Victor, I think you will find that is exactly what Mike Fry said, as he made an exception for weddings that took place in churches. All other GRO certificates for Birth, Death, and civil Marriages are original and have no Parish Register equivalent. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [FHU] Primary Evidence You are wrong I have copies of marriage certificate from parish register. When a marriage takes place in a church all parties sign the registry -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [FHU] Primary Evidence On 22 Dec 2015 10:22 AM, Victor Markham via wrote: > You are all talking about GRO certificates. This is a copy of the > Parish Register which are kept in the local archives. These archive > copies are different from those that you get from the GRO. Basically > they are of a different format being in black and white with all the > original signatures and also longer than an A4 paper sheet. Whilst the > GRO copy is based on this with an extract of the original posted onto > a coloured standard template (Red for birth, Green for marriage and > black for death) WRONG! Parish Registers record baptisms/christenings, weddings and burials. The GRO records births, marriages and deaths. GRO Certificates have little to do with Parish Registers - except for weddings that took place in churches. Civil weddings will not appear in the Parish Registers. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Mike You are slightly wrong in that GRO certificates obtained from the central GRO (as opposed to the Local Registrar's offices) are actually copies submitted on a quarterly basis by the local superintendent registrar (or marriages by the local vicar / incumbent). One would hope that they are more accurate than those quarterly returns submitted by vicars etc but they are still copies none the less. Also, I have some certificates obtained from the GRO a long time ago and are actually hand-written copies and not a photocopy (of a copy) as is normal nowadays. Brian On 22/12/2015 12:22, Beryl & Mike Tate via wrote: > Victor, I think you will find that is exactly what Mike Fry said, as he made an exception for weddings that took place in churches. > > All other GRO certificates for Birth, Death, and civil Marriages are original and have no Parish Register equivalent. > > Regards, Mike Tate > >

Mike Sorry I will have to disagree with you here. Let's not argue but agree to disagree! I wonder if you have ever ordered a certificate from the LRO. Most people use the GRO because they can find a reference number. The LRO reference number can be found in some area via UKBMD web site. These reference details have been transcribed by local people where the Register agreed to let them. Not all have agreed to this. You may have read the other message from Ian Hartas who set up UKBMD. But if not I copy it here Victor Please read this message from I Hartas. --------- Message from Ian Hartas, UKBMD. There was Deregulation Bill put through parliament by Baroness Scott earlier this year which enables changes to the birth, marriage and death registration process to allow easier access to the Birth, Marriage and Death (BMD) records held by the General Register Office (GRO). On Friday 18th Dec. I attended a meeting at the GRO's premises in Southport as a representative of the Local BMD Project where the agenda was to probe the various representatives to see what their views were on the possible features that may be possible following this deregulation. (I.e. this meeting was not part of a full public consultation) One of their first comments surprised me -- the recent deregulation only applies to the GRO and not the local Register Offices. The registration process is such that the BMD events are registered locally first, then quarterly copies are sent to the GRO. Unfortunately the copying process introduced a high rate of errors and omission! s.! > So, although the GRO indexes may offer a national coverage, the indexes produced by the local register offices are more complete and more accurate. They also offer extra facilities such as naming the venue for the marriage. So there are advantages to seeking out copies of the original records from the local register offices rather than a copy of a copy from the GRO. Over the years, hundreds of volunteers from the various family history societies have freely dedicated many hours to transcribe records for the various local BMD websites. A growing number of these local register offices have also made large financial commitments by scanning their registers as a means of protecting the registers, but also as a means of simplifying the creation of copy certificates. Obviously, the register offices were also considering the future possibility of providing easier access online to scanned images, but only after deregulation allows for changes. If the GRO is permitted to produce o! n! l! > ine images of copy certificates at a reduced cost and the local register offices cannot offer the same facilities, then they will be severely disadvantaged financially and the hard work by all the family history society volunteers will be greatly devalued. So, what can you do? One option would be to contact your local MP and ask that the Deregulation Bill is extended to allow the local register offices to have the same rights as the GRO, so for example if the GRO may provide online images, then the local register office may do so too. On 22/12/2015 12:22 PM, Beryl & Mike Tate via wrote: > Victor, I think you will find that is exactly what Mike Fry said, as he made an exception for weddings that took place in churches. > > All other GRO certificates for Birth, Death, and civil Marriages are original and have no Parish Register equivalent. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [FHU] Primary Evidence > > You are wrong I have copies of marriage certificate from parish register. When a marriage takes place in a church all parties sign the registry > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [FHU] Primary Evidence > > On 22 Dec 2015 10:22 AM, Victor Markham via wrote: > >> You are all talking about GRO certificates. This is a copy of the >> Parish Register which are kept in the local archives. These archive >> copies are different from those that you get from the GRO. Basically >> they are of a different format being in black and white with all the >> original signatures and also longer than an A4 paper sheet. Whilst the >> GRO copy is based on this with an extract of the original posted onto >> a coloured standard template (Red for birth, Green for marriage and >> black for death) > WRONG! > > Parish Registers record baptisms/christenings, weddings and burials. > > The GRO records births, marriages and deaths. > > GRO Certificates have little to do with Parish Registers - except for weddings that took place in churches. Civil weddings will not appear in the Parish Registers. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message