> -----Original Message----- > From: Arthur Pollock [mailto:art272@comcast.net] > If you backup to a CD-R, once it is burned you cant reburn it. Why not > backup to a CD-RW and you can use it over and over as your files change. > Because CD-R's are dirt cheap [about 10-15¢ after rebates] and you can add them to your AOLdisk frisbee collection, or use them as mirrors to signal airplanes when you get lost with your GPS, or leave them in a geocache, or hang 'em on the fence to scare birds away from the garden . . . 'WAY more fun than having just one CD-RW around! Mike RANSOM

I don't think that's completely true, Allen. While a user created fact may not show up in the destination database properly, it will certainly be noted in the exceptions listing. OTOH, I will probably include any coordiante data available in the note section for each fact. e.g. a grave location would be noted in the 'burial' fact info. Good Hunting! -- Paul aka Graveseeker on Geocaching.com where YOU are the search engine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Siebold" <edalsie@nycap.rr.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [FO] Will RM have GPS? > GEDCOM standards are not up to an individual programmer. I suppose you can > add a fact which would be dedicated to GPS locations, but I wouldn't expect > GEDCOM standards to change very fast -- so unless you can 'trick' the GEDCOM > by using a standard field for GPS use -- it wouldn't be transferred. > > Allen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "E.Rodier" <cerear@telusplanet.net> > To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:28 PM > Subject: [FO] Will RM have GPS? > > > > Ron, > > Do you enter GPS data in Family Origins? Will RootsMagic have a Master > > Location list with fields for GPS? Some genealogy programs have fields for > > GPS and other data that cannot be exported to a GEDCOM. If they are used, > > the data should be duplicated in a field that survives GEDCOM transfers so > > that it is available for research contacts. > > > > I don't have a laptop but might try GPS with a Pocket PC. Pocket > Genealogist > > allows transfer without GEDCOM from the genealogy program with GPS fields > > but not sure if they are included in the current version. > > > > My method for cemetery locations in the city is to include a series of > > pictures in scrapbooks showing the way from a safe parking space to the > > grave in addition to maps of the cemetery. Maps or location pictures would > > have to be copied separately to the Pocket PC. Our first GPS seemed too > hard > > to learn and I didn't really find a use for it. Using a world map on DVD > to > > find locations within about ten miles but a 1904 paper atlas is better for > > communities that have since become part of large cities. Elizabeth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ron Mitchell" > > > My experience with GPS has been very favorable. I purchased a unit > > > along with a map program from DeLorme a few years ago. I hooked it up > > > with my Compaq laptop. I found it sensitive enough to follow my track > > > around in the back yard. Be aware that I am not pushing any Delorme > > > products, just relating my experience with them. > > > > > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > > Searchable ARCHIVES - > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-U > SERS > > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > UNSUBSCRIBE? Send the word: UNSUBSCRIBE(inside the message) and no additional text to: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L-request@rootsweb.com >

> The particular software I use allows saving of the 'trip' which can be > played back in real time or faster or slower. This allows notes to be > taken while you are sitting at home. And yes a coordinate is a > coordinate no matter where it comes from so is usable by anyone. For > instance my location is 44.19:84809N 87:37.37153W. Brrr. Cold country. I'm at 29 55.594N 95 34.872W I'm impressed with the accuracy of your unit (09 & 53). How close can you get with your unit? > My unit uses 4 aa cells and is good for about 4 hours. My Magellan Meridian uses two AA cells and is good for about 20 hours. > The unit is > just a receiver with no read out of it's own so the laptop is a > necessity. No longer. While the unit is, in fact, a receiver, the new ones have built in displays (mine is 1.75 inches wide by 2.25 in high) so they are self contained. > I would guess some one makes a GPS receiver with a direct > read out in coordinates but I haven't seen one. Even better, with compasses, maps, bearing, speed, ETA and Avg Speed indicators. > Won't go into the collision I had with an apple tree while watching my > progress on the laptop while walking around in the back yard. Yep, been there myself. I stepped in a nasty hole because I wasn't watching where I was going and had to limp out almost a quarter mile on a twisted anke.

> This is, as they say, off topic, but I think it will be of interest to other > graveyard stompers. I noticed your signature: "aka Graveseeker on > Geocaching.com," and this is a subject that I have been considering. That > is, I often have a hard time finding graves a second time. Within about a 6 meter square. > Is a GPS precise > enough to get me back to within a few feet of a grave? If I buy a GPS, > would the coordinates it gives me work on anyone else's to get them to the > same spot? Yes; the accuracy of this system is so dependable and precise that the military uses it to pinpoint troops and enemy positions. If we can find hidden geocaches, some of which are as small as a film canister, located hundreds of yards (and sometimes miles) out in the woods, you can find a gravesite. I've even heard of geocaches which use mathmatical computations of dates found on graves to produce new cache locations - kind of a progressive scavenger hunt. > The FAQ on the GeoCaching.com website said they should get you > to within 6 to 20 feet. That should be close enough to find a headstone. > Could you give me some personal feedback? Thanks. Any decent GPSr which is out in the open and receiving from at least four sattllites will get you much closer than 20 feet. I personally think that GPS location systems will be the wave of the future for genealogists - especially those with family graveyards which are difficult to locate or gravesites in the midst of huge graveyards. Course they'll also be good for locating churches, libraries, courthouses, etc. I recently wrote to Dick Eastman suggesting that he do an article on GPS usage. Hopefully, he'll develop something soon.

Each month I print out a birthday and anniversary list for my relatives and e-mail it to them. A cousin asked me today why they were off a year! And they are!! My computer date says 2002, I have a nephew that was born in January 1998 The birthday list says that he will be 4 years old. That is wrong it should say 5 years old. What is wrong???? I looked in the archives, but could not see an answer. I am using Ver 10 I also recieved my gift certificate today Bruce. Russ Turner The Woodlands TX

GEDCOM standards are not up to an individual programmer. I suppose you can add a fact which would be dedicated to GPS locations, but I wouldn't expect GEDCOM standards to change very fast -- so unless you can 'trick' the GEDCOM by using a standard field for GPS use -- it wouldn't be transferred. Allen ----- Original Message ----- From: "E.Rodier" <cerear@telusplanet.net> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:28 PM Subject: [FO] Will RM have GPS? > Ron, > Do you enter GPS data in Family Origins? Will RootsMagic have a Master > Location list with fields for GPS? Some genealogy programs have fields for > GPS and other data that cannot be exported to a GEDCOM. If they are used, > the data should be duplicated in a field that survives GEDCOM transfers so > that it is available for research contacts. > > I don't have a laptop but might try GPS with a Pocket PC. Pocket Genealogist > allows transfer without GEDCOM from the genealogy program with GPS fields > but not sure if they are included in the current version. > > My method for cemetery locations in the city is to include a series of > pictures in scrapbooks showing the way from a safe parking space to the > grave in addition to maps of the cemetery. Maps or location pictures would > have to be copied separately to the Pocket PC. Our first GPS seemed too hard > to learn and I didn't really find a use for it. Using a world map on DVD to > find locations within about ten miles but a 1904 paper atlas is better for > communities that have since become part of large cities. Elizabeth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Mitchell" > > My experience with GPS has been very favorable. I purchased a unit > > along with a map program from DeLorme a few years ago. I hooked it up > > with my Compaq laptop. I found it sensitive enough to follow my track > > around in the back yard. Be aware that I am not pushing any Delorme > > products, just relating my experience with them. > > > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > Searchable ARCHIVES - > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=FAMILY-ORIGINS-U SERS >

You might like taking a look at http://geogen.org/ At 12/30/02 07:13 PM -0700, you wrote: In a message dated 12/30/2002 10:20:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, >lnoll@netnitco.net writes: > > > > > > Paul, > > > > This is, as they say, off topic, but I think it will be of interest to > other > > graveyard stompers. I noticed your signature: "aka Graveseeker on > > Geocaching.com," and this is a subject that I have been considering. That > > is, I often have a hard time finding graves a second time. Is a GPS > precise > > enough to get me back to within a few feet of a grave? If I buy a GPS, > > would the coordinates it gives me work on anyone else's to get them to the > > same spot? The FAQ on the GeoCaching.com website said they should get you > > to within 6 to 20 feet. That should be close enough to find a headstone. > > Could you give me some personal feedback? Thanks. > > > > -Les

Ron, Do you enter GPS data in Family Origins? Will RootsMagic have a Master Location list with fields for GPS? Some genealogy programs have fields for GPS and other data that cannot be exported to a GEDCOM. If they are used, the data should be duplicated in a field that survives GEDCOM transfers so that it is available for research contacts. I don't have a laptop but might try GPS with a Pocket PC. Pocket Genealogist allows transfer without GEDCOM from the genealogy program with GPS fields but not sure if they are included in the current version. My method for cemetery locations in the city is to include a series of pictures in scrapbooks showing the way from a safe parking space to the grave in addition to maps of the cemetery. Maps or location pictures would have to be copied separately to the Pocket PC. Our first GPS seemed too hard to learn and I didn't really find a use for it. Using a world map on DVD to find locations within about ten miles but a 1904 paper atlas is better for communities that have since become part of large cities. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Mitchell" > My experience with GPS has been very favorable. I purchased a unit > along with a map program from DeLorme a few years ago. I hooked it up > with my Compaq laptop. I found it sensitive enough to follow my track > around in the back yard. Be aware that I am not pushing any Delorme > products, just relating my experience with them.

In a message dated 12/30/2002 10:20:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, lnoll@netnitco.net writes: > > Paul, > > This is, as they say, off topic, but I think it will be of interest to other > graveyard stompers. I noticed your signature: "aka Graveseeker on > Geocaching.com," and this is a subject that I have been considering. That > is, I often have a hard time finding graves a second time. Is a GPS precise > enough to get me back to within a few feet of a grave? If I buy a GPS, > would the coordinates it gives me work on anyone else's to get them to the > same spot? The FAQ on the GeoCaching.com website said they should get you > to within 6 to 20 feet. That should be close enough to find a headstone. > Could you give me some personal feedback? Thanks. > > -Les > > ooh, why didn't I think of this! Anne (Percival) Kruszka

My experience with GPS has been very favorable. I purchased a unit along with a map program from DeLorme a few years ago. I hooked it up with my Compaq laptop. I found it sensitive enough to follow my track around in the back yard. Be aware that I am not pushing any Delorme products, just relating my experience with them. The particular software I use allows saving of the 'trip' which can be played back in real time or faster or slower. This allows notes to be taken while you are sitting at home. And yes a coordinate is a coordinate no matter where it comes from so is usable by anyone. For instance my location is 44.19:84809N 87:37.37153W. My unit uses 4 aa cells and is good for about 4 hours. The unit is just a receiver with no read out of it's own so the laptop is a necessity. I would guess some one makes a GPS receiver with a direct read out in coordinates but I haven't seen one. One advantage in using the map program and the GPS is the ability to follow roads until you get to where you might have to hike to an old cemetery and then record as much of the trip as you think necessary for sharing or locating again in the future. One little thing that I found interesting. Using the laptop in the car and tracking my progress shows some severe deviation from the map. Your little green arrow showing your movement is often shown alongside the road which is an indicator that the GPS is a lot better than the maps! Won't go into the collision I had with an apple tree while watching my progress on the laptop while walking around in the back yard. Will however discuss any other questions one might have about my limited GPS experience. Ron Mitchell ronboy1@msn.com

Paul, This is, as they say, off topic, but I think it will be of interest to other graveyard stompers. I noticed your signature: "aka Graveseeker on Geocaching.com," and this is a subject that I have been considering. That is, I often have a hard time finding graves a second time. Is a GPS precise enough to get me back to within a few feet of a grave? If I buy a GPS, would the coordinates it gives me work on anyone else's to get them to the same spot? The FAQ on the GeoCaching.com website said they should get you to within 6 to 20 feet. That should be close enough to find a headstone. Could you give me some personal feedback? Thanks. -Les ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lester L. Noll lnoll@netnitco.net http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/lnoll ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Smith" <prsmith@houston.rr.com> To: <FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [FO] Backup-Restore-Gedcom > > Make a backup CD and store it in your desk at > > work. Etc. > > This is a good idea but it's even simpler to simply attach a gedcom or > backup to an email and send it to yourself at work. Depending on how much > work I've done, I can send one an hour or one a month and I can go to bed > that night comfortable in the knowledge that the house may burn down around > me but my data is safe <g>. I've probably got 40 of those emails in a > folder at work. The disk space is minimal and you can delete older emails > as necessary. > > P.S. I also do this for other important files such as my financial records > from Quicken and my Outlook Contacts folder. > > P.P.S. This works equally well with a sibling or cousin. You can store > each others files for safekeeping and that keeps everything in the family so > you know it won't get lost. > > > Good Hunting! -- Paul > aka Graveseeker on Geocaching.com > where YOU are the search engine. > > > ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== > My very basic Windows beginners help: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~adelr/index.htm > basic HTML: http://freepages.computers.rootsweb.com/~pasher/ >

Ihave used GPS for a number of years now - primarily to plot locations so they could be accurately transferred to a map. There are several things to watch out for - to my dismay, I also thought that all coordinates were the same - turns out that maps are based on different coordinate systems. My Garmin E-Trex Venture (a small unit - about the size of a small cell phone) has a screen readout that is about 1-1/8 inch by 2 1/8 inch. The entire unit is about 4.25x2x1 -- as I said, a small unit. It has the newer interpolating feature that will get accuracy down to less than three meters, depending on which and how many satellites can be seen at the particular time. You can easily duplicate a route by using the waypoints established on the original trip. The unit has at least a dozen different map coordinate systems - but the default is one called NAD 83, which is the most common used in the United States. Here in Hawaii, some mapping systems that were based on the old Kingdom data use a system called Old Hawaiian, so you need to be aware of the other systems. As I said, probably 99 percent of the systems in the U. S. use the NAD 83 system. It also has extremely long battery life - I have used less than half my battery life in about a year of limited use. There are advantages and disadvantages to each unit - you need to study each one and come up with what you would like in a unit before you decide. Some manufacturers of units are Garmin, Magellan, and DeLorme (although DeLorme may use another manufacturer's unit as they are primarily a map maker I believe. Anyway, I believe you will be pleased with almost any unit you buy, depending on your requirements. Aloha Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Ron Mitchell [mailto:ronboy1@msn.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:59 AM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FO] Backup-Restore-Gedcom My experience with GPS has been very favorable. I purchased a unit along with a map program from DeLorme a few years ago. I hooked it up with my Compaq laptop. I found it sensitive enough to follow my track around in the back yard. Be aware that I am not pushing any Delorme products, just relating my experience with them. The particular software I use allows saving of the 'trip' which can be played back in real time or faster or slower. This allows notes to be taken while you are sitting at home. And yes a coordinate is a coordinate no matter where it comes from so is usable by anyone. For instance my location is 44.19:84809N 87:37.37153W. My unit uses 4 aa cells and is good for about 4 hours. The unit is just a receiver with no read out of it's own so the laptop is a necessity. I would guess some one makes a GPS receiver with a direct read out in coordinates but I haven't seen one. One advantage in using the map program and the GPS is the ability to follow roads until you get to where you might have to hike to an old cemetery and then record as much of the trip as you think necessary for sharing or locating again in the future. One little thing that I found interesting. Using the laptop in the car and tracking my progress shows some severe deviation from the map. Your little green arrow showing your movement is often shown alongside the road which is an indicator that the GPS is a lot better than the maps! Won't go into the collision I had with an apple tree while watching my progress on the laptop while walking around in the back yard. Will however discuss any other questions one might have about my limited GPS experience. Ron Mitchell ronboy1@msn.com ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/

> I keep a copy of all my data on CD in a waterproof plastic container > "Zip-Lock Bag" in my automobile's glove compartment. Aren't you concerned that the temperature in that glove box will warp the CD? Even in the winter, temperatures in an auto in full sunlight can get pretty high. Good Hunting! -- Paul aka Graveseeker on Geocaching.com where YOU are the search engine.

> Make a backup CD and store it in your desk at > work. Etc. This is a good idea but it's even simpler to simply attach a gedcom or backup to an email and send it to yourself at work. Depending on how much work I've done, I can send one an hour or one a month and I can go to bed that night comfortable in the knowledge that the house may burn down around me but my data is safe <g>. I've probably got 40 of those emails in a folder at work. The disk space is minimal and you can delete older emails as necessary. P.S. I also do this for other important files such as my financial records from Quicken and my Outlook Contacts folder. P.P.S. This works equally well with a sibling or cousin. You can store each others files for safekeeping and that keeps everything in the family so you know it won't get lost. Good Hunting! -- Paul aka Graveseeker on Geocaching.com where YOU are the search engine.

I keep a copy of all my data on CD in a waterproof plastic container "Zip-Lock Bag" in my automobile's glove compartment. -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Bryan [mailto:c24m48@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 1:06 AM To: FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FO] Backup-Restore-Gedcom >There is another possibility for backups that I don't recall seeing >mentioned here, and that is backing up the critical files on another >computer over the lan. I have a LAN with three computers. I back-up > the >files to another machine. This is an excellent plan. But I would strongly encourage people to have at least one copy somewhere besides their house. What if their house burns down, for example. Send a CD or a ZIP drive or an E-mail attachment or something to a cousin in another state. Store copies on free space on the Internet, or space at your ISP (does not have to involve exposing your files to Internet search engines). Make a backup CD and store it in your desk at work. Etc. Jerry Bryan _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=747 4&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespa m_3mf ==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== The "Family Origins® Wish List" http://formalsoft.com/wishlist.htm ??? FAQ ??? -- http://www.graabek.com/fow/fofaq.html

>There is another possibility for backups that I don't recall seeing >mentioned here, and that is backing up the critical files on another >computer over the lan. I have a LAN with three computers. I back-up > the >files to another machine. This is an excellent plan. But I would strongly encourage people to have at least one copy somewhere besides their house. What if their house burns down, for example. Send a CD or a ZIP drive or an E-mail attachment or something to a cousin in another state. Store copies on free space on the Internet, or space at your ISP (does not have to involve exposing your files to Internet search engines). Make a backup CD and store it in your desk at work. Etc. Jerry Bryan _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf

On 29 Dec 2002, Bill Harms wrote: > There is another possibility for backups that I > don't recall seeing mentioned here, and that is > backing up the critical files on another computer > over the lan. I have a LAN with three computers. > I back-up the files to another machine. Also > about once per week, I back up the entire > directory and subdirectories where I have all of > my geneaology files. > > Keep smiling, > Bill Harms I agree with Bill. A second computer is the ultimate backup. I have FO on both machines and all my database files on each. I dan't have LAN but do have the two tied together via LapLink and can transfer files back and forth with no problem. This applies to .GED files and .ZIP files as well as the 35 data files for each database. One thing I've observed when looking at the data files is that they are not all the same date. If I have an editing session on a database, only a few of the data files get updated to the currebt date. Then when I tell LapLink to copy over the all the files, it skips the ones that don't have a newer date. What this means is that I can synchronize both machines very quickly - no messing around with exporting and importing GEDCOMS or backing up and restoring ZIP files. Charles Gohlke

Bill, you can write a custom report that should give you what you want, as you can select the individuals you want. You could use dates or other various items to narrow your field. If you want you can email me separately and I'll email you a copy of the ones I use to produce a similar report. Sue Bill wrote: >I am trying to print out a list of Individual LDS ordinances >and a list of LDS marriages from a selected portion of the >database. The only way to do it print out the lists after >making a separate GED because there is no way to select >portions of the database otherwise like you can for other >items. What else can I do, o have I missed something? > >Bill > > >==== FAMILY-ORIGINS-USERS Mailing List ==== >The Genealogical Companion http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2399/tgc.htm >Browsable Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/family-origins-users/ > > > >

I keep a copy of each backup in a small fire-proof safe, along with some irreplaceable photos and documents. Nancy Burgett Boone

Maybe a good update for ROOTSMAGIC?? Have not tried it yet, though SANDRA TYLER DUNCAN Sacramento,CA http://www.gencircles.com/users/purplevw1/1/ http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogysleuthb.htm all my mail scanned by Norton Below is the only place that will accept attachments SandraDuncan73@myfamily.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <mallyree@ispdr.net.au> To: "Michael Clarke" <michael.clarke@skynet.be>; <LegacyUserGroup@mail.millenniacorp.com> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 4:54 PM Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Box Charts & Brothers Keeper > I have just downloaded Brothers Keeper today and am amazed at the box > charts they do. Used to use FTM for this. Other people seem to be > interested in seeing where they fit into a box chart even though they > are not remotely interested in genealogy. This is one area where > Legacy falls down badly. The fact that BK6 can also print the photos > into the box chart is wonderful > Another thing I would love Legacy to be able to do is to be able to > print 3 (Yes, three) photos of everyone. A childhood shot, an adult > shot and an old age shot. Also the wedding picture would also be a > must in my opinion. > > > > > > I've found the box charts from Brother's Keeper v 6.1 *free* > > > download available at www.bkwin.org, to be the best, so far. > > > > The descendant tree and box charts in BK6 are most useful for showing how > > families are grouped in a graphic format. It is something that Legacy should > > have as standard but sadly lacks. Relying on the two addition programmes to > > provide over complicated and fussy solutions to what should be basic chart > > functions within Legacy demeans the product. > > > > -- > > Regards - Michael Clarke > > Email: michael.clarke@skynet.be > > Web Pages: http://users.skynet.be/sky34301/index.html > > > > > > > > Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > > > To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ > > > > To unsubscribe please visit: > > http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > Jean from Tuross Head, in Australia > "Lang may your lum reek" > > > Legacy User Group Etiquette guidelines can be found at: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > To find past messages, please go to our searchable archives at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/legacyusergroup%40mail.millenniacorp.com/ > > To unsubscribe please visit: > http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp