources stubbornly refuse to merge. Is there some other method to remove the duplicate sources without laboriously checking each one for usage throughout the database? Thanks, Peter M. Morris Vista, CA USA

I was going to reply but, I'll let Alfred or someone that fully understands the process backing up to Floppy, CD and or Disk spanning. I believe the disk spanning is for a large database which does not fit on a Floppy when "zipped"!!!! Then you use "disk spanning", which will prompt you for another floppy to be inserted. I hope I understand that OK. correct me if I am wrong Alfred, David or Bruce. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com/ --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "We will not waiver, we will not tire, we will not falter --- and we will not fail. Peace and Freedom will prevail." --- President George W. Bush --- 7 October 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:07 PM Subject: [FO] question I am a new member but I have been using an older edition of F.O. for years and have what is probably a stupid question. I want to make a back up to put on a floppy or a CD but cannot do it yet I KNOW there is a way. Actually I can put the files onto the floppy or CD but then I can't open them to look at them. I get an error message that says F.O. needs to know what software created the file. When I exit F.O. I always make a backup, I think it says compressed file so I know it is zipped. Is it the zipped format that is causing the trouble? I think I have software on my computer that will unzip files - maybe it isn't working? There are only two choices of how to back up F.O. - one is the compressed file which is the method I have used and the other is some disk spanning (?) file. Can someone explain any of this to me and let me know how to back up my F.O. onto a floppy or preferably a CD? Thanks, Lois _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== Family Origins GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/fo/ Tech Support Knowledge Base http://www.familyorigins.com/support/

Why not just use the Baptism fact, and for the Birth Date ... put "before (date of baptism)"? Bob Stimmel, who fears we are headed for another bout of baptism versus christening discussion ..... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Rootsmate - a wish <snip> > My latest solution has been to just enter the baptism date where it says > birth date even though I know it is wrong. I don't feel comfortable doing > this and I wish they would give us a choice of baptism or birth. > > Lois

In a message dated 7/9/2002 1:43:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Let's say a man has been married, divorced, and then remarried. FOWin's box > charts show his first wife connected to him with a dotted line. That's > fine. > But the second wife is connected to the first wife, not to the husband, > with > a dotted line. This > leads to problems in some families. Would it be possible in some future > version of FOWin to show a second spouse connected to his/her mate rather > than to the previous spouse? I'm not sure how that leads to problems, but even so, how would the line be drawn connecting to the spouse. Would it go up and around the first spouse. I suppose spouses could be drawn on either side of the person, but what happens in the case where there is a third (or more) spouse? - Bruce http://rootsmate.com

More on that. FO9 shows lines connecting children but no lines connecting spouses. J Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald D. Doctor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: [FO] Multiple Spouses in Box Chart Let's say a man has been married, divorced, and then remarried. FOWin's box charts show his first wife connected to him with a dotted line. That's fine. But the second wife is connected to the first wife, not to the husband, with a dotted line. This leads to problems in some families. Would it be possible in some future version of FOWin to show a second spouse connected to his/her mate rather than to the previous spouse? Ron Doctor Portland, Oregon ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002

My FO 9 dose not do that. There is a separation. J Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald D. Doctor" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 2:57 PM Subject: [FO] Multiple Spouses in Box Chart Let's say a man has been married, divorced, and then remarried. FOWin's box charts show his first wife connected to him with a dotted line. That's fine. But the second wife is connected to the first wife, not to the husband, with a dotted line. This leads to problems in some families. Would it be possible in some future version of FOWin to show a second spouse connected to his/her mate rather than to the previous spouse? Ron Doctor Portland, Oregon ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002