Plan for the way that images can be printed, not just linked to an individual (or source) for reference. FO 10 Journal allows multiple individual scrapbooks with different layouts but does not seem to allow family scrapbooks (used to print one image on group sheets.) FO 10 book-in-progress has a mix of source images from one page high to two pages wide as the province of Ontario changed registration books around 1900. For family images in a Journal, I need the tall ones in the descendant's scrapbook and the wide ones in the spouse's scrapbook or whatever combination happens to fit best for a household. Two scrapbooks based on shape are easier to manage than a separate scrapbook for each source. I'm dealing with a branch of the family that has some of the common first names used in many households and there are some intermarriages of cousins. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Gualco" > In PAF 5, each citation can have its own image. Is it true that in Family > Origins 10, an image can only be attached to a source, but not to an > individual citation? Can each source have only one image? If so, what do you > with multiple images for a single source, such as book where several pages > are cited for different facts? (Other than sticking them in a scrapbook for > an individual or family.)

In Family Origins 10, an individual can have a scrapbook. A family, a fact, (birth, death, marriage etc.), and a source can each have a scrap of their own. I don't know if the number of items in a scrapbook is limited. If it is limited it is probably 200 items per scrapbook. Source citations do not have a scrapbook of their own. I do not know where the citation images that PAF uses would go when a GEDCOM is imported into Family Origins. I would guess either into the fact or source scrapbook. I haven't played with PAF 5 enough to know. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regina Gualco" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 11:11 PM Subject: [FO] Attaching Images to Citations > In PAF 5, each citation can have its own image. Is it true that in Family > Origins 10, an image can only be attached to a source, but not to an > individual citation? Can each source have only one image? If so, what do you > with multiple images for a single source, such as book where several pages > are cited for different facts? (Other than sticking them in a scrapbook for > an individual or family.) > > Thanks, > Regina > >

I have not used this particular list. It looks interesting. I guess I will have to try it a bit more than this little test. It looks like a nice way to print up a to-do, or information needed list. It looks like it is only reporting the missing facts for the individuals selected. If Birth and marriage are complete then only the part of the death fact that is missing is reported. In my case, I am still alive so there are two blank lines for my death information, but my birth date and place are entered as are my marriage date and place, so they are not even included. If John Doe has none of these facts entered, there will be two blanks on each of the Birth, Marriage and Death lines. So, I don’t think that you are doing anything wrong, unless you know that more of the individuals entered have missing data. Alfred D. Eller Help for Windows beginners: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 9:01 PM Subject: [FO] Missing Info List > Have been trying to use the Missing Information List. I highlighted three > facts, b, m, and d. Then selected the three list options. I then > selected ten individuals that I wanted this info on. > > When I went to print only three names appeared and not all of the facts > that I selected were present. Did it again with different and more names > and got the same results. > > What am I doing wrong? any recommendations > > Walt >

Have been trying to use the Missing Information List. I highlighted three facts, b, m, and d. Then selected the three list options. I then selected ten individuals that I wanted this info on. When I went to print only three names appeared and not all of the facts that I selected were present. Did it again with different and more names and got the same results. What am I doing wrong? any recommendations Walt

Walt, In the Missing Information List dialog box, to the right of the list of facts, what List Options have you selected. Your choices are: -- Print if fact is missing -- Print if fact exists but date is missing -- Print if fact exists but place is missing More than likely, one or more of these options have not been selected and is therefore affecting what gets printed. Checkmark them all and see what happens. Allan Plucinik Colorado Springs, CO [email protected] wrote: >Have been trying to use the Missing Information List. I highlighted three >facts, b, m, and d. Then selected the three list options. I then >selected ten individuals that I wanted this info on. > >When I went to print only three names appeared and not all of the facts >that I selected were present. Did it again with different and more names >and got the same results. > >What am I doing wrong? any recommendations > >Walt >

In PAF 5, each citation can have its own image. Is it true that in Family Origins 10, an image can only be attached to a source, but not to an individual citation? Can each source have only one image? If so, what do you with multiple images for a single source, such as book where several pages are cited for different facts? (Other than sticking them in a scrapbook for an individual or family.) Thanks, Regina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com

When you say the picture remains unchanged, are you speaking of the thumbprint that shows on the screen? Go to the directory in which your photos for FO are stored -- the ones in the scrapbooks. Remove the .thu files for the photos you edited. This will force FO to make new thumbprint files. Those are what show in the window. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Thoreson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: [FO] Photo puzzle > Keith and list: > I tried your suggestion and removed Readonly. Picture still remains as original without editing. Even removed archive check and still have the original picture. These were family slides scanned by my brother onto CD. Perhaps that process has something to do with my problem? Sally Thoreson > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to [email protected] for ordering information. >

"Sally Thoreson" <[email protected]> wrote: >I tried your suggestion and removed Readonly. Picture still remains >as original without editing. Where does the multimedia link in FO think the photo is located? Did you change the link to the folder where you moved the photo to on the hard drive? If FO is reading the photo file from the CD then it is not even looking at the photo you placed on the hard drive but is trying instead to save the edited file back to the CD. It can't do that even with a CDRW drive unless the CD was originally recorded in a certain special way and definitely not if the photo on the CD is read only. Wayne League

Do you get the Family Origins Dialogue window that asks if you want to "Save the modified image"? It shouldn't have much to do with where the image file came from, as long as FOW will display it. When I save the modified image it works just fine. If I set the read only attribute before I try to modify the image, everything works just the same, there is no warning that the modification cannot be saved or anything, BUT, the picture isn't modified. Did you perchance remove the read only attribute from the "THU" file instead of the main picture file? Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally Thoreson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: [FO] Photo puzzle > Keith and list: > I tried your suggestion and removed Readonly. Picture still remains as original without editing. Even removed archive check and still have the original picture. These were family slides scanned by my brother onto CD. Perhaps that process has something to do with my problem? Sally Thoreson >

When you copy a file from a CD, it has the attribute of Readonly. You need to highlight all of the photos that you brought over, right click and select properties. Remove the checkbox in readonly and now you can edit them. Any file copied from a CDR or CDRW disk (other than those written by packet mode ... drag and drop) will always have the readonly attribute turned on. This is often the problem with restoring FO files as well as the photos from a CD. There are utilities that will change the entire folder and subfolder attributes to make things easier, but if you have only a few, the procedure above will do the job. Keith Thompson Sally Thoreson wrote: > > Good Morning List: > I have taken photos from a CD to the hard drive. I access them from within the FO scrapbook and then edit. (crop & change whatever) When done with editing the picture it is in the scrap book but without the editing. Just the original picture. Am I expecting a bit much? Sally Thoreson > > Researching Ernest & William Vrooman, CA Walter & Faye Williams (brothers) WA. > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Searchable ARCHIVES - > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS -- Keith Thompson, Worthington, OH Home Web Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~kthompson/ Genealogy Web Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kthompson If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

Keith and list: I tried your suggestion and removed Readonly. Picture still remains as original without editing. Even removed archive check and still have the original picture. These were family slides scanned by my brother onto CD. Perhaps that process has something to do with my problem? Sally Thoreson

Good Morning List: I have taken photos from a CD to the hard drive. I access them from within the FO scrapbook and then edit. (crop & change whatever) When done with editing the picture it is in the scrap book but without the editing. Just the original picture. Am I expecting a bit much? Sally Thoreson Researching Ernest & William Vrooman, CA Walter & Faye Williams (brothers) WA.

Now that some of my facts are out of time sequence, is there a technique that allows me to rearrange them? Thanks for any assistance. A J Mullen

Facts are arranged in chorological order, with certain combinations sequenced for a specific date. The key to doing this is FOW recognized dates. Non recognized dates are treated as text and sorted to the end. Two suggestions that will help. First, choose a date format that is explicit such that the month name displays in the date. Enter the date any way you want, but the displayed date will be in the format selected. Secondly, use date qualifiers such as BEF (before), AFT (after), etc. to put facts in the proper order. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug & AJ" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: [FO] rearranging facts > Now that some of my facts are out of time sequence, is there a technique > that allows me to rearrange them? Thanks for any assistance. A J Mullen > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space.

Mike Itzin wrote: > > Folks, > > I've searched, but cannot find an answer to this one. > I want to create a Surname List like the one that is created when a website > is created. > That is, each surname listed once, the list in paragraph form. I would > like to put this out on my website > as an easy reference. > Is there any way to easily create this list, or do I have to do it the hard > way?? > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Mike > > [email protected] > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space. Mike, If you have the software, it's pretty easily done. I use Excel to do this, and I can extract an alphabetical list of over 3000 surnames from my FO database in about 10 minutes. Here's the steps I use. If you don't have Excel, there may be other probrams you can use that will also work. First, create a custom report within FO based on one field, Surname. Direct that report to a text file. Import that text file into Excel. In Excel, make that list of names, which includes multiple instances of every surname you have in your data file, the first column. In the second column, in the second cell, insert this formula: =IF(A2=A1,"",A2) Replicate this formula for the length of your list of names. What this does is fill each cell in column B with either a null, or a name, depending on if it is the first occurance of that name or not. Then copy all the cells in column B and paste to column C using Paste Special, and choose Values. Then sort on column C Then delete all rows above where the names start in column C. Your list is then in column C. It's pretty easy to convert this from a list to a bunch of names in paragraph form using MS Word.... Just import the list into Word and do a search and replace on the paragraph symbol, replacing ^p with a comma & a space. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

Create a website of everyone in your database, Preview in the browser, Open the Surname list, highlight all the names and press the [Ctrl] - [c] key combination to copy it to the clipboard. Open NOTEPAD (WordPad or Word won't work, they also show the links.) Press the [Ctrl] - [v] key combination to Vaste it in there, from there you can copy to Word or a better word processor to change the format or something. (Now, you can go back and delete the folder with your Web Site in it.) Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Itzin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: [FO] Surname List > Folks, > > I've searched, but cannot find an answer to this one. > I want to create a Surname List like the one that is created when a website > is created. > That is, each surname listed once, the list in paragraph form. I would > like to put this out on my website > as an easy reference. > Is there any way to easily create this list, or do I have to do it the hard > way?? > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Mike > > [email protected] >

Am I going to have to get another computer so that I can help with Windows XP questions? <};-) I am not sure what part of copying data from one computer to another would upset Family Origins, unless you were overwriting or moving some of the data that Family Origins was using at the time. Family Origins puts a file in the windows folder of Win 95-98 and ME, "FOWin32.INI" I imagine that it is in the place where XP puts all of it's INI files too. It tells FOW what options you have set. If you delete this file, I think that you will be able to start Family Origins again. What I think is happening is that it is trying to load the last database that you had opened when it crashed in the first place. That database is probably corrupted in some way so that Family Origins cannot use it anymore. Once you get Family Origins running, restore your latest good backup. FormalSoft never did furnish tech support. Genealogy.com has the marketing rights and is supposed to furnish tech support. http://www.genealogy.com/help/?Welcome=1027978783 Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Revare" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: [FO] FO-10 Tech Support > It appears there is no more tech support on Family Origins. The Formal Soft website is a Catch 22 situation. > Has anyone come across this problem--I installed 10 on my new laptop with XP. It worked fine for 2-3 months until I wanted to add new data. I was using a program to copy data by a USB cable from the desktop to the laptop. FO-10 did not like this at all. Now I can's even get the program to open. I am getting a message that says "we encountered an error opening this program. Do you want us to notify Microsoft"? I know M/S is not going to do anything about it. > Any suggestions? > Jack. > Jack Revare > Leawood, KS > [email protected] > Fam. History Book: http://www.revare.com/jack >

Folks, I've searched, but cannot find an answer to this one. I want to create a Surname List like the one that is created when a website is created. That is, each surname listed once, the list in paragraph form. I would like to put this out on my website as an easy reference. Is there any way to easily create this list, or do I have to do it the hard way?? Thanks in advance for your help. Mike [email protected]

Well, no standard report was found to do this except for creating a web site. You did not state what you desire to do with this type of report. Do you want it to link to your FOW data? or just be a list. Either way, just extract the desired HTML code from the appropiate web page created during the Create Web session and modify, then use it. No need to do this manually. The hardest part of the job is defining your starting individual and how many generations to use. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Itzin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: [FO] Surname List > Folks, > > I've searched, but cannot find an answer to this one. > I want to create a Surname List like the one that is created when a website > is created. > That is, each surname listed once, the list in paragraph form. I would > like to put this out on my website > as an easy reference. > Is there any way to easily create this list, or do I have to do it the hard > way?? > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Mike > > [email protected] > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE send personal replies and "THANK YOU" message privately. All messages on this list are archived and archiving takes up valuable space.

It appears there is no more tech support on Family Origins. The Formal Soft website is a Catch 22 situation. Has anyone come across this problem--I installed 10 on my new laptop with XP. It worked fine for 2-3 months until I wanted to add new data. I was using a program to copy data by a USB cable from the desktop to the laptop. FO-10 did not like this at all. Now I can's even get the program to open. I am getting a message that says "we encountered an error opening this program. Do you want us to notify Microsoft"? I know M/S is not going to do anything about it. Any suggestions? Jack. Jack Revare Leawood, KS [email protected] Fam. History Book: http://www.revare.com/jack