A variation on "Method 2" is to just hold the full transcript (such as for a census) against the head of household's Census Fact source citation - in the "Text From Source". The image can be attached to the Census fact. For other members of the household indicate in their Census Fact note who the head of household is. (In v6 you could set up a Head of Household witness instead.) Add the source (e.g. 1881 E&W Census) without adornment - this allow quick checking for people with "missing census" records. All facts derived from a census record (YoB, PoB, Occupation etc - for all members of the household) can be "sourced" (again without adornment) to the relevant census. Conflicts (such as different years of birth on different censuses) can be recorded by putting the particular values in the Text from Source field and then sorting the sources for the date of birth so that the one you most believe is at the top). A variation on this is for sources like obituaries - which often contain lots of information. The Source may be "Worcestershire Chronicle", Entry Date "21 Sep 1878" Where within Source "page 8 column 1 & 2", and that citation is attached to the Obituary Fact - with the text of the obituary in the "Text from Source" field. Derived information (date and cause of death, employment, honours, marriages, etc.) is added with appropriate facts but the source is given as "Obituary (Cross-reference)". If the obituary gives facts for someone else, you add the name of the person being "obitted" in the Where within Source field. Likewise if you have recorded details of someone's baptism from parish records, you add their date of birth with the source "Baptism (Cross-reference)". This works fine for me - but then I am not making huge use of Reports - where you might become a little unstuck due to having to trace back one or two steps. David On 01/01/2016 16:34, Beryl & Mike Tate via wrote: > Lesley, it is worth spending some time experimenting with the options, because they become more complex as soon as you start adding > images. > > In a worst case example, say you have a Census image for a household of 9 people. If you use 'Method 2' then you must attach that > image to at least the 9 Census event Citations, plus possibly Occupation &/or Birth facts derived from that same Census image. > > Whereas, with a separate 'Method 1' Source record for that image, it is only attached once to the Source record. > > It is still easy to keep such multiple Sources in a consistent order by choosing an appropriate naming convention. > > The free companion program 'Ancestral Sources' makes light work of any of the above options. > > Happy New Year, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [FHU] References > > I agree with David, > > The Source is where I got the information from, doesn't matter what I did with it or where it is or how it's stored. The Citation > would give much more detail. I haven't attached any digital images as yet, so I have that process yet to come. > > Perhaps I think this way because I started off with much more basic software? In any event, it works for me & is easy to keep the > sources in some sort of consistent order. > > Regards > > Lesley > > On 01/01/2016 14:47, D C Banks via wrote: >> Hi Jeremy >> >> You could have one Source called 'Find my Past etc' and just add a Citation as required for the unique marriage Fact. Then you can > add the Image/pdf to the Citation via the Individual Records screen. I have only 50 Source records but about 25,000 Citations in a > file with 5000 Individuals and 1300 marriages. So, no, it is not excessive - I Cite everything! >> David >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Subject: [FHU] References >> >> I used to show, say, 'Find my Past - Parish Records' as the source for entries. Now I am finding that I can get the actual detail > of the marriage as a .pdf which I could attach to the citation. However, I would need each citation to be a separate entry in order > to attach an image to it. My question is that would mean about 3000 individual entries in my case. Is this normal/average? or > excessive? >> Jeremy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, that is a workable method, but sounds more tedious than using 'Ancestral Sources' that with one set of data entry automatically creates all the necessary multiple Citations with full details, and satisfies the needs of Queries, Reports, Websites, Plugins, etc. It does not solve the problem of easily finding all members of say one large Census household. Whereas, a single Source per household allows "View > Record Links" and Plugins to list the household members. Beware using FH V6 'Head of Household' Witnesses, because that renders useless the "Publish > Miscellaneous > Individual Census Report" and the "Lookup Missing Census Facts" Plugin. Happy New Year, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [FHU] References - method 2 tweaks A variation on "Method 2" is to just hold the full transcript (such as for a census) against the head of household's Census Fact source citation - in the "Text From Source". The image can be attached to the Census fact. For other members of the household indicate in their Census Fact note who the head of household is. (In v6 you could set up a Head of Household witness instead.) Add the source (e.g. 1881 E&W Census) without adornment - this allow quick checking for people with "missing census" records. All facts derived from a census record (YoB, PoB, Occupation etc - for all members of the household) can be "sourced" (again without adornment) to the relevant census. Conflicts (such as different years of birth on different censuses) can be recorded by putting the particular values in the Text from Source field and then sorting the sources for the date of birth so that the one you most believe is at the top). A variation on this is for sources like obituaries - which often contain lots of information. The Source may be "Worcestershire Chronicle", Entry Date "21 Sep 1878" Where within Source "page 8 column 1 & 2", and that citation is attached to the Obituary Fact - with the text of the obituary in the "Text from Source" field. Derived information (date and cause of death, employment, honours, marriages, etc.) is added with appropriate facts but the source is given as "Obituary (Cross-reference)". If the obituary gives facts for someone else, you add the name of the person being "obitted" in the Where within Source field. Likewise if you have recorded details of someone's baptism from parish records, you add their date of birth with the source "Baptism (Cross-reference)". This works fine for me - but then I am not making huge use of Reports - where you might become a little unstuck due to having to trace back one or two steps. David