Hello Jan This was interesting reading form me; I always thought that the qualifying address was the place where the person lives. This possible discrepancy would perhaps explain a mystery concerning the house where I lived in as a child: Apart from my parents, there was another man registered at "our" qualifying address. After a couple of years, a further name was added, the man's wife presumably. This man and his wife were definitely not living in our house and the names mean nothing to me i.e. not family or friends of my parents. I now wonder if this man was the owner of the house and that my parents were renting. Is there anyone who could comment on this? I have a further question regarding the electoral role, never having lived in England as an adult: Does one has to register every year or does one remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively cancelled when, for example, one moves house? Jane Merkel #14968 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Jan Murphy via Gesendet: Samstag, 28. November 2015 01:49 An: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role A caution for FH users who (like me) are relatively inexperienced at using Electoral Rolls -- often the qualifying address that gave someone the right to vote is not the same as the property at which they resided. It pays to scroll up to the top of the image and read the column headers, so that if you plan to enter a residence fact, you are looking at the proper column in the Electoral Roll. I have collected quite a few images, but I haven't yet determined which fact to use to enter the ownership of the qualifying property when it is not the same as the abode. I do want to keep track of those addresses as well, because they can be valuable clues about a family's migration or to identify that this is the individual you want in a group of same-name search results. Jan Murphy On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:13 AM, John Ellis via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi > I'm entering information from the electoral role for a family. > > Normally I would use residence for this purpose. I normally copy the > residence fact to each of the people living at that address > > However, I note that the sentence template now reads: "{date} > {individual} lived at {address} {place} <with {other=resident}>"; I've > added the address field. > > What I don't understand is how the "<with {other=resident}>" part of > the sentence template works. Where do you enter the "Other Resident" e.g. > husband and wife at the same address. > > Many thanks > > John > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Jane, See the section "The Franchise" beginning on page 8, of the British Library's Research Guide "Parliamentary Constituencies and their Registers since 1832 by Richard H A Cheffins" which is available to download at: http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelprestype/offpubs/electreg/parliamentary/parliamentaryconstituencies.pdf TNA refers users to this from their own guide at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/electoral-registration/ Hope these help. I am in the US so have no personal knowledge of how the system works in the UK. Jan Murphy packrat74@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:19 AM, Jane Merkel <jane.merkel@t-online.de> wrote: > Hello Jan > > This was interesting reading form me; I always thought that the qualifying > address was the place where the person lives. This possible discrepancy > would perhaps explain a mystery concerning the house where I lived in as a > child: Apart from my parents, there was another man registered at "our" > qualifying address. After a couple of years, a further name was added, the > man's wife presumably. This man and his wife were definitely not living in > our house and the names mean nothing to me i.e. not family or friends of my > parents. I now wonder if this man was the owner of the house and that my > parents were renting. Is there anyone who could comment on this? > > I have a further question regarding the electoral role, never having lived > in England as an adult: Does one has to register every year or does one > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > cancelled when, for example, one moves house? > > Jane Merkel > #14968 > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Jan > Murphy via > Gesendet: Samstag, 28. November 2015 01:49 > An: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role > > A caution for FH users who (like me) are relatively inexperienced at using > Electoral Rolls -- often the qualifying address that gave someone the right > to vote is not the same as the property at which they resided. It pays to > scroll up to the top of the image and read the column headers, so that if > you plan to enter a residence fact, you are looking at the proper column in > the Electoral Roll. > > I have collected quite a few images, but I haven't yet determined which > fact > to use to enter the ownership of the qualifying property when it is not the > same as the abode. I do want to keep track of those addresses as well, > because they can be valuable clues about a family's migration or to > identify > that this is the individual you want in a group of same-name search > results. > > Jan Murphy > > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:13 AM, John Ellis via < > family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Hi > > I'm entering information from the electoral role for a family. > > > > Normally I would use residence for this purpose. I normally copy the > > residence fact to each of the people living at that address > > > > However, I note that the sentence template now reads: "{date} > > {individual} lived at {address} {place} <with {other=resident}>"; I've > > added the address field. > > > > What I don't understand is how the "<with {other=resident}>" part of > > the sentence template works. Where do you enter the "Other Resident" e.g. > > husband and wife at the same address. > > > > Many thanks > > > > John > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
I get a form every year to confirm that the details are the same, or someone is to be added, or to be removed. There is a service available as an "add-on" to the registration of a death, that cancels the electoral registration of the deceased - though this is recent. What the situation was in history, I don't know. Adrian On 30 November 2015 at 14:19, Jane Merkel via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ... Does one has to register every year or does one > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > cancelled when, for example, one moves house?.... >
I’ve been involved in electoral registration canvassing for many years, and also been in the position of having privileged access to the full register, and it’s been a bit of an eye-opener. Whilst the register is useful as an indicator of the people associated with a property, it cannot be regarded as definitive proof of residence. Firstly, there is the question of entitlement to vote – to take part in elections in the UK you have to be a citizen of an EU country, so nationals of other countries should not appear in the register. Secondly, if you live at more than one address, and spend about the same amount of time at each address, you can register to vote at each of those addresses, but you can only vote once at each election – a General Election counts as one election, but if you have homes in areas covered by different councils you can vote at each of those councils’ elections. Thirdly, if someone wants to ‘disappear’ they often don’t want to advertise their presence at an address and, as a consequence, don’t return the form, so gaps appear in the register. In order to plug these gaps, there has been a tendency in the past for councils to roll forward the previous year’s data, potentially resulting in the previous occupiers’ details appearing in the register for years after they moved out. As I said, the register can be a useful, but don’t rely too much on it. Eric From: Adrian Bruce via Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:16 PM To: Jane Merkel ; Family Historian UG Mailing List Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role I get a form every year to confirm that the details are the same, or someone is to be added, or to be removed. There is a service available as an "add-on" to the registration of a death, that cancels the electoral registration of the deceased - though this is recent. What the situation was in history, I don't know. Adrian On 30 November 2015 at 14:19, Jane Merkel via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ... Does one has to register every year or does one > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > cancelled when, for example, one moves house?.... > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Eric wrote " In order to plug these gaps, there has been a tendency in the past for councils to roll forward the previous year’s data, potentially resulting in the previous occupiers’ details appearing in the register for years after they moved out." The same thing happens in US City Directories, and I make notes to this effect in Family Historian. I also mark all the dates in FH with estimate/approximate to take into account the time the directory is 'put to bed' or variations in the way the directory is dated. Jan Murphy packrat74@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 2:51 PM, ericpfrith via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I’ve been involved in electoral registration canvassing for many years, > and also been in the position of having privileged access to the full > register, and it’s been a bit of an eye-opener. Whilst the register is > useful as an indicator of the people associated with a property, it cannot > be regarded as definitive proof of residence. > > Firstly, there is the question of entitlement to vote – to take part in > elections in the UK you have to be a citizen of an EU country, so nationals > of other countries should not appear in the register. > > Secondly, if you live at more than one address, and spend about the same > amount of time at each address, you can register to vote at each of those > addresses, but you can only vote once at each election – a General Election > counts as one election, but if you have homes in areas covered by different > councils you can vote at each of those councils’ elections. > > Thirdly, if someone wants to ‘disappear’ they often don’t want to > advertise their presence at an address and, as a consequence, don’t return > the form, so gaps appear in the register. In order to plug these gaps, > there has been a tendency in the past for councils to roll forward the > previous year’s data, potentially resulting in the previous occupiers’ > details appearing in the register for years after they moved out. > > As I said, the register can be a useful, but don’t rely too much on it. > > Eric > > > From: Adrian Bruce via > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:16 PM > To: Jane Merkel ; Family Historian UG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role > > I get a form every year to confirm that the details are the same, or > someone is to be added, or to be removed. > > There is a service available as an "add-on" to the registration of a death, > that cancels the electoral registration of the deceased - though this is > recent. > > What the situation was in history, I don't know. > > Adrian > > On 30 November 2015 at 14:19, Jane Merkel via < > family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > ... Does one has to register every year or does one > > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > > cancelled when, for example, one moves house?.... > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >