You do know what they say about "Assume" don't you? <};-) I am already in that category, but you had better be careful. The Devil made me do it! Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Living vs Dead > I use an "Assumed" note. If a person was born in 1860, I enter a death date > of "bef. 1960" then put the word "Assumed" in the note.

I would still like a Medical field that would read right. Miss version 4? that had the little boxes you could check. Don't want to use an outside program, want it all in one place. ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Dick Wells" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FO] Rootsmate - a wish - Birth vs Bapt & Christ. Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2002 08:42:40 -0600 Folks, With the current features in FOW, you have missed the obvious solution. FOW has a BEFORE date. Birth is before the Christening or Baptism, or any other event. Just add the Birth fact using a BEF date. Example: Known info Christening 4/25/1825 Baptism 6/7/1835 Just add Birth Bef 4/25/1825. It is the same way for Death and Burial, but using the AFTER date option. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Rootsmate - a wish > Having noticed the thread on baptism, that's what I would wish for too. My > ancestors on one side are English and they have baptism, not birth dates, > although a few do have birth dates also. > > My American dictionary does make a distinction between christening and > baptism - christening is the naming but baptism can apparently be done at > any time and it admits the person to the Christian community. In England > the baptism (which perhaps in England means the same thing as christening) > was supposed to be done the first Sunday after the birth, I believe, but I > do have ancestors who weren't baptized until age seven or so. The churches > kept BAPTISM records, not BIRTH records and I have struggled for a long time > with where to put these baptismal dates. > > My latest solution has been to just enter the baptism date where it says > birth date even though I know it is wrong. I don't feel comfortable doing > this and I wish they would give us a choice of baptism or birth. > > Lois > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ Anne (Percival) Kruszka _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

When entering the birth info, I wish there was a button to click on when finished (entering) that would put the births in order. Debby

I use an "Assumed" note. If a person was born in 1860, I enter a death date of "bef. 1960" then put the word "Assumed" in the note. When making a book, I do a search (you have to be editing with word processing software) for Assumed and make it read "It is assumed he died before 1960." This makes it clear that no date of death is known but the person would be in excess of 100 years old if deceased. This prevents the person from being shown as Living in a report. I do the same with marriage dates for a couple with children if I know the birth year of at least one child. It can also be done with birth dates, but that's a little more perilous since assuming a child was born AFTER the parents' marriage is frought with speculation. As is the fact that the couple was married at all! The word "Assumed" in the note helps a great deal. Hmmmm. I wonder if "Assumed" could be used as a source as well, causing it to show up as a footnote? Sounds like something I'll fiddle with. Loretta Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ Ford County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ Iroquois County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/ My Families http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~loretta/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Winfrey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: [FO] Living vs Dead > If no dates are known for birth and death, and the life took place 200 years > ago, does FO know the person is dead? Is there a flag for Living/Dead? > > Jim > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm > >

Folks, With the current features in FOW, you have missed the obvious solution. FOW has a BEFORE date. Birth is before the Christening or Baptism, or any other event. Just add the Birth fact using a BEF date. Example: Known info Christening 4/25/1825 Baptism 6/7/1835 Just add Birth Bef 4/25/1825. It is the same way for Death and Burial, but using the AFTER date option. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Blackburn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Rootsmate - a wish > Having noticed the thread on baptism, that's what I would wish for too. My > ancestors on one side are English and they have baptism, not birth dates, > although a few do have birth dates also. > > My American dictionary does make a distinction between christening and > baptism - christening is the naming but baptism can apparently be done at > any time and it admits the person to the Christian community. In England > the baptism (which perhaps in England means the same thing as christening) > was supposed to be done the first Sunday after the birth, I believe, but I > do have ancestors who weren't baptized until age seven or so. The churches > kept BAPTISM records, not BIRTH records and I have struggled for a long time > with where to put these baptismal dates. > > My latest solution has been to just enter the baptism date where it says > birth date even though I know it is wrong. I don't feel comfortable doing > this and I wish they would give us a choice of baptism or birth. > > Lois > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/

I have XP Home on my Desktop and 98SE on my Notebook and on my wife's Desktop. I have restored the backup from my Desktop (via Zip 100) to the Notebook and to my wife's Desktop with no problems. I have not tried a gedcom. Coe William (Bill) CASE, who married the WRIGHT girl. <A HREF="http://users.aol.com/coecase/Index.htm">My Web Pages</A>

Were these floppies single density floppies by chance? I tried to help a friend of mine who had XP and a MIDI board or something, The board had to have the single density 3 1/2" floppies, but his Windows XP couldn't format, read or write to them. Try it with 2HD floppies and see if it works. (the ones with holes in two corners) Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Revare" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:23 PM Subject: [FO] GEDCOM/RESTORE Data?? > I have FO 10. I like to keep my database on a laptop I use while traveling. However, I tried backing up & restoring data--this did not work. Then I tried to export and import a Gedcom from my desktop to the laptop. This didn't work either. Both were done with data on a floppy disk, In both cases, I got error messages and instructed to send them to Microsoft, which I did. > I have Windows 98 on my desktop & XP on the laptop. I suspect incompatibility. Can anyone help? > > Jack Revare > Leawood, KS > [email protected] > Fam. History Book: http://www.revare.com/jack >

Perhaps you have a bad set of floppy disks, but I'm betting the problem is something else. I backup and restore at least twice weekly before and after going to the library. I back up from my desktop running Windows 98 2nd edition and restore to one of my laptops, one running XP home edition and the other Windows 98 2nd edition. I have NEVER had a single error message and I have been backing up and restoring this way for several years through a number of versions of FO. If you always have the same problem, you may have a floppy drive that is out of alignment on one of the computers. Do the same problems occur both directions? Do you have trouble using the floppy drive between computers for other programs? I would suggest perhaps that you purchase or borrow a zip drive and try backing up and restoring to a zip disk. If you have a cd writer, you could use cds as well. Another option is using a network to transfer files. If the same problem persists across media, I am not sure what to suggest. But my guess is that you will likely find using a drive other than the floppy will let you back up and restore. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Revare" <[email protected]> Subject: [FO] GEDCOM/RESTORE Data?? I have FO 10. I like to keep my database on a laptop I use while traveling. However, I tried backing up & restoring data--this did not work. Then I tried to export and import a Gedcom from my desktop to the laptop. This didn't work either. Botth were done with data on a floppy disk, In both cases, I got error messages and instructed to send them to Microsoft, which I did. I have Windows 98 on my desktop & XP on the laptop. I suspect incompatibility. Can anyone help? Jack Revare

I got there with Netscape, Opera, IE, and Mozilla. Try flushing your Cache and then try again. Keith Thompson "Sandra E. T. Duncan" wrote: > > I finally created my data online and it is really not what I want yet but I > cannot access it after trying for over two hours > Help please > Cookies have not been touched > all was done in lowercase so, now what??? > http://www.familyorigins.com//users/d/u/n/Sandra-T-Duncan/index.html > My latest stuff done today 12 JUL 2002 > Sandra > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Family Origins GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/fo/ > Tech Support Knowledge Base http://www.familyorigins.com/support/ -- Keith Thompson, Worthington, OH Home Web Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~kthompson/ Genealogy Web Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kthompson Help Page: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~kthompson/ People with dogs are too cowardly to bite for themselves.

While in Family Origins, Go to the internet menu, Click on "Go Online" At the bottom of the first paragraph, click on "Create or edit your Website" On the next page, http://www.familyorigins.com/ftm_uhp_home.html there is a yellow area on the right. There you can edit some of your home page text or delete the whole thing and start over. There is no way to edit your family data once it is uploaded. There is no way to delete just one "Web Site" that you have uploaded to your home page. You have to delete the home page, this will delete all of your "Web sites" and you can start over by rebuilding your home page and uploading up to five new "Web sites" That is why so many of us have gone elsewhere, where we can edit things a bit here and there. WE have to used a stand alone FTP program to upload the "Web sites" that Family Origins creates, but we can correct and then upload one little file if we find out we misspelled grandma's name. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra E. T. Duncan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:41 PM Subject: [FO] Cannot access my data at FOW > I finally created my data online and it is really not what I want yet but I > cannot access it after trying for over two hours > Help please > Cookies have not been touched > all was done in lowercase so, now what??? > http://www.familyorigins.com//users/d/u/n/Sandra-T-Duncan/index.html > My latest stuff done today 12 JUL 2002 > Sandra >

I can get it. J Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra E. T. Duncan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: [FO] Cannot access my data at FOW I finally created my data online and it is really not what I want yet but I cannot access it after trying for over two hours Help please Cookies have not been touched all was done in lowercase so, now what??? http://www.familyorigins.com//users/d/u/n/Sandra-T-Duncan/index.html My latest stuff done today 12 JUL 2002 Sandra ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== Family Origins GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/fo/ Tech Support Knowledge Base http://www.familyorigins.com/support/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 7/10/2002

I have FO 10. I like to keep my database on a laptop I use while traveling. However, I tried backing up & restoring data--this did not work. Then I tried to export and import a Gedcom from my desktop to the laptop. This didn't work either. Both were done with data on a floppy disk, In both cases, I got error messages and instructed to send them to Microsoft, which I did. I have Windows 98 on my desktop & XP on the laptop. I suspect incompatibility. Can anyone help? Jack Revare Leawood, KS [email protected] Fam. History Book: http://www.revare.com/jack

He is not on the list any more. He may have been a while ago because I have gotten about 50 bounces from this address. They came in so fast and furious that He might have been automatically removed a long time ago. I got one of those registration messages just now and I noticed that the subject line on it was something about my hat size that I sent to the list on July 2nd. There is terrible backup somewhere. Anyone who thinks I am going to register with then, and ask their permission to send list mail to them might just as well unsubscribe right now! I would just delete it and forget it. I don't think that there is any need to report it to abuse. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Turner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: [FO] Strange message > Did anyone else receive the following? The only message I have sent with > this subject list was to the list only and I don't have anyone with a > Road Runner address in my book. Just might treat it as spam since it has > a commercial message and report to [email protected] > > Alfred, do we have a list member [email protected]? > > Al >

Lemuel Allison <[email protected]> wrote: >Is there anyone that can tell me if there is away to use the ancestors >and children book formatting for only the paternal side of the root >person's ancestry? Make a copy of your database by making a backup and restoring that backup to a temporary location. Be sure it's in a different folder, otherwise you'll just overwrite your present database. Then you might want to rename the temporary database so you don't confuse it with your real database. Then open the temporary database, unlink the mother from her parents and then make the ancestor book of the child. If you're doing a descendant book of the father's ancestor, it shouldn't involve the mother's ancestors anyway. But since you're working with a temporary database, you could unlink any descendant branch you want to omit. Wayne League

Did anyone else receive the following? The only message I have sent with this subject list was to the list only and I don't have anyone with a Road Runner address in my book. Just might treat it as spam since it has a commercial message and report to [email protected] Alfred, do we have a list member [email protected]? Al Message with full headers: ---------------------------------------- Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from mail7.nc.rr.com ([24.93.67.54]) by mtiwgwc29.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.34 201-229-121-134-20020625) with ESMTP id <[email protected]com> for <[email protected]>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:24:06 +0000 Received: from john-w ([24.88.247.30]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:24:05 -0400 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: [FO] Information on the KLEX worm. To: [email protected] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:24:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.0.1-B X-ChoiceMail-Registration-Request: ChoiceMail registration request Return-Path: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <[email protected]> The recipient, [email protected], asks that you click on the URL http://www.digiportal.com/cgi-bin/cmregister.pl?data=TIXZvOj0Z69iSSTC7uagNvwe00yses%2BymTHc5CObPqS23v0ed2TccOTVARbDY28IHPZFx9jNYGoGgfFRkEGQ5mMpM5ioOwBHz2cy4Tn5glYvCATg6nPSXhqxCW6GubLw to request permission to send emails. This recipient is using a permission-based email system that requires senders to be granted permission to contact the recipient. The purpose is to prevent junk email messages from disturbing the recipient. The recipient apologizes for this minor one-time inconvenience. The original mail that you sent to the recipient has been stored temporarily and will be released once your registration has been accepted by the recipient. There is no need to send your original mail again. For more information on how you can subscribe to this service, please contact [email protected]

Hello List, Is there anyone that can tell me if there is away to use the ancestors and children book formatting for only the paternal side of the root person's ancestry? Thanks, Barbara

It's actually worse than that! Every member of the list has to register before all the list mail will get through... If it were my list, I'd unsub the person and send private mail to let them know they need to remove that before they get back on the list... Might take some detective work though... Just another soggy Seattle Sysop. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Burchfield [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:04 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FO] Strange message It looks like that person is using something called "Choicemail." You can read about it at: http://www.digiportal.com/product4.html Here's part of its description: "ChoiceMail is a spam- blocking system based on the premise that all incoming email is assumed to be spam until senders have obtained permission (called registering) to send you email. Until they do so, mail from unapproved senders will not appear in your email application." So, someone chooses to sign up for a list like this. They then buy that Choicemail software which then treats messages from the list that they chose to sign up for as spam unless the list "registers" with the person/Choicemail. Sheesh! Sincerely, Paul Burchfield, Genealogy.com Technical Support http://www.genealogy.com/help/ >>> Al Turner <[email protected]> 07/12/02 02:19PM >>> Did anyone else receive the following? The only message I have sent with this subject list was to the list only and I don't have anyone with a Road Runner address in my book. Just might treat it as spam since it has a commercial message and report to [email protected] Alfred, do we have a list member [email protected]? Al

I finally created my data online and it is really not what I want yet but I cannot access it after trying for over two hours Help please Cookies have not been touched all was done in lowercase so, now what??? http://www.familyorigins.com//users/d/u/n/Sandra-T-Duncan/index.html My latest stuff done today 12 JUL 2002 Sandra

It looks like that person is using something called "Choicemail." You can read about it at: http://www.digiportal.com/product4.html Here's part of its description: "ChoiceMail is a spam- blocking system based on the premise that all incoming email is assumed to be spam until senders have obtained permission (called registering) to send you email. Until they do so, mail from unapproved senders will not appear in your email application." So, someone chooses to sign up for a list like this. They then buy that Choicemail software which then treats messages from the list that they chose to sign up for as spam unless the list "registers" with the person/Choicemail. Sheesh! Sincerely, Paul Burchfield, Genealogy.com Technical Support http://www.genealogy.com/help/ >>> Al Turner <[email protected]> 07/12/02 02:19PM >>> Did anyone else receive the following? The only message I have sent with this subject list was to the list only and I don't have anyone with a Road Runner address in my book. Just might treat it as spam since it has a commercial message and report to [email protected] Alfred, do we have a list member [email protected]? Al Message with full headers: ---------------------------------------- Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from mail7.nc.rr.com ([24.93.67.54]) by mtiwgwc29.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.34 201-229-121-134-20020625) with ESMTP id <[email protected]com> for <[email protected]>; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:24:06 +0000 Received: from john-w ([24.88.247.30]) by mail7.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:24:05 -0400 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: Re: [FO] Information on the KLEX worm. To: [email protected] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:24:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.0.1-B X-ChoiceMail-Registration-Request: ChoiceMail registration request Return-Path: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> X-Mozilla-Status: 8011 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <[email protected]> The recipient, [email protected], asks that you click on the URL http://www.digiportal.com/cgi-bin/cmregister.pl?data=TIXZvOj0Z69iSSTC7uagNvwe00yses%2BymTHc5CObPqS23v0ed2TccOTVARbDY28IHPZFx9jNYGoGgfFRkEGQ5mMpM5ioOwBHz2cy4Tn5glYvCATg6nPSXhqxCW6GubLw to request permission to send emails. This recipient is using a permission-based email system that requires senders to be granted permission to contact the recipient. The purpose is to prevent junk email messages from disturbing the recipient. The recipient apologizes for this minor one-time inconvenience. The original mail that you sent to the recipient has been stored temporarily and will be released once your registration has been accepted by the recipient. There is no need to send your original mail again. For more information on how you can subscribe to this service, please contact [email protected] ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/

"Jim Winfrey" <[email protected]> wrote: >I just received a gedcom who did the responsible thing and changed the given >names of all living folks to "Living". Since these people were born long >after our lines crossed, I would like to just delete them. Is there a way >to identify all these folks and do some kind of mass deletion. I estimate >the number is around 700 and I sure don't want to manually delete 700 >people. After you import the gedcom file to a new database, either export a new gedcom file or make still another new database and drag & drop selected people to it. To choose which people to select, first mark everyone in the database and then unmark the ones where you find the given name contains "living". Your second new database will then contain only those who are not named "living". Wayne League