WRONG ! You have 2 of the best Tech Support options right here. First, there is a large contingent of members of this list who can solve a variety of problems. You may get some incorrect information from some who may misunderstand your needs or are trying to help based upon their own experiences. Secondly, the author of Family Origins is a active member of this list and provides guidence as well. Now to your specific problem. You need to tell us a lot more. On your XP laptop, did you back up your data before trying to add this other batch? What program were you using to perform this "USB data exchange"? What files were you trying to move or copy? What do you mean FOW 10 did not like this? - specific messages. The message you detailed about the error opening the program is from XP. It sounds like you corrupted the installation of FOW 10. Just re-install it and try again. You may have also created other faults within Windows, which could be a much more serious matter. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Revare" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:05 PM Subject: [FO] FO-10 Tech Support > It appears there is no more tech support on Family Origins. The Formal Soft website is a Catch 22 situation. > Has anyone come across this problem--I installed 10 on my new laptop with XP. It worked fine for 2-3 months until I wanted to add new data. I was using a program to copy data by a USB cable from the desktop to the laptop. FO-10 did not like this at all. Now I can's even get the program to open. I am getting a message that says "we encountered an error opening this program. Do you want us to notify Microsoft"? I know M/S is not going to do anything about it. > Any suggestions? > Jack. > Jack Revare > Leawood, KS > [email protected] > Fam. History Book: http://www.revare.com/jack > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > FAMILY ORIGINS - Ordering, UPDATES, books, FAQ, FREE DEMO, Newsletter, etc. http://formalsoft.com For the 8.03 and 9.02 PATCHES and what they fix, go to: http://formalsoft.com/files.htm

YOU ALREADY HAVE A FILE ON YOUR COMPUTER IF YOU CREATED A WEB PAGE USING FOW 10 THE FILE IS "FOWSNDX.HTM" DO A FILE SEARCH TO LOCATE IT AND YOU'RE SET. JUST ADD IT TO YOU WEB SERVER AND REFERENCE "LINK" IT ON THE INDEX.HTM PAGE. HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! Jim Mahan --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com/ --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com --- "We will not waiver, we will not tire, we will not falter --- and we will not fail. Peace and Freedom will prevail." --- President George W. Bush --- 7 October 2001 --- ALL OUT-GOING AND INCOMING MAIL IS SCANNED BY --- NORTON ANTIVIRUS.!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Itzin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: [FO] Surname List Folks, I've searched, but cannot find an answer to this one. I want to create a Surname List like the one that is created when a website is created. That is, each surname listed once, the list in paragraph form. I would like to put this out on my website as an easy reference. Is there any way to easily create this list, or do I have to do it the hard way?? Thanks in advance for your help. Mike [email protected] ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space.

On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Thom Richardson wrote: > receiving the daily digest. But there's no text, just a bunch of > attached files. The first usually contails a list of the posts and > administrative info. Then each posting is a separate attachment. > It's awkward, each attachment takes multiple clicks, etc, to view. This is the way that I get the digest, too. But this is the way that I LIKE it. I am on other email lists where the entire digest comes in one file and it is SO ANNOYING. I have trouble finding the messages that I want to read amidst all the others. I don't know how to solve your problem, but please, don't anyone change the digest format. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jane Huggins, Ph.D., ATP "In the cross of Christ, justice and mercy come together." [email protected] -- James Paternoster %%%%%%%%%%%%% http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~janeh %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

In a message dated 7/29/2002 7:58:05 AM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > The threaded achives site for Rootsweb mail lists is: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > and the Search engine for archived mail lists is: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Enter FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS in either one, not case sensitive. Or just go here for all the options for the list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS.html - Bruce <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A>

Hello List: At one time there was a way to go to the archives and type in a subject rather than looking at the messages in order. Can we still do that? Sally Thoreson researching Walter & Faye Williams (brothers), WA state, Ernest and William Vrooman, CA

The threaded achives site for Rootsweb mail lists is: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and the Search engine for archived mail lists is: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS in either one, not case sensitive. -- Mike Sally Thoreson wrote: > > Hello List: > At one time there was a way to go to the archives and type in a subject rather than looking at the messages in order. Can we still do that?

Isn't that ceremony usually referred to as a "Solemnization"? You either could make a fact for that or list it in marriage notes: "The marriage was solemnized on --------- at ---------------" giving the church name, etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [FO] marriage event question > There is no correct answer, but let me ask you a question. > > How many divorces would it take to dissolve the marriage? I suspect only one > since the second marriage was only a cermony and probably did not have the > legal paperwork. > > Regardless of how you record it, for clarification and completeness, use the > marriage notes to add this supplemental information. > > Dick > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Chapman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 6:26 AM > Subject: [FO] marriage event question > > > > This is not a Family Origins problem, but a request for a solution to a > > "minor" problem I have with a marriage event. > > > > Our son eloped last year and of course we entered the data of his civil > > marriage, which is the actual date of his marriage. > > > > However, he and his wife have now had religious ceremony. > > Can anyone suggest how to handle this in FO 10? I doesn't seem logical, > > to me anyway, to list two "marriage" events. Or is it? with a note that > > the 2nd event was the religious ceremony. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > -- > > John Chapman > > "THESE are the times that try men's souls.." Thomas Paine 1776 > > > > Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying > to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important > to your reply. > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ >

Thanks to all whom made suggestions on handling the 2 marriage "events" I'll probably go with just including the data and place of the religious "marriage" in the note field of the civil marriage date. I do realize that the civil marriage is the actual marriage event, but wanted to record for posterity that there was a second event and where and when it occurred. Thanks for all the suggestion. -- John Chapman "THESE are the times that try men's souls.." Thomas Paine 1776 Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/

In Belgium, for example, the civil ceremony is required and the church ceremony is "optional". J Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Ford" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [FO] marriage event question John, if they were legally (marriage certificate filed with county) married the first time then that is the marriage. If they divorced before the second occurrence then they could be "legally" married again. If not divorced then the second time did not involve the ministry (or one who performed the ceremony) did not file any papers with the county. The second time was a ceremonial renewal of their previous marriage. You could write the details in a note related to their marriage. Howard Ford > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Chapman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 6:26 AM > Subject: [FO] marriage event question > > > This is not a Family Origins problem, but a request for a solution to a > > "minor" problem I have with a marriage event. > > > > Our son eloped last year and of course we entered the data of his civil > > marriage, which is the actual date of his marriage. > > > > However, he and his wife have now had religious ceremony. > > Can anyone suggest how to handle this in FO 10? I doesn't seem logical, > > to me anyway, to list two "marriage" events. Or is it? with a note that > > the 2nd event was the religious ceremony. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > John Chapman > > John Chapman ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: [email protected] or [email protected] for DIGEST --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.380 / Virus Database: 213 - Release Date: 7/24/2002

I made another mistake, but have caught it. I now need to see if this is the way to fix it. I as the subject says, put the same family in twice, Do I just delete the parents, in the error entry? If this is not the correct way, what is? Thanks Debby

If you only duplicated this couple, and the other entry is complete, just delete the extra family and included individuals. If your duplicate entry has some new facts, or some new children, then it would be probably best to MERGE the two fathers and MERGE the two mothers, so that you retain those new facts. You may, then find that you have two marriage events for them, you can compare and delete the extra facts. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: [FO] Double Entries > > I made another mistake, but have caught it. I now need to see if this is the > way to fix it. I as the subject says, put the same family in twice, Do I just > delete the parents, in the error entry? > > If this is not the correct way, what is? > > Thanks > > Debby >

John, if they were legally (marriage certificate filed with county) married the first time then that is the marriage. If they divorced before the second occurrence then they could be "legally" married again. If not divorced then the second time did not involve the ministry (or one who performed the ceremony) did not file any papers with the county. The second time was a ceremonial renewal of their previous marriage. You could write the details in a note related to their marriage. Howard Ford > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Chapman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 6:26 AM > Subject: [FO] marriage event question > > > This is not a Family Origins problem, but a request for a solution to a > > "minor" problem I have with a marriage event. > > > > Our son eloped last year and of course we entered the data of his civil > > marriage, which is the actual date of his marriage. > > > > However, he and his wife have now had religious ceremony. > > Can anyone suggest how to handle this in FO 10? I doesn't seem logical, > > to me anyway, to list two "marriage" events. Or is it? with a note that > > the 2nd event was the religious ceremony. > > > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > John Chapman > > John Chapman

This is not a Family Origins problem, but a request for a solution to a "minor" problem I have with a marriage event. Our son eloped last year and of course we entered the data of his civil marriage, which is the actual date of his marriage. However, he and his wife have now had religious ceremony. Can anyone suggest how to handle this in FO 10? I doesn't seem logical, to me anyway, to list two "marriage" events. Or is it? with a note that the 2nd event was the religious ceremony. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks -- John Chapman "THESE are the times that try men's souls.." Thomas Paine 1776 Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/

There is no correct answer, but let me ask you a question. How many divorces would it take to dissolve the marriage? I suspect only one since the second marriage was only a cermony and probably did not have the legal paperwork. Regardless of how you record it, for clarification and completeness, use the marriage notes to add this supplemental information. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chapman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 6:26 AM Subject: [FO] marriage event question > This is not a Family Origins problem, but a request for a solution to a > "minor" problem I have with a marriage event. > > Our son eloped last year and of course we entered the data of his civil > marriage, which is the actual date of his marriage. > > However, he and his wife have now had religious ceremony. > Can anyone suggest how to handle this in FO 10? I doesn't seem logical, > to me anyway, to list two "marriage" events. Or is it? with a note that > the 2nd event was the religious ceremony. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > -- > John Chapman > "THESE are the times that try men's souls.." Thomas Paine 1776 > > Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply.

Since there were two "marriage" events, it would seem perfectly logical to enter both of them. John Chapman wrote: >This is not a Family Origins problem, but a request for a solution to a >"minor" problem I have with a marriage event. > >Our son eloped last year and of course we entered the data of his civil >marriage, which is the actual date of his marriage. > >However, he and his wife have now had religious ceremony. >Can anyone suggest how to handle this in FO 10? I doesn't seem logical, >to me anyway, to list two "marriage" events. Or is it? with a note that >the 2nd event was the religious ceremony. > >Any suggestions would be appreciated. > >Thanks >

I have often received different information on a birth or death date and just entered it under alt. birth date giving the circumstances in source and notes, i.e. John Doe b. 24 JUL 1930 according to Uncle Harold John Doe alt . birth b. b. 24 Jan according to CABI is believed that cousin Harold mis-read what his father wrote for the birth of John Doe Works fine for me and acceptable in all programs , I think? SANDRA TYLER DUNCAN Sacramento,CA http://www.gencircles.com/users/purplevw1/1/ http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogysleuthb.htm all my mail scanned by Norton Below is the only place that will accept attachments [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chapman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 5:26 AM Subject: [FO] marriage event question > This is not a Family Origins problem, but a request for a solution to a > "minor" problem I have with a marriage event. > > Our son eloped last year and of course we entered the data of his civil > marriage, which is the actual date of his marriage. > > However, he and his wife have now had religious ceremony. > Can anyone suggest how to handle this in FO 10? I doesn't seem logical, > to me anyway, to list two "marriage" events. Or is it? with a note that > the 2nd event was the religious ceremony. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Thanks > -- > John Chapman > "THESE are the times that try men's souls.." Thomas Paine 1776 > > Home Page http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~johnjay/ > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. >

Dick Wells said: >A word of advice to those not really up to speed on GEDCOM's - learn everything you can and practice importing and exporting. Learn about the LST (error) file and it's messages too. < Oh dear. My interest is in Family History and to accomodate that I try to understand every which-way of Family Origins but I have baulked at tangling with GEDCOMS. It now seems that I have no choice but to get my feet wet so how best can this be done without wading through the full GEDCOM spec (which I assume is available somewhere? David

On 26 Jul 2002, at 18:59, Wayne League wrote: > "E.J. (Jim) Fisher" <[email protected]> wrote: > > >The two fields I want to see are source name and source > >description. > > If you were to go through all your sources and make the author field > the same as the source name (or vice versa) then those conditions > would be met. Thanks Wayne, good idea. I'll have a look at what impact, if any, that might have on other reports, but it sounds like the answer. I occasionally (but not often) use the Author field as such, but I could always move that data to the description to free the field for this use. There's a few hundred sources to change, but it should be worth it. Naturally I shall experiment on a test database first. The suggestion is much appreciated. Jim Fisher in Luton, Beds., UK. http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/geneal.htm - Fam hist pages I use CDs produced by Archive CD Books to assist fellow researchers http://www.archivecdbooks.org

"Sandra E. T. Duncan" <[email protected]> wrote: >Ok I am trying to keep up really I am >Please tell me where to find >specs for .lst and MSWord Whenever you import a gedcom file into FO there will be a .LST file with the same name as the gedcom file. It will be a text file in the same folder as the database you have imported into and it will contain a list of errors or items in the gedcom file that FO did not recognize and therefore did not import. It will list them by line number in the gedcom file so you can open the gedcom file in a text editor alongside of the .LST file, and go to each line that FO missed and see what it was. MSWord is one of the two major word processor programs that most people use. The other one is Word Perfect. Wayne League

Jim Wise <[email protected]> wrote: >Can anyone think of a workaround for this problem short of renaming a >thousand+ graphics files or keeping the existing, soon-to-be meaningless, >filenames? If you wanted to change the filenames of a thousand image files, you could use the Ulead Photo Explorer program which is a pretty good photo management program and in version 6 it is freeware. With it you can highlight from one to all the files in a folder and have it rename them all very quickly. Or it will renumber them, or change the case, replace part of the names, add some text, or crop some text from all of them, all in one operation. It will also do other neat things, such as arrange photos on a sheet of photo paper with the number of pictures you specify per page and print all the photos you have highlighted using as many sheets as necessary. You can download it from http://www.ulead.com/pex/freeware.htm Wayne League