Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? The heading for index prints on a book in RTF format, but there is no index. Also, is it normal for the pictures not to go into an RTF file? On the ASCII txt file the photo checkbox gets grayed out, but not on RTF. I am on FO ver 9. Should I go to 10? > Regards, > > Guy C. Snyder >

Sorry Alfred - I guess I got my Gurus mixed up. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred Eller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report - WISH LIST > I think that I told this story before, so if you have already read, it > you can divert your eyes. > > I created an empty database, named it NoOutput. Then I went through the > Facts List and unchecked all of the output options for every fact. Then > I made a backup of it. > > Now if I want a report with only the birth, marriage and death facts, I > Restore the backup of NoOutput and import a GEDCOM that I exported from > the desired database. Go to the Facts List and put a check mark in the > output options for the facts I want, then create the report. > > After the report is created you can delete this database, you still have > the backup of NoOutput to use for the next project. > > > Alfred D. Eller > Help for Windows beginners: > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > > ==========================

I wish that too. The only thing I could think of to help was to make a duplicate copy (Restore the backup to another folder) and uncheck the events I don't want. That way, they stay unchecked. I renamed the database and if I do anything extensive to my usual database, I drag and drop into it. Our direct lines change less than we think. I have a print out from PAF of my direct line pedigree charts printed on a dot matrix printer that is surprisingly the same as today. I don't always go to the trouble of entering those custom events for people who are not on a direct line family Group Sheet. Another thing might be Wayne's suggestion to make a database template. Make a duplicate database set up the way you want it. Delete all the people. Then use it to import people into whenever you have a special need. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Kelly-Bly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [FO] Modifying a Book report - WISH LIST > Since I had to print out a family book, only 7 generations, and had to make > changes to it in a word processor to remove information. I can understand > where Guy is coming from. > > I currently have 84 unique fact types (user defined and standard). To print > out a book with just birth, marriage, and death information means that I > need to change 81 fact types not to print in the book, print my book, then > go back and change 81 fact types back again. > > My wish would be to have an option for the Books to print just basic > information. > > Thank You, > Brianne > > > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report > > > > In a message dated 8/2/2002 7:56:31 AM Mountain Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > I would like to create a ancestry/descendant book that does not > > include all > > > of the facts. In other words. > > > > > > This is what I would like. > > > 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He > > died on May > > > 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Do "Lists, Fact types" from the main menu, Edit a fact type you > > don't want, > > and uncheck the box for that fact to print in books. Repeat as necessary. > > > > - Bruce > > <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A> > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ > >

Since I had to print out a family book, only 7 generations, and had to make changes to it in a word processor to remove information. I can understand where Guy is coming from. I currently have 84 unique fact types (user defined and standard). To print out a book with just birth, marriage, and death information means that I need to change 81 fact types not to print in the book, print my book, then go back and change 81 fact types back again. My wish would be to have an option for the Books to print just basic information. Thank You, Brianne > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report > > In a message dated 8/2/2002 7:56:31 AM Mountain Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > I would like to create a ancestry/descendant book that does not > include all > > of the facts. In other words. > > > > This is what I would like. > > 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He > died on May > > 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. > > > > Any suggestions? > > Do "Lists, Fact types" from the main menu, Edit a fact type you > don't want, > and uncheck the box for that fact to print in books. Repeat as necessary. > > - Bruce > <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A>

Nobody knows, How lists are sorted, Nobody knows, But Burce. There have been no details released so far. Bruce is giving a demonstration at a Genealogy meeting in California in about a week. Maybe after that then we will receive a few details. The RootsMate web site: http://www.rootsmate.com/ Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Gohlke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: [FO] Want a more flexible search list > Hello List, > > I've been off line for a couple of months so probably missed a lot of > information on ROOTSMATE. Rather than search the archives for something > that may not even be there, can anyone tell me if the new program sorts > the search list, pick list or explore list the same way as FO and other > programs - that is, by surname first and given name second with no way to > alter it? This inability to alter it has been a bone of contention with me > for a long time and I don't think it will ever change. > > Charles Gohlke - FO user since version 1 >

I think that I told this story before, so if you have already read, it you can divert your eyes. I created an empty database, named it NoOutput. Then I went through the Facts List and unchecked all of the output options for every fact. Then I made a backup of it. Now if I want a report with only the birth, marriage and death facts, I Restore the backup of NoOutput and import a GEDCOM that I exported from the desired database. Go to the Facts List and put a check mark in the output options for the facts I want, then create the report. After the report is created you can delete this database, you still have the backup of NoOutput to use for the next project. Alfred D. Eller Help for Windows beginners: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Kelly-Bly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: RE: [FO] Modifying a Book report - WISH LIST > Since I had to print out a family book, only 7 generations, and had to make > changes to it in a word processor to remove information. I can understand > where Guy is coming from. > > I currently have 84 unique fact types (user defined and standard). To print > out a book with just birth, marriage, and death information means that I > need to change 81 fact types not to print in the book, print my book, then > go back and change 81 fact types back again. > > My wish would be to have an option for the Books to print just basic > information. > > Thank You, > Brianne > > > -----Original Message----- > > Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report > > > > In a message dated 8/2/2002 7:56:31 AM Mountain Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > I would like to create a ancestry/descendant book that does not > > include all > > > of the facts. In other words. > > > > > > This is what I would like. > > > 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He > > died on May > > > 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > Do "Lists, Fact types" from the main menu, Edit a fact type you > > don't want, > > and uncheck the box for that fact to print in books. Repeat as necessary. > > > > - Bruce > > <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A> > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ > >

That is just the way it is when you paste or insert files from your word processor without saving it to text in advance. I have wished for a tab capability in the notes for years. It may have something to do with preparing the text for gedcom. To eliminate the square boxes, save the word processor file to a text file before you copy or insert it into Family Origins and it will do away with the boxes. I get the square boxes in my Family Group Sheets and other screen reports that are printed directly. If they are saved to rtf, apparently .rtf reads them correctly and the boxes disappear. It is too late for version 10. Maybe it will not be a problem in Rootsmate. Betty ----- Original Message ----- From: "John S. Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 7:05 AM Subject: [FO] What am I doing wrong? > What am I doing wrong to get square boxes instead of tabs, > when I print a Book report from FO10? It doesn't happen to text or RTF > reports that I look at with WORD or Notepad. Only the on screen or print > view. > I don't have a square character on my keyboard to show it. > > Have A Great Day > > John S. Wilkinson > Rome, NY > mailto:[email protected] > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ > >

In a message dated 8/2/2002 7:56:31 AM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I would like to create a ancestry/descendant book that does not include all > of the facts. In other words. > > This is the way I would normally get the book info. > 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He resided at in > the Valley District in 1880 in Preston Co., West Virginia. He died on May > 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. He died of old age on May 22, 1939 > in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. He was buried on May 24, 1939 in Masontown > Cemetery, Preston, WV. He served in the military during the Civil War. He > worked for himself as a farmer. He resided at his home in Morgantown, > Monongalia, WV. He was a member of the M. E. Church in Masontown, Preston, > WV. > > This is what I would like. > 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He died on May > 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. > > Any suggestions? Do "Lists, Fact types" from the main menu, Edit a fact type you don't want, and uncheck the box for that fact to print in books. Repeat as necessary. - Bruce <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A>

I would like to create a ancestry/descendant book that does not include all of the facts. In other words. This is the way I would normally get the book info. 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He resided at in the Valley District in 1880 in Preston Co., West Virginia. He died on May 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. He died of old age on May 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. He was buried on May 24, 1939 in Masontown Cemetery, Preston, WV. He served in the military during the Civil War. He worked for himself as a farmer. He resided at his home in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. He was a member of the M. E. Church in Masontown, Preston, WV. This is what I would like. 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He died on May 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. Any suggestions? > Regards, > > Guy C. Snyder >

Well, at least it is a fun things.... Arlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: [FO] off topic > National Driver's License Records Bureau > > You can look up anyone's driver's license information, picture, birthday, everything! > > http://www.license.shorturl.com/ > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ > >

I think that you might be wise to start with this website. Once through that, you will probably have all of the basics in knowledge to burn the first cd. It answers the questions of what, how, etc. http://www.cdrfaq.org/ Keith Thompson Varick wrote: > > I am almost embarrassed to ask this question but . . . > > > > I have a new computer that has a "CD Burner" (wish it was called > anything but Burner). > > > > I have not yet had the intestinal fortitude to use it to back up my > programs. > > > > Will SKS please walk me through this process? I have two CD slots and > no explanation as to which one I should use (they probably assume I > know). > > > > (It has windows xp and outlook 2002). > > > > Floreda > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Family Origins GenForum - http://genforum.genealogy.com/fo/ > Tech Support Knowledge Base http://www.familyorigins.com/support/ -- Keith Thompson, Worthington, OH Home Web Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~kthompson/ Genealogy Web Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kthompson If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

I am almost embarrassed to ask this question but . . . I have a new computer that has a "CD Burner" (wish it was called anything but Burner). I have not yet had the intestinal fortitude to use it to back up my programs. Will SKS please walk me through this process? I have two CD slots and no explanation as to which one I should use (they probably assume I know). (It has windows xp and outlook 2002). Floreda

It sounds as if you are using tabs in the text and importing that text to FO. Tabs do not reproduce in FO (unfortunately). Keith Thompson "John S. Wilkinson" wrote: > > What am I doing wrong to get square boxes instead of tabs, > when I print a Book report from FO10? It doesn't happen to text or RTF > reports that I look at with WORD or Notepad. Only the on screen or print > view. > I don't have a square character on my keyboard to show it. > > Have A Great Day > > John S. Wilkinson > Rome, NY > mailto:[email protected] > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ -- Keith Thompson, Worthington, OH Home Web Page: http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~kthompson/ Genealogy Web Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kthompson If you think education is expensive, try ignorance.

What am I doing wrong to get square boxes instead of tabs, when I print a Book report from FO10? It doesn't happen to text or RTF reports that I look at with WORD or Notepad. Only the on screen or print view. I don't have a square character on my keyboard to show it. Have A Great Day John S. Wilkinson Rome, NY mailto:[email protected]

The basic problem you encountered is caused by two things. 1. The font being used cannot print the character representing the numeric code for it., and 2. The database report writer (used to create the report) does not permit certain characters such as tabs to function. At this time, and for a long time in the past, a fix for this problem has been on the Wish List. Many users want to add columnized data to their notes. The only way presently is to use spaces, but that only works for one specific font and font size. Any changes to the font and the columns are out of synch. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "John S. Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:05 AM Subject: [FO] What am I doing wrong? > What am I doing wrong to get square boxes instead of tabs, > when I print a Book report from FO10? It doesn't happen to text or RTF > reports that I look at with WORD or Notepad. Only the on screen or print > view. > I don't have a square character on my keyboard to show it. > > Have A Great Day > > John S. Wilkinson > Rome, NY > mailto:[email protected] > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/

Wow!!! That is why when merging place names it never got smaller (big sigh here) after reading about packing , I went from 8509 places to 7414 Tank you so much, now to go back to merging places again. I knew about packing but it did not penetrate my brain until this morning SANDRA TYLER DUNCAN Sacramento,CA http://www.gencircles.com/users/purplevw1/1/ http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogysleuthb.htm all my mail scanned by Norton Below is the only place that will accept attachments [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Family Origins User In a message dated 8/1/2002 7:36:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I have 8,340 people in my "xxxxxx" data base; My cousin has 12,256 in her > "oooooo" data base; Periodically, she finds information for my data and I > find information for hers. When we visit, we exchange backup files on a > CD. I have her data in my computer as well as my own, after backing up all > of my information, I restore her backup file to her data in my PC, writing > over the older data. I lose 100 or more people when this is done, there is > no definite number. Harold, Are you (or she) packing the database (using the "File, Pack database" command)? When you delete or merge people, FO simply "marks" the record as deleted, but the record is still there behind the scenes and is still counted when you do the "File, Information" command. So for example, if you have 10,000 people in your database, and then delete 4000 of them, the "File, Information" command will still show you as having 10,000 people in your database. If you then do the "File, Pack database" command, FO will physically remove the marked deleted records, and the "File, Information" command will now show 6,000 people in the database. - Bruce <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A> ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html

I don't think that it will make much difference in the GEDCOM itself. But, you will know how many individuals should be in the GEDCOM if you pack first, then check the database information. I exported a GEDCOM of my doubled database that I had merged, the one that showed 18208 individuals in the information, then, I packed it and exported another GEDCOM, there was one byte difference in their file sizes. But the Backup was a different story, it had to make room for all of the deleted/merged information. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mahan" <[email protected]> To: "Alfred Eller" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Family Origins User > So Alfred are you saying it is best to pack your database before exporting a > Gedcom? > > I am following this string intently. I'm learning something all the time. > Interesting. Long time user of FOW. > > HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! > > Jim Mahan >

Jim that makes two of us. I have used FO from the first and only found this website about a year ago and I have learned more in the past year than the ten years before!! What a great site. Lester ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mahan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Family Origins User > So Alfred are you saying it is best to pack your database before exporting a > Gedcom? > > I am following this string intently. I'm learning something all the time. > Interesting. Long time user of FOW. > > HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! > > Jim Mahan > > --- http://james.mahan.tripod.com/ > --- http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jrmahan > > --- http://mahanscadsolutions.com > > --- "We will not waiver, we will not tire, we will not falter > --- and we will not fail. Peace and Freedom will prevail." > --- President George W. Bush > --- 7 October 2001 > > --- ALL OUT-GOING AND INCOMING MAIL IS SCANNED BY > --- NORTON ANTIVIRUS.!! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alfred Eller" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [FO] Family Origins User > > > > You didn't rile me, and I do not think that you stepped on anyone's > toes. I was just trying to tell you what Dick Wells told you, "You don't > need the customer number here, we will help you without it, or, at least > try to" (Dick always sounds angry, but his bark is worse than his bite > <};-) > > After your second note, (Take Two . . .) I realize that you are not both > working on the same database. > > I think that Bruce might have hit on the answer, but, I think that the > number of individuals and packing works exactly the same as it did in > version 9, 8, 7 etc. > A Backup and Restore does not Pack the database, I just tested it: > > I have 9104 individuals in my test database, I was checking merging > sources yesterday, so I exported a complete GEDCOM and imported it back > into itself, giving me 18208 individuals in the database, I did the > smart merge and the individuals all merged, so I was back one of each, > but the count still said 18204. I just now created a backup of that > database, then restored it into a new folder and the restored database > still says that there are 18208 individuals. > > I then went back to the original database and packed it, it now shows > 9104 individuals in the count. I tried a backup of this, just to check > the size and found that the backup before packing was 1792KB and after > packing it was 1118KB, so those blank spaces take up quite a bit of > room. > > ======= > > Try this, Do a backup of your database and then pack it, Do a backup of > your cousin's database and then pack it. Have your cousin do the same > and compare the numbers you get from the database information window. > > You are not the first person to think that they were loosing information > when the numbers decreased. When you transfer by a GEDCOM, import it > into a new, empty database, that new database will start out packed so > it will probably show less people than the originating database, unless > the original database was packed just before the GEDCOM was exported. > > I am sure that I have told you more than you wanted to know, but, it is > free and worth every penny. > > > Alfred D. Eller > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ > > ========================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Harold Morris" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:37 PM > Subject: [FO] Family Origins User > > > > OKayyyy,,,,, > > > > Let's start this thing all over,,,,,,,,,,,,,, (Take Two.,..) > > It seems I have riled a bunch of Family Origins Users out there and I > apologize for copying and pasting the message intended for the OWNER of > the program. I admit I did this in an angry mood and certainly didn't > intend to step on the toes of so many FO people. > > I MADE A MISTAKE,,,,,,,,,, OK???? > > Let me back up and try again,,, > > I have 8,340 people in my "xxxxxx" data base; My cousin has 12,256 in > her "oooooo" data base; Periodically, she finds information for my data > and I find information for hers. When we visit, we exchange backup > files on a CD. I have her data in my computer as well as my own, after > backing up all of my information, I restore her backup file to her data > in my PC, writing over the older data. I lose 100 or more people when > this is done, there is no definite number. This happens to her as well. > I bought my copy, she bought her copy. Both of them couldn't have the > same discrepancies. This is what I need help in......... I have gone > back to version 9.0 because I have lost information I'm unable to > recover. Through the process of trying to correct or find what the > problem is, I have lost info in my backup files as well. Surely, I'm > not the only one this has happened to.............. Or, am I? > > > > Your FRIENDLY FO user, > > > > Harold Morris, Sr. age 71,,,,,, not exactly Ned, in the First Reader. > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm > ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ > > >

> >I have 8,340 people in my "xxxxxx" data base; My cousin has 12,256 in her > >"oooooo" data base; Periodically, she finds information for my data and I > > >find information for hers. When we visit, we exchange backup files on a > >CD. I have her data in my computer as well as my own, after backing up > all > >of my information, I restore her backup file to her data in my PC, writing > > >over the older data. I lose 100 or more people when this is done, there > is > >no definite number. By the way, you can't lose people when transferring via backup, since a backup simply zips up the database, and unzips it on the other end. The database is never even opened to allow loss of data. Transferring via GEDCOM can be another story however <g>. - Bruce <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A>

In a message dated 8/1/2002 7:36:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > I have 8,340 people in my "xxxxxx" data base; My cousin has 12,256 in her > "oooooo" data base; Periodically, she finds information for my data and I > find information for hers. When we visit, we exchange backup files on a > CD. I have her data in my computer as well as my own, after backing up all > of my information, I restore her backup file to her data in my PC, writing > over the older data. I lose 100 or more people when this is done, there is > no definite number. Harold, Are you (or she) packing the database (using the "File, Pack database" command)? When you delete or merge people, FO simply "marks" the record as deleted, but the record is still there behind the scenes and is still counted when you do the "File, Information" command. So for example, if you have 10,000 people in your database, and then delete 4000 of them, the "File, Information" command will still show you as having 10,000 people in your database. If you then do the "File, Pack database" command, FO will physically remove the marked deleted records, and the "File, Information" command will now show 6,000 people in the database. - Bruce <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A>