In a message dated 7/10/2002 8:31:35 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > >Alfred D. Eller > >Family Origins Users Mail List Administrator. > >RootsMate-Users mail list administrator > > Alfred, > > I just noticed your "new" title! Is there actually a RootsMate users > list yet? http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/ROOTSMATE-USERS.html - Bruce http://rootsmate.com

At 10:18 PM 7/10/02 EDT, [email protected] wrote: >Hi Cyndi, > >Nice to have a celebrity on the list <g>. Parsons isn't involved with Family >Origins anymore. Users can upload websites to genealogy.com, or they can >upload to other servers like RootsWeb (which it seems is the most popular >option). I don't know if there is any size limit. > >- Bruce >http://rootsmate.com Well, there you are! I looked all over for your e-mail address, but wasn't successful. And the "Parsons" thing was a slip of the tongue (or the fingers on the keyboard). Heck, I still call the other company Broderbund, then correct myself twelve times until I get it right. I definitely was on the FormalSoft site today, so I was in the right spot. Thank you for clarifying the web space issue. Yes, my recommendation in the book to come is for people to use the software to create the web pages, then find a host elsewhere. Just needed to be sure that there wasn't already space provided *with* the software. Now, how do you want me to include Rootsmate? My questions would be these: 1. Does it create web pages from the genealogy data? 2. Is web space provided to users of the software? Thanks Bruce! See you in California, Cyndi

At 08:12 PM 7/10/02 -0500, Alfred Eller wrote: >Family Origins default for user web sites it the same Genealogy.com as >FTM. There is no mention of the amount of space a user can have. But he >is limited to one home page with five different web sites. Web sites >seems like an odd name to me, they would be better called chapters or >something, because they are all connected to the home page that I would >call the Web Site. But then, what do I know? > >Alfred D. Eller Alfred - You obviously know a lot. Your thinking is eerily close to my own by referring to "chapters." This is my view: --The Internet is a library. --Web sites are books in that library. --Web pages are the chapters and pages within the web site. --A home page is the front page to a web site (the cover and table of contents for the book). Thanks for your help, Cyndi

Phil Warn <[email protected]> wrote: >I am confused! I go to the formalsoft site and see talk about Family >Origins 10. So who does make/market FO? I have version 9. > >http://www.formalsoft.com/features.htm is the site to which I went. > >Is the situation different each side of the Pond? Bruce Buzbee is Formal Soft. He wrote Family Origins and is the sole owner of it. But Genealogy.com now has the exclusive rights to distribute and market Family Origins. Bruce can sell you a copy of Family Origins but in order to do so, he must buy the CD's from Genealogy.com just like any other reseller. And he doesn't make very much profit from selling it. Genealogy.com also owns and sells Family Tree Maker which seems to be their "fair haired child" while, from all appearances, Family Origins is more like their "red headed step child", and I believe they would like to see it go away. For example, if you live in Australia and order FO from genealogy.com they will likely charge you about $35 US just for shipping charges on top of the price of the program. If you order it from Bruce at FormalSoft.com, he will charge you $5 for shipping the same CD to Australia. Bruce is in the process of writing a completely new genealogy program called RootsMate. He says it will be out by the end of the year. It is not clear whether or not there will be a version 11 of Family Origins. This is a summary of the information on this subject that has appeared in parts on this list in the past. Wayne League

Yes Charley, There is a RootsMate Mail list. It has been announced on the RootsMate web site. http://www.rootsmate.com/ But, we have nothing to talk about, YET! <};-) Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Web pages with Family Origins > > > > Alfred D. Eller > > Family Origins Users Mail List Administrator. > > RootsMate-Users mail list administrator > > Alfred, > > I just noticed your "new" title! Is there actually a RootsMate users > list yet? > ==== SNIP ==== > Charlie Hoffpauir > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/ >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Warn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Web pages with Family Origins > > Alfred > > I am confused! I go to the formalsoft site and see talk about Family > Origins 10. So who does make/market FO? I have version 9. > > http://www.formalsoft.com/features.htm is the site to which I went. > > Is the situation different each side of the Pond? > > Phil. > > Phil > > FormalSoft is the creator of Family Origins. (the maker) Genealogy.com owns the marketing rights to Family Origins. (the marketer) At one time Parsons Technology was the distributor for Family Origins. Parsons was sold to ? and ? was sold to ?? and ?? was sold to ??? until it is now distributed by Genealogy.com. Things are not the same on both sides of the pond, we see the sunrise over it and you see the sunset, but as far as Family Origins goes, they are about the same. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ==========================

Alfred Eller wrote: > > Cyndi, > > No Parsons does not supply web space. In fact, I think the server is no > more. > > Family Origins default for user web sites it the same Genealogy.com as > FTM. There is no mention of the amount of space a user can have. But he > is limited to one home page with five different web sites. Web sites > seems like an odd name to me, they would be better called chapters or > something, because they are all connected to the home page that I would > call the Web Site. But then, what do I know? > > Alfred D. Eller > Family Origins Users Mail List Administrator. > RootsMate-Users mail list administrator Alfred, I just noticed your "new" title! Is there actually a RootsMate users list yet? And on the subject of the posting, above, I recall when I first set up my web site (before FTM was G.c), Paul Burchfield said that the space available was unlimited (for all practical purposes). I've never heard anyone say they ran out of space. :-) Also, I do believe that you are entitled to one web page for each product that you own. AT one time I actually owned two copies of FTM (bought the second one just to get an updated copy of the SSDI CDs, on sale for about 5 bucks at a local store), so I set up two separate Web pages. I now actually own 3 of their products (since I started using FO), but I've never tried to set up a third web page..... but I believe it would be easily done. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Cyndi, No Parsons does not supply web space. In fact, I think the server is no more. Family Origins default for user web sites it the same Genealogy.com as FTM. There is no mention of the amount of space a user can have. But he is limited to one home page with five different web sites. Web sites seems like an odd name to me, they would be better called chapters or something, because they are all connected to the home page that I would call the Web Site. But then, what do I know? Alfred D. Eller Family Origins Users Mail List Administrator. RootsMate-Users mail list administrator --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyndi Howells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 7:44 PM Subject: [FO] Web pages with Family Origins > Hello all - > > I've perused the Family Origins web site and can't find the answer to my > question. > > Does Parson's still supply web space to their customers who want to publish > pages on the Internet? > > If so, how much space is available for each customer? > > Thanks, > Cyndi > >

I can't believe it - it worked!!!!! In the individual list there is no place to delete an individual, only to delete a FACT of an individual. I never had a clue as to how to delete an individual. Thank you SO much! Lois > >Highlight the funny named individual, hit the enter button. That takes >you to the main screen with this individual highlighted. Click on the >Edit menu, select Delete and Individual. > >Then go looking for the next mistake. > >Alfred D. Eller >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ > >========================== > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:33 PM >Subject: [FO] my next question > > > > I have a long overdue question and I would have asked it a long time >ago if > > I had just known about this list. Here goes - I'm using F.O. ver. 7 >and in > > my individuals list there are mistakes such as the letter "a" just >sitting > > there but it got listed somehow before I knew what I was doing, as an > > individual! I try to edit this individual but what I want to do is to > > DELETE this individual. How do I delete this "person"? > > > > Thanks, > > Lois > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >Okay, I went to EDIT INDIVIDUAL as I have done before, but I do not have the option as far as I can tell of deleting an individual. I can delete a FACT but not the individual. I also have tried to highlight the individual I want to delete and then hit the delete key and then OK but F.O. tells me that I have to enter a name before I can save a record, therefore I have to hit cancel and I am right back where I started. This is version 7.0, maybe it is different? Lois < NO NO NO - choose <edit> then select <delete> then select either <individual> or <family> as what you want to delete You are not paying good attention to what is before your eyes. I suspect too impatient, rather than eyesight <sigh> Look at ALL the various <edit> choices before selecting anything. FO has worked largely the same way since at least ver 4. Paul Studly Cleveland/Chesterland, OH [email protected]

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >I am using F.O. ver. 7.0. I tried someone's suggestion of exporting it as a gedcom to the floppy and that worked - but I got it back as ver. 9.0 which looks totally different and is on a peach colored background. It has a timeline which I like but I can't get a decent ancestor chart, just big box charts or fan charts. Has the original plain and simple working chart - no boxes just lines - been left out of the newer versions? Also I can't seem to get the horizontal chart where you enter the names and than add parents, etc. Is this done differently in ver. 9.0. Lois< You should not have lost any functionality going from v7 to v9. From the box chart choices, select standard, THEN pay close attention to other available choices. In the lower right you should see <box style>, click on it and another choice is <box style NONE> if you are into plainness, a view I share. From <options>, select <screen font and color> and you should be able to get rid of the peach. <Textured background parchment> is the delault as I recall. Some of the changes from 7 to 8 then to 10 are shown below. I suspect your peach etc comes from somebody else's previous choices. An upgrade from v7 to v10 brand new should only be about $19. The $14.95 book is clearly worthwhile. For example NEW TO VERSION 7 of FOWIN released abt 15 Aug 1998 32 bit runs inder W95/W98, NOT W31 -10 new or improved printouts or lists; -photo editing tools that help adjust sharpness, brightness, contrast & other -improved website generator that locks sensitive info about living people -merge and LDS support enhancements -spell check -global search & replace tools; -seamless wall charts Reports/Printouts Indented descendant book; Forest report - count of trees in database Multiple parents list Sortable Marriage list (by Husband, Wife, marr date, marr place) List of every occurrence of a particular fact type (by person) Family Timeline list (all events for a selected group of individuals) FGS - unmarried couples are labeled Father/Mother instead of Husband/Wife FGS - new option: notes can start immediately after fgs (on same page) FGS - option to turn off child notes (only print parent notes) FGS - Put children's and parents other marriage date/place on FGS Address list has option to print/ignore phone and email Source list now includes repository and call# Print Notes/Sources allows printing source verbatim text and source comments Added names with titles as printable fields in custom reports Added option in books to include/not include citation details (can shorten bibliography) Merge enhancements SmartMerge (tm) option to automatically merge records that meet a certain criteria Added "Prior match" feature All facts/family displayed on merge screen Allows you to save your position in a merge session Merge doesn't double up duplicate events for merged records Prompts to make backup before starting merge Tools Spell check all notes ("Tools, Spell check") Global search and replace ("Tools, Global search/replace") Count trees in database ("Tools, Count trees") Website generator allows "privatizing" living individual's data Website generator creates GENDEX.txt file for websites Soundex calculator provides alternate coding (Census soundex W/H rule) in addition to normal coding Photo support Added image editing to photo view (sharpen, brightness, saturation, hue, contrast) GEDCOM Global source can be added to individuals imported from a GEDCOM file Multimedia links and TODO tasks supported in GEDCOM import/export GEDCOM import asks if you want to combine or import into a new database Searching/Marking Added "Married surname" to criteria (only finds married women) Search list and marking list show S for sealed to spouse Option to enable/disable comma surname completion in search/mark screen Marking screen - "Family" lets you select *which* family to mark/unmark Marking screen - option to mark all kin of highlighted person Marking screen - entire ancestor line Marking screen - entire descendant line Marking screen - Added comma surname completion Marking screen - allows editing highlighted person Lists Added marriage search list (search by husband or wife name) ("Lists, Marriage list") Added Correspondence log ("Lists, Correspondence log") Added status and priority to ToDo list Moved lists (source manager, place list, repository list etc) to new "Lists" menu Repository list: print button allows printing sources, todo's, and correspondence for any location. Notes/Sources Spell checker in note editor Source manager - Print button now prints repository and call# LDS features (optional) Added separate TempleReady command ("File, TempleReady") with Toolbar button Added an LDS Ordinance edit screen (from indiv edit screen or main screen including toolbar button) TempleReady reconcile command Can clear ordinances submitted on a specific date LDS baptism now allows either live or proxy place entry LDS ordinance entry now provides ordinance status drop list (ie BIC, SUBMITTED, etc) Updated LDS Ordinances list (more options & marriages sort by husband name) Interface Docking toolbar ("cool look") Tip of the day Toolbar in note editor dialog Numerous visual enhancements (i.e. Bitmap buttons, etc) Added popup menu to Merge toolbar button to select manual or duplicate search Other Added option to disable maximizing on startup Restoring a backup now opens the file after restoring FOWIN asks before updating data to new v7 format NEW TO VERSION 8 of FOWIN released abt Aug 1999 32 bit runs inder W95/W98, But NOT W31 Hourglass Tree, shows both ancestors & descendants Missing information list searcher - say missing birth date report Family scrapbook photo organizer To-Do-List filter lets you print by a group of people or repository Open Multiple Databases and drag & drop info from one file to another SmartMerge enhancements - skips over non matching duplicates cutting down invalid duplicate match New to FOW v 10.0 (Family Origins) is the < Family Journal > The FOW built in help sections describe it as below. It looks like it could be useful for inserting a family branch story in a book middle without having to resort to more complex techniques involving genealogy software and fancy features of the word processor to preserve index pagination accuracy. http://www.ancestry.com/library/view/columns/eastman/4550.asp Version 10 review The Family Journal allows you to create a single document comprised of multiple reports and charts. This document can include narrative books (modified register, etc), pedigree charts, family group sheets, and more. The document can also include a shared index and source bibliography covering all the sections in the document. To create a Family Journal, you add sections (or chapters) to the document, and arrange them into the order you want them printed. You can select various options for the Family Journal, and then click the "Create the Family Journal" button to actually generate the document. Paul Studly Cleveland/Chesterland, OH [email protected]

Okay, I went to EDIT INDIVIDUAL as I have done before, but I do not have the option as far as I can tell of deleting an individual. I can delete a FACT but not the individual. I also have tried to highlight the individual I want to delete and then hit the delete key and then OK but F.O. tells me that I have to enter a name before I can save a record, therefore I have to hit cancel and I am right back where I started. This is version 7.0, maybe it is different? Lois >From: "MScheffler" <[email protected]> >To: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]>, ><[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [FO] my next question >Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:54:39 -0400 > > If you are on the edit individual screen, click on "edit" then >delete, and answer yes to delete the individual. I think if you are >in the Explorer view, you can simply highlight the person you want to >delete and press the delete key. I did not test this latter >suggestion out as I had no one I wanted to delete at this moment. > >Margaret Scheffler > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:33 PM >Subject: [FO] my next question > > > > I have a long overdue question and I would have asked it a long time >ago if > > I had just known about this list. Here goes - I'm using F.O. ver. 7 >and in > > my individuals list there are mistakes such as the letter "a" just >sitting > > there but it got listed somehow before I knew what I was doing, as >an > > individual! I try to edit this individual but what I want to do is >to > > DELETE this individual. How do I delete this "person"? > > > > Thanks, > > Lois > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > Family Origins GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/fo/ > > Tech Support Knowledge Base http://www.familyorigins.com/support/ > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

If you are on the edit individual screen, click on "edit" then delete, and answer yes to delete the individual. I think if you are in the Explorer view, you can simply highlight the person you want to delete and press the delete key. I did not test this latter suggestion out as I had no one I wanted to delete at this moment. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]web.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 6:33 PM Subject: [FO] my next question > I have a long overdue question and I would have asked it a long time ago if > I had just known about this list. Here goes - I'm using F.O. ver. 7 and in > my individuals list there are mistakes such as the letter "a" just sitting > there but it got listed somehow before I knew what I was doing, as an > individual! I try to edit this individual but what I want to do is to > DELETE this individual. How do I delete this "person"? > > Thanks, > Lois > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Family Origins GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/fo/ > Tech Support Knowledge Base http://www.familyorigins.com/support/ > >

"Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> wrote: >I try to edit this individual but what I want to do is to >DELETE this individual. How do I delete this "person"? With the individual highlighted on the main screen, click on the edit menu and choose delete -> individual. Wayne League

I have a long overdue question and I would have asked it a long time ago if I had just known about this list. Here goes - I'm using F.O. ver. 7 and in my individuals list there are mistakes such as the letter "a" just sitting there but it got listed somehow before I knew what I was doing, as an individual! I try to edit this individual but what I want to do is to DELETE this individual. How do I delete this "person"? Thanks, Lois _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

"Sandra E. T. Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote: > in the comments place I found >various versions of this >@[email protected] >Just what the heck is this thing, Please? I'll betcha this thing came from importing an FTM gedcom file, didn't it? Family Tree Maker uses this method of referencing for notes and source notes. FO will recognize this type of reference for general notes but it will not recognize it in a source. FO thinks the reference is the comment. But the comment is still in the gedcom file. You can use your text editor to open the gedcom file and find this code, NS214741, near the end of your gedcom file and there you can see the comment that is supposed to be in the source. Wayne League

I wouldn't use the webspace their it is to limited if you will be adjusting and adding things on an on going basis. I would go to tripod, rootsweb, or freepages. Possibly your ISP has space also, att.net does. it is limited to the # of files to upload at one time. I use Tripod they have 8 files at a time that can be uploaded. The below tripod site was created with FO and slightly edited with frontpage express. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com/ --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "We will not waiver, we will not tire, we will not falter --- and we will not fail. Peace and Freedom will prevail." --- President George W. Bush --- 7 October 2001 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyndi Howells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: [FO] Web pages with Family Origins Hello all - I've perused the Family Origins web site and can't find the answer to my question. Does Parson's still supply web space to their customers who want to publish pages on the Internet? If so, how much space is available for each customer? Thanks, Cyndi ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/

Highlight the funny named individual, hit the enter button. That takes you to the main screen with this individual highlighted. Click on the Edit menu, select Delete and Individual. Then go looking for the next mistake. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: [FO] my next question > I have a long overdue question and I would have asked it a long time ago if > I had just known about this list. Here goes - I'm using F.O. ver. 7 and in > my individuals list there are mistakes such as the letter "a" just sitting > there but it got listed somehow before I knew what I was doing, as an > individual! I try to edit this individual but what I want to do is to > DELETE this individual. How do I delete this "person"? > > Thanks, > Lois > >

Hello all - I've perused the Family Origins web site and can't find the answer to my question. Does Parson's still supply web space to their customers who want to publish pages on the Internet? If so, how much space is available for each customer? Thanks, Cyndi

My favorite method for making sources match is to print a source list as an RFT. With the two sources one above the other, the difference between them is usually quickly apparent. My source list is large, but I use the Windows "find" feature to locate the sources, note what needs to be done to make the two versions identical, fix them in FO, and delete the RFT when done. Dori _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com