On 2013/11/23 14:41, Andrea Kent wrote: > I have a couple of ancestors who, although they were alive, will never appear > in certain UK censuses as they were abroad serving in the Army/Navy, etc. I stand to be corrected, but I thought the England & Wales Censuses included those serving overseas in the Armed Forces. I have certainly come across relatives of mine in the Royal Navy based, for example, in Gibraltar. Perhaps this was a Navy 'thing' and didn't apply so much to the Army. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Thanks Mike - I think that is true, certainly for the Navy where ships were included, but my great-grandfather was with the Army in Templemore, Ireland in 1871 and I don't think that was covered. I have another relative (not in the Forces) who was in America in 1851 (and actually recorded in the US 1850 census), so it is these kind of cases that I would like to remove from the missing census report.   Regards, Andrea ________________________________ From: Mike Fry <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2013, 13:39 Subject: Re: [FHU] Missing Census Facts On 2013/11/23 14:41, Andrea Kent wrote: > I have a couple of ancestors who, although they were alive, will never appear > in certain UK censuses as they were abroad serving in the Army/Navy, etc. I stand to be corrected, but I thought the England & Wales Censuses included those serving overseas in the Armed Forces. I have certainly come across relatives of mine in the Royal Navy based, for example, in Gibraltar. Perhaps this was a Navy 'thing' and didn't apply so much to the Army. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> I think that is true, certainly for the Navy where ships were included, but my great-grandfather was with the Army in Templemore, Ireland in 1871 and I don't think that was covered. I have another relative (not in the Forces) who was in America in 1851 (and actually recorded in the US 1850 census), <<snipped>> According to http://www.ukcensusonline.com/census/1911.php the 1911 census "is the first census to record full details of British Army personnel stationed overseas." Note that "overseas" must surely(?) mean outside the UK. Someone in the Army in Ireland in 1871 would be covered in the Irish census of that year. As for the Royal navy, that is mentioned in the FMP Blog on http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2011/07/ask-the-expert-disappeared-in-the-1881- census That mentions "separate census returns for Royal Navy At Sea" in some (but not all) of the earlier censuses. And no, I don't know what "At Sea" meant! Adrian B