Hello all I have had a problem when packing one of my databases. Despite having made TWO backups (on on hard and one on floppy), there seems to be corruption of data. I now have two identical people on most of the entries (as well as duplicated sources). The programme will not let me merge two records which are the same person. It also appears some of the sources have been mixed up with the wrong people???? Any help out there? Thanks in advance Carol BArrie

I tried to produce an index in OpenOffice but couldn't get it to do anything but the title "Index" -- no entries. The help file indicated it should work exactly the way MS Word does but I could produce an index in Word but not in OpenOffice on the same document. I could very well be missing something though. Happy searchin' Pat 8/3/2002 1:45:22 PM, Charlie <[email protected]> wrote: >JESSE DAVIS wrote: >> >> Wonder if Open Office at >> http://www.OpenOffice.org >> would work? >> J Davis > >My understanding is that Open Office is a somewhat less featured >version of Star Office. I haven't yet tried to generate an index with >Star Office, but I have that on my "list" and will post back here if >it works. > >-- >Charlie Hoffpauir >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/ > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > PLEASE remove as much of the Original Message as possible when replying to a List Posting. Include only that part of the original message important to your reply. > > >

JESSE DAVIS wrote: > > Wonder if Open Office at > http://www.OpenOffice.org > would work? > J Davis My understanding is that Open Office is a somewhat less featured version of Star Office. I haven't yet tried to generate an index with Star Office, but I have that on my "list" and will post back here if it works. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

For the person who needs WORD or another word processor capable of using .rtf files, Microsoft, had in the past, a cd -- Home Essentials98 -- which included Word97. I am not sure if they are still producing such a collection of programs, or one containing Word, but it was relatively inexpensive compared to the office suite and came free with new computers at that time. There used to be an office suite by STAR or STARR publishers that was similar to the Microsoft suite and Word, but could be downloaded for free. I never used it, but a friend said it did almost everthing that the Microsoft Word suite did, so one might do a search on Google and see what you turn up. I did see a program by Starr in a Cosco store on the West coast a couple weeks ago. So someone who uses it, might be able to tell the gentleman if it uses .rtf files. Perhaps a web search for rtf might turn up some possibilities for you for lower cost programs with the capability to create the FO index from an rtf file. Margaret Scheffler

MScheffler wrote: > > For the person who needs WORD or another word processor capable of > using .rtf files, Microsoft, had in the past, a cd -- Home > Essentials98 -- which included Word97. I am not sure if they are > still producing such a collection of programs, or one containing Word, > but it was relatively inexpensive compared to the office suite and > came free with new computers at that time. > > There used to be an office suite by STAR or STARR publishers that > was similar to the Microsoft suite and Word, but could be downloaded > for free. I never used it, but a friend said it did almost everthing > that the Microsoft Word suite did, so one might do a search on Google > and see what you turn up. I did see a program by Starr in a Cosco > store on the West coast a couple weeks ago. So someone who uses it, > might be able to tell the gentleman if it uses .rtf files. > > Perhaps a web search for rtf might turn up some possibilities > for you for lower cost programs with the capability to create the FO > index from an rtf file. > > Margaret Scheffler > There are a few alternatives for those not wanting to buy MS Word, but wanting to create an index from the RTF files that FO generates. Lotus (IBM now) has a software suite that can be bought very reasonable, and the word processor does create an index. WordPerfect also has a very good word processor that will generate an index. Star Office (a new product by Sun) has an excellent word processor that is file compatible with MS Word (it will read a MS Word file, and also write back a file that MS Word will accept)..... I would think it does an index, but I haven't actually tried to do one with it yet. Some of these products can be bought very cheap if you are willing to accept "last year's" version. One on-line shop that sometimes has specials on WordPerfect and Lotus is Direct Deals Dot Com(http://www.directdeals.com/). WordPerfect Office 2002 is selling for just over $20 right now. It's an OEM version, which means that this is the version that's supplied with a computer when you buy a computer that includes Wordperfect. -- Charlie Hoffpauir http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~charlieh/

In a message dated 8/3/2002 8:48:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Alfred, > How do you access the Index when your data is in MS Works? > Lloyd > I'm not Alfred, but... IMO, MS Works is just a few things tossed in to enable manufacturers to sell a unit a little more cheaply and is not a true word processor. My MS Works doesn't allow me to edit .rtf files, in fact I have to use a Word Viewer to even see them, so I don't think this thread applies. Unless, of course, I'm all wrong, which has proven to be the case periodically! Earl B. Akers, Sr. Puyallup WA

In a message dated 8/2/2002 8:31:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > That all depends on your word processor. > > I use MS Word, and with that you: > > Move the cursor to the end of the article, Just below where it says > "Index" > > Go to the "Insert" menu and select "Index and Tables" > > You can take it from there. > Alfred, How do you access the Index when your data is in MS Works? Lloyd

From what I wrote: > > You can view RTF files with WordPad, but much of the functionality of > Word is not there. It is better than a plain text file because much of > the formatting is retained, but you cannot see the codes or create the > index, although you can edit and print them. > Someone might think that you can edit and print the codes and the index with WordPad. That is not what I was trying to convey. You can edit the text and the formatting and even save or print an RTF file with WordPad, but you cannot add an index or view, edit or print the underlying RTF codes. And I sometimes think that OTHER people should take English lessons because their messages are hard to understand <};-) Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ==========================

I do not know much about MS Works. I don't think the earlier versions are capable of handling RTF files. I Think that some of the later versions of Works include a full MS WORD program so that they are capable of handling the RTF files. You can view RTF files with WordPad, but much of the functionality of Word is not there. It is better than a plain text file because much of the formatting is retained, but you cannot see the codes or create the index, although you can edit and print them. This tiny bit of knowledge about MS Works has been gleaned mostly from various computer adds. It is more of a feeling than a fact. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [FO] missing index .rtf > > > Alfred, > How do you access the Index when your data is in MS Works? > Lloyd >

I do not quite understand when this problem occurred. You did not have any duplicates before you packed the database? Do both of your backups have the duplicates? Then you must have had the duplications before the backups were created. Are the record numbers the same on the two instances of the same person? =========== I would restore one of the backups to a NEW, EMPTY folder and see if it is ok. Then if it is, I would try packing that. (The original backup remains intact through a Restore operation, so you shouldn't need to backup again.) Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol and Alf Barrie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:02 PM Subject: [FO] FO V.7 duplicate persons problem > Hello all > > I have had a problem when packing one of my databases. Despite having made TWO backups (on on hard and one on floppy), there seems to be corruption of data. > > I now have two identical people on most of the entries (as well as duplicated sources). The programme will not let me merge two records which are the same person. It also appears some of the sources have been mixed up with the wrong people???? > > Any help out there? > > Thanks in advance > Carol BArrie >

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: [FO] missing index .rtf > You say when you attempt to print a book in .RTF format the index is simply > hidden and all we should do is follow the directions in order to print it. > Where are these directions? I am at a loss to find them. > Different word processors have different procedures! The <Help> button subjects related to indexes and .RTF contain the info you seek... but that takes digging ;-) > I find I must put the report in .RTF format in order to adequately proof it > but I haven't a clue as to how to find that missing/hidden index:>) > Trust us... it's there! It's not shown in it's final form, because if you rearrange the body "text" (layout) of the book... names/words move/change. The surname Johnson may have been on pages 2 & 5 when you first imported the .RTF, but, now that you have rearranged/added/deletted... they are referenced on pages 3, 6, & 7. Since the majority of users have MS Word, I will use Word97 as an example. Once the book is imported to the word processor, formatting changes completed, and additions in place: 1. Place the cursor at the END of the document, beyond the Heading "INDEX" 2. Choose <Insert> from tool bar at the top and select <Index and Tables> 3. A tabbed window opens with the focus *already* on the INDEX tab. 4. Choosing or clicking the TYPE & FORMAT, etc. depicts the changes in a small preview window of how the index will appear. When satisified, click <OK> and the index will "magically" be inserted where your cursor was pointing! VOILA! > Also, did I miss something a suggestion as to what happened to the pictures > in this report format? > In the FO Book Report generation screen (where you are choosing to save as .RTF) there are options to be checked for <Include Photos?> <Print index at end of book> <Start each generation on a new page?> ETC... Folks who are familiar with creating indexes and concordances in their word processors, would "uncheck" <Print index at end of book?> and then export the .RTF. They would then create their OWN index from within the word processor. Sounds like YOU want to have <Include photos?> and <Print index at end of book?> chosen when you export the .RTF from Family Origins. Hope this helps. > Alfred, thank you for your excellent suggestions on this list. You have been > most helpful in my getting better use from this software. > > Bill Brinkley > Alfred is a "Jewel" on this list and is surrounded by many other "Gems" who respond freely with answers to complement him. Oops, I'm sounding like a jewelry salesman ;-) I can see where Bruce got the name for his new genealogy masterpiece, because we are *all* RootsMate(s). Happy documenting !!! -=Kevin=-

The index is created in MSWord after exporting from FO to Word. Go to where the Index is supposed to be and generated the Index from the Insert Menu. I like that cause I can control how the Index looks. Pictures have never transferred via text or rtf files into Word. That is fine, cause then you can change the picturers FO user since V1 now on v10 Concerned about what is in Rootsmate, and how it looks like FO if not. Annette DeCourcy Towler Home page for DeCourcy & Pack http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~decourcy/ Web page for St. Cloud Area Genealogists, Inc. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mnscag/SCAG/index.htm Family Researching in SE KY PACK, CHANDLER, WHEELER, FAIRCHILD, RAMEY, MILLER/MILAM/MILLAM, JAYNE, McSPADDEN Researching in NE KY DeCOURCY, ELLIS, BALL, MAINS, LEWIS, EVANS, SPILMAN, HUTCHINS, HAMILTON Researching in PA, IL WESSLING, SOMERS, SCHULER, PLAGGEE -----Original Message----- From: Snyder, Guy C. [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [FO] Missing Index on RTF Book Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? The heading for index prints on a book in RTF format, but there is no index. Also, is it normal for the pictures not to go into an RTF file? On the ASCII txt file the photo checkbox gets grayed out, but not on RTF. I am on FO ver 9. Should I go to 10? > Regards, > > Guy C. Snyder > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: [email protected]

That all depends on your word processor. I use MS Word, and with that you: Move the cursor to the end of the article, Just below where it says "Index" Go to the "Insert" menu and select "Index and Tables" You can take it from there. ============ The reason that it isn't there to begin with is that the page numbers will change as the formatting and editing changes. So, be sure to insert the index just before printing and with the paragraph symbols turned off, so that the page numbers will be correct. Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: [FO] missing index .rtf > You say when you attempt to print a book in .RTF format the index is simply > hidden and all we should do is follow the directions in order to print it. > Where are these directions? I am at a loss to find them. > > I find I must put the report in .RTF format in order to adequately proof it > but I haven't a clue as to how to find that missing/hidden index:>) > > Also, did I miss something a suggestion as to what happened to the pictures > in this report format? > > Alfred, thank you for your excellent suggestions on this list. You have been > most helpful in my getting better use from this software. > > Bill Brinkley >

You say when you attempt to print a book in .RTF format the index is simply hidden and all we should do is follow the directions in order to print it. Where are these directions? I am at a loss to find them. I find I must put the report in .RTF format in order to adequately proof it but I haven't a clue as to how to find that missing/hidden index:>) Also, did I miss something a suggestion as to what happened to the pictures in this report format? Alfred, thank you for your excellent suggestions on this list. You have been most helpful in my getting better use from this software. Bill Brinkley

Margaret, Dick, Anne, .... Thanks for your responses. I guess I didn't miss much while off line. My gripe about FO has been the Kinship List. It is based on the search list and, for multiple entries of the same surname, you are bound to get relationships out of sequence because the order is based on the given name. For instance, my father Arthur is listed before my grandfather Charles. This really gets confusing when you have a lot of generations of the same surname with some repeats of certain given names (like mine, because I'm named after my grandfather). When working on a family, there is a re-arrange function for spouses and children that doesn't depend on where the given name is in the alphabet. It seems to me that something like that could be expanded into the search list. Back in the good old DOS days and before genealogy software was available, I used to keep my database in spreadsheet format (Quattro Pro). I had columns for Surname, Given Name, Born, etc., etc., etc. There was a sort function for the block of columns and rows and if you made the first sort key column A (Surname) and the second sort key column B (Given Name), you got exactly what you get in the FO search list. To change this so it made more sense, I added another column and put a simple code in there, like 1, 2, 3, ..., and changed the sort keys to column A, column X (sort code) and column B. Then I got the list arranged the way I wanted it. Maybe if we had another field for sort code (something like the suffix field), the problem could be solved. How about it, Bruce? Charles

Hello List, I've been off line for a couple of months so probably missed a lot of information on ROOTSMATE. Rather than search the archives for something that may not even be there, can anyone tell me if the new program sorts the search list, pick list or explore list the same way as FO and other programs - that is, by surname first and given name second with no way to alter it? This inability to alter it has been a bone of contention with me for a long time and I don't think it will ever change. Charles Gohlke - FO user since version 1

Alfred, I tried your suggestion. Here's what I did. 1. Created an empty database. 2. Went to Fact Types and one by one uncheck Book for everything except Birth, Marriage and Death 3. Created a Backup of the NoOutput database (so I would have it for future use) 4. Imported a gedcom of the family I wanted 5. Created a descendant book 6. Went to Fact Types and one by one uncheck Book for all the User Defined facts that the gedcom imported Once all that was done it does accomplish what I was looking for. Thank You, Brianne > -----Original Message----- > From: Alfred Eller [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report - WISH LIST > > > I think that I told this story before, so if you have already read, it > you can divert your eyes. > > I created an empty database, named it NoOutput. Then I went through the > Facts List and unchecked all of the output options for every fact. Then > I made a backup of it. > > Now if I want a report with only the birth, marriage and death facts, I > Restore the backup of NoOutput and import a GEDCOM that I exported from > the desired database. Go to the Facts List and put a check mark in the > output options for the facts I want, then create the report. > > After the report is created you can delete this database, you still have > the backup of NoOutput to use for the next project. > > > Alfred D. Eller > Help for Windows beginners: > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > > ========================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Kelly-Bly" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:21 AM > Subject: RE: [FO] Modifying a Book report - WISH LIST > > > > Since I had to print out a family book, only 7 generations, and had to > make > > changes to it in a word processor to remove information. I can > understand > > where Guy is coming from. > > > > I currently have 84 unique fact types (user defined and standard). To > print > > out a book with just birth, marriage, and death information means that > I > > need to change 81 fact types not to print in the book, print my book, > then > > go back and change 81 fact types back again. > > > > My wish would be to have an option for the Books to print just basic > > information. > > > > Thank You, > > Brianne > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report > > > > > > In a message dated 8/2/2002 7:56:31 AM Mountain Standard Time, > > > [email protected] writes: > > > > > > > I would like to create a ancestry/descendant book that does not > > > include all > > > > of the facts. In other words. > > > > > > > > This is what I would like. > > > > 1. Simon D. Snider was born on May 24, 1844 in Virginia. He > > > died on May > > > > 22, 1939 in Morgantown, Monongalia, WV. > > > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > Do "Lists, Fact types" from the main menu, Edit a fact type you > > > don't want, > > > and uncheck the box for that fact to print in books. Repeat as > necessary. > > > > > > - Bruce > > > <A HREF="http://RootsMate.com">http://RootsMate.com</A> > > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > The Genealogical Companion > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm > > Browsable Archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > GETTING THE MOST OUT OF FAMILY ORIGINS by Bruce Buzbee - FO DEMO > http://formalsoft.com NO WEB ACCESS? Write to [email protected] > for ordering information. >

Don't be sorry! I probably got the idea from Wayne's Idea of setting up an empty backup so you could restore it and import GEDCOMS so that the sentence structure and other options would be as you had them set By the way, if you have some user defined facts, you could start by restoring a backup of your original database to a new empty folder, rename the newly restored database, delete everyone, all of the places and all of the sources to make it empty, . Then you can edit all of the facts. But since most of us are past middle age, I don't think we will have time to do all of that deleting. I have an idea coming on, (and it hurts my head, running around up there all by it's lonesome) Create the new Empty database, name it NoOutput. Then, you add a temporary individual to your main database and gave him all of the user created facts that you have created, you don't want to even fill them in so that your new, NoOutput database will have no places. Then drag and drop him to the new empty database, then delete him. All of those facts would now be in the new database. You would still have to edit the sentence structure, but you could do that as you are telling the fact not to print. If you haven't done a good job of naming the user defined facts, then they will be harder to find. Go through the Fact Types list, when you click on Edit for a fact, if you can edit it's name, it is a user defined fact. Woops! a glitch! You will have to add a spouse for this temp individual so that you can use the user defined "Family Facts." And, another little related prob, when you are dragging and dropping, there is no selection for "Family", but since the only person related to your temp individual is his wife, you can select everybody related. Alfred D. Eller Help for Windows beginners: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report - WISH LIST > Sorry Alfred - I guess I got my Gurus mixed up. > > Betty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alfred Eller" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:56 AM > Subject: Re: [FO] Modifying a Book report - WISH LIST > > > > I think that I told this story before, so if you have already read, it > > you can divert your eyes. > > > > I created an empty database, named it NoOutput. Then I went through the > > Facts List and unchecked all of the output options for every fact. Then > > I made a backup of it. > > > > Now if I want a report with only the birth, marriage and death facts, I > > Restore the backup of NoOutput and import a GEDCOM that I exported from > > the desired database. Go to the Facts List and put a check mark in the > > output options for the facts I want, then create the report. > > > > After the report is created you can delete this database, you still have > > the backup of NoOutput to use for the next project. > > > > > > Alfred D. Eller > > Help for Windows beginners: > > http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > > > > ==========================

It's there, but it's hidden. In your word processor, follow the directions for generating the index and it will pop up for ya! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Snyder, Guy C." <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [FO] Missing Index on RTF Book Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 12:01:24 -0400 Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? The heading for index prints on a book in RTF format, but there is no index. Also, is it normal for the pictures not to go into an RTF file? On the ASCII txt file the photo checkbox gets grayed out, but not on RTF. I am on FO ver 9. Should I go to 10? > Regards, > > Guy C. Snyder > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: [email protected] Anne (Percival) Kruszka _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Who's Burce? Ha! I bet we don't hear anything until late September or early October. That's usually the amount of notice we get before a new release of FO! ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Alfred Eller" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FO] Want a more flexible search list Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 10:58:56 -0500 Nobody knows, How lists are sorted, Nobody knows, But Burce. There have been no details released so far. Bruce is giving a demonstration at a Genealogy meeting in California in about a week. Maybe after that then we will receive a few details. The RootsMate web site: http://www.rootsmate.com/ Alfred D. Eller http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~adelr/ ========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Gohlke" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 9:25 AM Subject: [FO] Want a more flexible search list > Hello List, > > I've been off line for a couple of months so probably missed a lot of > information on ROOTSMATE. Rather than search the archives for something > that may not even be there, can anyone tell me if the new program sorts > the search list, pick list or explore list the same way as FO and other > programs - that is, by surname first and given name second with no way to > alter it? This inability to alter it has been a bone of contention with me > for a long time and I don't think it will ever change. > > Charles Gohlke - FO user since version 1 > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ Anne (Percival) Kruszka _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com