<<snipped>> KAS Duncalf was the daughter of J Silvester and S Duncalf. The child was registered in the March quarter of 1844 and baptised in May 1844. The couple actually married in January 1844, but as both surnames are given in the baptism registers and she is registered as KAS Duncalf she must have been illegitimate. How do I show this? <<snipped>> Personally, I wouldn't (indeed, haven't) bother to do anything other than add in a note. Everything depends on how much you expect anyone to actually read the words in the reports, queries and diagrams. After all, the whole file shows what happens over time, it's not a snap shot of any one time in particular. If there were a report that says simply "KAS D born abt Dec 1843; parents JS and SD, married", then you'd need to do some work. But I bet any report says (in summary) "KAS D born abt Dec 1843, parents JS and SD, married Jan 1844". I think that's pretty clear in itself. I'd just add a note against KAS D's birth event saying that she was born before her parents were married. To make this work you must have dates against her birth and against the marriage, with the one clearly being before the other (e.g. "abt Dec 1843" and "Jan 1844" respectively.) You might also try putting a date-phrase in for the birth, e.g. "before her parents' marriage", with an interpretation for that of "abt Dec 1843". I've tried it once or twice but never been quite happy with the output words. Creating two families - with the same parents - would seem painful and lead to as many questions being asked by your readers as you're trying to solve. I think you're entitled to make the audience read and think a little bit!! Adrian B

Thanks all. I guess I had better get the birth certificate so that I can put in a date of birth. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family- > historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce > Sent: 07 November 2011 21:05 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Illegimacy problem with a difference > > <<snipped>> > KAS Duncalf was the daughter of J Silvester and S Duncalf. The child was > registered in the March quarter of 1844 and baptised in May 1844. The > couple > actually married in January 1844, but as both surnames are given in the > baptism registers and she is registered as KAS Duncalf she must have been > illegitimate. How do I show this? > <<snipped>> > > Personally, I wouldn't (indeed, haven't) bother to do anything other than > add in a note. > > Everything depends on how much you expect anyone to actually read the > words > in the reports, queries and diagrams. After all, the whole file shows what > happens over time, it's not a snap shot of any one time in particular. If > there were a report that says simply "KAS D born abt Dec 1843; parents JS > and SD, married", then you'd need to do some work. But I bet any report > says > (in summary) "KAS D born abt Dec 1843, parents JS and SD, married Jan > 1844". > I think that's pretty clear in itself. I'd just add a note against KAS D's > birth event saying that she was born before her parents were married. > > To make this work you must have dates against her birth and against the > marriage, with the one clearly being before the other (e.g. "abt Dec 1843" > and "Jan 1844" respectively.) You might also try putting a date-phrase in > for the birth, e.g. "before her parents' marriage", with an interpretation > for that of "abt Dec 1843". I've tried it once or twice but never been > quite > happy with the output words. > > Creating two families - with the same parents - would seem painful and > lead > to as many questions being asked by your readers as you're trying to > solve. > > I think you're entitled to make the audience read and think a little bit!! > > Adrian B > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN- > USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, In case this is of further help and of any interest....... I have a similar situation somewhere in my tree and was surprised to discover that there are two birth certificates for the child, as the parents eventually married each other. I had not realised that was ever a possibility. To date I have not begun to enter that branch of my tree into the programme, so I have yet to find whether that gives me any difficulties! Connie Williams -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 07 November 2011 21:47 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Illegimacy problem with a difference Thanks all. I guess I had better get the birth certificate so that I can put in a date of birth. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Connie, My eldest grandson has two birth certificates, for the same reason! I have copies of both and the only difference is that the mother's maiden name is entered on one and not the other. I have noticed a number of double birth entries amongst the Duncalfs in the GRO - this will have come about through adoptions too after 1920 something when they became formalised. There is only one registration for CAS Duncalf though. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family- > historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Williams > Sent: 07 November 2011 22:00 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Illegimacy problem with a difference > > Anne, > > In case this is of further help and of any interest....... > > I have a similar situation somewhere in my tree and was surprised to > discover that there are two birth certificates for the child, as the > parents > eventually married each other. I had not realised that was ever a > possibility. > > To date I have not begun to enter that branch of my tree into the > programme, > so I have yet to find whether that gives me any difficulties! > > > Connie Williams > > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne > Cole > Sent: 07 November 2011 21:47 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Illegimacy problem with a difference > > Thanks all. I guess I had better get the birth certificate so that I can > put > in a date of birth. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN- > USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I had a registrar explain re-registering this to me about 20 years ago. When parents married they are/were advised to have any existing children re-registered and this would make them legitimate in the eyes of the law. Without this children born within the marriage used to have greater rights than their "illegitimate siblings", in terms of being next of kin and inheritance rules. The law may well have changed now and the anomalies removed. Regards Julie -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne Cole Sent: 07 November 2011 22:09 To: con.williams@btinternet.com; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Illegimacy problem with a difference Connie, My eldest grandson has two birth certificates, for the same reason! I have copies of both and the only difference is that the mother's maiden name is entered on one and not the other. I have noticed a number of double birth entries amongst the Duncalfs in the GRO - this will have come about through adoptions too after 1920 something when they became formalised. There is only one registration for CAS Duncalf though. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family- > historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Williams > Sent: 07 November 2011 22:00 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Illegimacy problem with a difference > > Anne, > > In case this is of further help and of any interest....... > > I have a similar situation somewhere in my tree and was surprised to > discover that there are two birth certificates for the child, as the > parents eventually married each other. I had not realised that was > ever a possibility. > > To date I have not begun to enter that branch of my tree into the > programme, so I have yet to find whether that gives me any > difficulties! > > > Connie Williams > > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Anne > Cole > Sent: 07 November 2011 21:47 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Illegimacy problem with a difference > > Thanks all. I guess I had better get the birth certificate so that I > can put in a date of birth. > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN- USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message