The ostrich in me keeps me from running the problems list too often. <};-) There are a lot of little goodies under that "list" choice that can be a big help at times. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:00 AM Subject: [FO] Report > I have been using FO 7 for a number of years. In the drop down menu under > reports there is an item "lists". Clicking on lists brings up a number of > reports among which is "problem list". I ran this for the fist time. I'm not > going to admit to the number of pages on this report. If you are not aware of > the report or haven't run it for some time, I urge you to run it now. > Marvin Knotts, Columbus, Ohio > >

I think "Problem Report" is a misnomer. When I first ran the report a few years ago I, too, had page after page of supposed "problems". Going through the list I noticed it was 99.9% things I was aware of and didn't consider problems. Even adjusting the parameters of the report gives me a lot of what I call unnecessary information. Needless to say, I don't run that report anymore except on imported gedcoms, and then I discard about 95% of those results. Earl B. Akers, Sr. Puyallup WA <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~banyantree">The Banyan Tree</A>

Marvin, It really brings up the number of discrepancies we have in our data bases doesn't it? Don't feel bad. The first time I ran it I could not believe the items I had to correct. I try to run it at least every two weeks now if I have had a lot of adds or changes. Bob Rose I have been using FO 7 for a number of years. In the drop down menu under reports there is an item "lists". Clicking on lists brings up a number of reports among which is "problem list". I ran this for the fist time. I'm not going to admit to the number of pages on this report. If you are not aware of the report or haven't run it for some time, I urge you to run it now. Marvin Knotts, Columbus, Ohio

I have been using FO 7 for a number of years. In the drop down menu under reports there is an item "lists". Clicking on lists brings up a number of reports among which is "problem list". I ran this for the fist time. I'm not going to admit to the number of pages on this report. If you are not aware of the report or haven't run it for some time, I urge you to run it now. Marvin Knotts, Columbus, Ohio

I added a fact type for twin: He or She was/is the twin Then I add: brother (or sister) of John DOE for each one. Jess Davis My home page: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cottage/8460/ ***Acts 16:30,31***Ephesians 2:8,9***John 3:16*** ---- Original Message ----- From: "Parkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Wish List I usually put (twin) after the given names of the pair. This may not be ideal either, but I can spot them quickly in the list, and see the pattern within a surname. Grandma was a twin, and her father had 2 pairs of twins as siblings. Don't know why I did not put in suffix field. May change that and find out why. LOL. Kathy Parkinson ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [FO] Wish List > This may not be the "ideal" way, but I try to indicate twins in > the suffix field using the format: (twin). I have not attempted to > search on the suffix field -- perhaps someone can say if this is > possible. If I have something like Jr., or 2nd in the field, I just > space over a couple more spaces and put (twin). > > Margaret Scheffler ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.375 / Virus Database: 210 - Release Date: 7/10/2002

I usually put (twin) after the given names of the pair. This may not be ideal either, but I can spot them quickly in the list, and see the pattern within a surname. Grandma was a twin, and her father had 2 pairs of twins as siblings. Don't know why I did not put in suffix field. May change that and find out why. LOL. Kathy Parkinson ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [FO] Wish List > This may not be the "ideal" way, but I try to indicate twins in > the suffix field using the format: (twin). I have not attempted to > search on the suffix field -- perhaps someone can say if this is > possible. If I have something like Jr., or 2nd in the field, I just > space over a couple more spaces and put (twin). > > Margaret Scheffler

I might as well add my penny's worth. Most people graduate from high school about 18 years after they are born, in this case an estimated about seems logical: if he was born 1927, "He graduated from the local high school about 1945" works for me. In an obituary: "Herbert died July 10, 1900. He is survived by his Sister Harriet and was preceded in death by his brother, Harry." If that is all we know, it seems logical to me to enter Harriet's death date as after July 10, 1900 and Harry's death date as before July 10, 1900. If I know where someone was buried, but I don't know the burial date I think it would work to add 2 or 3 days to the death date and say about. Here, just saying after the date of death, doesn't seem to narrow the time down enough, although it is accurate, I HOPE! This is probably another place where we are going to have to ask ourselves; "What is the definition of 'IS'?" Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: [FO] (FO) Living Vs Dead ==== SNIP ==== > My suggestion > is leave it blank or use an about date. If someone tells you Harry died about > 1956 enter "abt 1956" but if they tell you he died before 1956 and you put > "bef 1956" When before 1956 in 1946, 1936, 1926 1916?????. > > OK, Thats my two cents worth. > > Bob Rose > >

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >> for the definition of Assume" that the person died? What you are saying by using a "bef" date for a death date is that the person could have died right after birth up until the before date you have entered. My suggestion is leave it blank or use an about date. If someone tells you Harry died about 1956 enter "abt 1956" but if they tell you he died before 1956 and you put "bef 1956" When before 1956 in 1946, 1936, 1926 1916?????. OK, Thats my two cents worth. Bob Rose<< In my view <abt> is more misleading, as it suggests you have a basis for what date you say. <bef> as I record it has some basis, i.e., a widow's death notice, a sibling's death notice. Typically an infant death time is known if the birth time is known. Paul Studly Cleveland/Chesterland, OH [email protected]

Thanks to all that replied. I think I've found a neater solution. A fact can be added to the the Facts List, under, "Lists", "Facts Type" in the toolbar. I added "Twins" as "Add Fact" item on an individual. You can also select which reports you want this new fact to appear in, etc. Pretty handy! It also worked for my question of some time back about name changes too. I just added a Fact called "Name Change". This feature is also good for getting rid of those "Facts" you never use, that clutter up the list, you can delete as well as add facts.

This may not be the "ideal" way, but I try to indicate twins in the suffix field using the format: (twin). I have not attempted to search on the suffix field -- perhaps someone can say if this is possible. If I have something like Jr., or 2nd in the field, I just space over a couple more spaces and put (twin). Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.D. Kotrla-Chipps" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 4:56 AM Subject: [FO] Wish List Spent a wonderful day at a family reunion! What a place to fill in the blanks. Several of us noticed quite a few twins throughout our family's history. It would be nice to have a twin search feature. Or is there a way to do it now? ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html

Spent a wonderful day at a family reunion! What a place to fill in the blanks. Several of us noticed quite a few twins throughout our family's history. It would be nice to have a twin search feature. Or is there a way to do it now?

In a message dated 7/13/02 10:04:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > for the definition of Assume" that the person died? What you are saying > by using a "bef" date for a death date is that the person could have died > right after birth up until the before date you have entered. My suggestion > > is leave it blank or use an about date. If someone tells you Harry died > about > 1956 enter "abt 1956" but if they tell you he died before 1956 and you put > "bef 1956" When before 1956 in 1946, 1936, 1926 1916?????. > > OK, Thats my two cents worth. > > Bob Rose > > Dear Bob: If you know the birth of his last child, you could say after "the birth of that child", or in some cases I know of the father died while the mother was still pregnant with an unborn child, so maybe "Abt_Year" would be better. FO is arranged so that we can use several different ways of doing things so that others can understand what we are getting at. Virginia

The program allows entry of dates with or without the qualifiers "before", "after" and "about". What possible difference does it make which method you use? Standardization will never happen - it's hard enough to get two teen agers to sit down for dinner, let alone at the same time, so how can millions of family historians be standardized? Just enter it your own way and forget this silly discussion! Earl B. Akers, Sr. Puyallup WA <A HREF="http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~banyantree">The Banyan Tree</A>

I use the "bef" death dates frequently in my database but they are almost all from relatives listed in obituaries as having predeceased the subject of the obit. Then I list them as having died before the publication date of the obit. I think this useful for me to know and records their being mentioned in a printed source. Dan [email protected] wrote: > > Death. That is going to happen to all of us and none of us know when. It > can be from 1 day old to 112 years old. Maybe some even a little older. If > you don't have anything in the death and a person is 125 then they must be > dead. When did they die?? Why do you have to Assume "And thank you Alfred > for the definition of Assume" that the person died? What you are saying > by using a "bef" date for a death date is that the person could have died > right after birth up until the before date you have entered. My suggestion > is leave it blank or use an about date. If someone tells you Harry died about > 1956 enter "abt 1956" but if they tell you he died before 1956 and you put > "bef 1956" When before 1956 in 1946, 1936, 1926 1916?????. > > OK, Thats my two cents worth. > > Bob Rose

I guess I am getting to old for this new thinking. I have always been told that when a person leaves the womb that they either live or die. If they live they are Born. If I don't know when someone was born I would normally say I don't know, but in doing Genealogy it is nice to be able to know the about birth date when someone was born. " abt 1827" If I am looking for say George Smart and you have 10 George Smart's in your data bases you can at least get in the ball park with the right George, if you find out when he was born without looking at all 10 George's. All the genealogy programs I have worked with use "abt" "bef" "aft". I personally don't use to many "bef" and "aft" on birth and death dates as they can get you in trouble when doing a PROBLEM REPORT. Death. That is going to happen to all of us and none of us know when. It can be from 1 day old to 112 years old. Maybe some even a little older. If you don't have anything in the death and a person is 125 then they must be dead. When did they die?? Why do you have to Assume "And thank you Alfred for the definition of Assume" that the person died? What you are saying by using a "bef" date for a death date is that the person could have died right after birth up until the before date you have entered. My suggestion is leave it blank or use an about date. If someone tells you Harry died about 1956 enter "abt 1956" but if they tell you he died before 1956 and you put "bef 1956" When before 1956 in 1946, 1936, 1926 1916?????. OK, Thats my two cents worth. Bob Rose I use an "Assumed" note. If a person was born in 1860, I enter a death date of "bef. 1960" then put the word "Assumed" in the note. When making a book, I do a search (you have to be editing with word processing software) for Assumed and make it read "It is assumed he died before 1960." This makes it clear that no date of death is known but the person would be in excess of 100 years old if deceased. This prevents the person from being shown as Living in a report. I do the same with marriage dates for a couple with children if I know the birth year of at least one child. It can also be done with birth dates, but that's a little more perilous since assuming a child was born AFTER the parents' marriage is frought with speculation. As is the fact that the couple was married at all! The word "Assumed" in the note helps a great deal. Hmmmm. I wonder if "Assumed" could be used as a source as well, causing it to show up as a footnote? Sounds like something I'll fiddle with. Loretta Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ Ford County ILGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ Iroquois County Genealogical Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/ My Families http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~loretta/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Winfrey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: [FO] Living vs Dead > If no dates are known for birth and death, and the life took place 200 years > ago, does FO know the person is dead? Is there a flag for Living/Dead? > > Jim > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm > >

"Jim Winfrey" <[email protected]> wrote: >If no dates are known for birth and death, and the life took place 200 years >ago, does FO know the person is dead? Is there a flag for Living/Dead? If you have a death event, even with no date or any data at all, that will indicate that the person died. When I don't know when I put "date unknown" in the date field. That makes the report say "He died date unknown." which is better than just "He died". Wayne League

The reason for entering SOMETHING as a death fact for a person who would be in excess of 100 years old if living is so that when making Web pages or some other format in which you do not want living people's statistics to show, the program will identify the person as dead. If the person is not identified as dead to the program, the program will treat that person as living and not generate their birth or marriage dates, even if you have those and want them displayed. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 11:55 AM Subject: [FO] (FO) Living Vs Dead > I guess I am getting to old for this new thinking. I have always been told > that when a person leaves the womb that they either live or die. If they > live they are Born. If I don't know when someone was born I would normally > say I don't know, but in doing Genealogy it is nice to be able to know the > about birth date when someone was born. " abt 1827" If I am looking for say > George Smart and you have 10 George Smart's in your data bases you can at > least get in the ball park with the right George, if you find out when he was > born without looking at all 10 George's. All the genealogy programs I have > worked with use "abt" "bef" "aft". I personally don't use to many "bef" > and "aft" on birth and death dates as they can get you in trouble when doing > a PROBLEM REPORT. > Death. That is going to happen to all of us and none of us know when. It > can be from 1 day old to 112 years old. Maybe some even a little older. If > you don't have anything in the death and a person is 125 then they must be > dead. When did they die?? Why do you have to Assume "And thank you Alfred > for the definition of Assume" that the person died? What you are saying > by using a "bef" date for a death date is that the person could have died > right after birth up until the before date you have entered. My suggestion > is leave it blank or use an about date. If someone tells you Harry died about > 1956 enter "abt 1956" but if they tell you he died before 1956 and you put > "bef 1956" When before 1956 in 1946, 1936, 1926 1916?????. > > OK, Thats my two cents worth. > > Bob Rose > > > > I use an "Assumed" note. If a person was born in 1860, I enter a death date > of "bef. 1960" then put the word "Assumed" in the note. When making a book, > I do a search (you have to be editing with word processing software) for > Assumed and make it read "It is assumed he died before 1960." This makes it > clear that no date of death is known but the person would be in excess of > 100 years old if deceased. This prevents the person from being shown as > Living in a report. > > I do the same with marriage dates for a couple with children if I know the > birth year of at least one child. It can also be done with birth dates, but > that's a little more perilous since assuming a child was born AFTER the > parents' marriage is frought with speculation. As is the fact that the > couple was married at all! The word "Assumed" in the note helps a great > deal. > > Hmmmm. I wonder if "Assumed" could be used as a source as well, causing it > to show up as a footnote? Sounds like something I'll fiddle with. > Loretta > > Iroquois County ILGenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~iliroquo/ > Ford County ILGenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilford/ > Iroquois County Genealogical Society > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ilicgs/ > My Families > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~loretta/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Winfrey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:12 AM > Subject: [FO] Living vs Dead > > > > If no dates are known for birth and death, and the life took place 200 > years > > ago, does FO know the person is dead? Is there a flag for Living/Dead? > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, > etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, > go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm > > > > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ > >

Heh Heh. Yes, I do, Alfred. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Eller" <[email protected]> To: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Living vs Dead > You do know what they say about "Assume" don't you? > > <};-) > > I am already in that category, but you had better be careful. > > > > The Devil made me do it! > > > Alfred D. Eller > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ > > ========================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Loretta Krumwiede Barlow" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [FO] Living vs Dead > > > > I use an "Assumed" note. If a person was born in 1860, I enter a death > date > > of "bef. 1960" then put the word "Assumed" in the note. > >

If no dates are known for birth and death, and the life took place 200 years ago, does FO know the person is dead? Is there a flag for Living/Dead? Jim

I got there with Internet Explorer, first try. -----Original Message----- From: Sandra E. T. Duncan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Friday, July 12, 2002 3:41 PM Subject: [FO] Cannot access my data at FOW I finally created my data online and it is really not what I want yet but I cannot access it after trying for over two hours Help please Cookies have not been touched all was done in lowercase so, now what??? http://www.familyorigins.com//users/d/u/n/Sandra-T-Duncan/index.html My latest stuff done today 12 JUL 2002 Sandra ______________________________