Hi Karen and Stuart, Thank you very much for your responses. Karen, I had already tried to unlink us all from the second marriage as you suggest but all it does is to completely disassociate the three of us from our step mother. Stuart, I tried your suggestion Try this... Go to your own record and in the properties box and select the 'All' tab. Look for the two Parents family rows and swap them by using the Up/Down arrows in the top right of the properties tab. It has done the job perfectly. Many Thanks. Phil -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of family-historian-users-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 16 August 2011 19:18 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 199 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Another query re partners rather than married (Jane Taubman) 2. Re: Another query re partners rather than married (Lorna Craig) 3. Re: Another query re partners rather than married (Simon Orde) 4. Technical Question (Phil Bibbings) 5. Re: Technical Question (Karen Gardner) 6. Re: Technical Question (Stuart Ashton) 7. Re: Estimated dates (Beryl & Mike Tate) 8. Re: Another query re partners rather than married (Anne Cole) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:49:43 +0100 From: Jane Taubman <janetaubman@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Another query re partners rather than married To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKBTZLrO0T25q-L7N36y_6Z+Q=_rOeBF23MdKgBwiURXqbEsxA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Have a look on the fact tab, I suspect you have an empty marriage fact (some other programs create them when they are not needed), and just delete the marriage fact. On 16 August 2011 12:37, Anne Cole <duncalf@one-name.org> wrote: > "At some point he married A..." > which he didn't. I can't put a note against a non-existent marriage fact so > how do I get rid of this statement that the couple were married? > -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:39:36 +0100 From: Lorna Craig <l.m.craig@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Another query re partners rather than married To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4E4A6508.6060607@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Anne, On the spouse tab you can set the 'Status' of the couple to 'unmarried couple' or 'never married'. This will produce a sentence in the narrative: 'at some point he and xxx were an unmarried couple' or 'at some point he had a relationship with...' (choose whichever you feel seems more appropriate). Lorna On 16/08/2011 12:37, Anne Cole wrote: > Sorry, another query on the same tree. The couple are not married, but the > Individual Narrative insists on saying that "At some point he married A..." > which he didn't. I can't put a note against a non-existent marriage fact so > how do I get rid of this statement that the couple were married? > > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:37:06 +0100 From: "Simon Orde" <simon-fhu@family-historian.co.uk> Subject: Re: [FHU] Another query re partners rather than married To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <79000F888938434F8DBDD7B7A10C3381@HUGH> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Anne Just to add to what Lorna said: Ordinarily FH generates sentences based on facts in the Facts tab for each person. However, where you have a couple but no 'Fact' linking them (e.g. no marriage), FH will automatically generate an extra sentence to indicate the nature of the couple's relationship, based on the value of the 'Status' field, for their relationship. The reason we do this is that otherwise you could get a report for a person, which mentions their spouse or partner without giving any indication as to why the spouse or partner is being mentioned - and that could be confusing. However, you can switch these extra 'auto-generated' sentences off if you don't want them. To do that, untick "Auto-Generate Sentences if Missing Facts" in the Main tab of Options for the narrative report in question. To learn more about these 'extra sentences', click on the Help button within the Options dialog. Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lorna Craig" <l.m.craig@ntlworld.com> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] Another query re partners rather than married > Anne, > On the spouse tab you can set the 'Status' of the couple to 'unmarried > couple' or 'never married'. This will produce a sentence in the > narrative: 'at some point he and xxx were an unmarried couple' or 'at > some point he had a relationship with...' (choose whichever you feel > seems more appropriate). > > Lorna > > On 16/08/2011 12:37, Anne Cole wrote: >> Sorry, another query on the same tree. The couple are not married, but >> the >> Individual Narrative insists on saying that "At some point he married >> A..." >> which he didn't. I can't put a note against a non-existent marriage fact >> so >> how do I get rid of this statement that the couple were married? >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:21:57 +0100 From: "Phil Bibbings" <phillip.bibbings@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: [FHU] Technical Question To: <FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <649864860/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/88.108.243.61/08/16/11/16:21:59@m k-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, I am new to the family Historian program and am just getting to grips with it. It looks as though it is going to be a very useful tool in my family research. Despite not being the most computer literate of people it seems quite straightforward and I have found the guide very helpful. However I have come across a problem which I cant seem to resolve and I hope someone here can help. The problem lies with the 'ancestors' tab of my own focus page. When I go to view this screen my parents are shown as my father and my step mother. I would prefer it to show my natural mother. My father married twice and my brothers and I are from his first marriage. On the first section of my fathers focus page I have showed us as the birth children of his first marriage. I have also linked us all to his second marriage showing us as birth children to father and step children to his wife. So we are all linked to both family groups. Is the only way to rectify this to unlink all 3 of us from his second wife? Or is there another way around it? Hope someone can help Phil ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:44:36 +0100 From: "Karen Gardner" <karenndean@ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Technical Question To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <005b01cc5c2b$690b0220$3b210660$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Phil, If I am reading your question correctly, and i apologise if im not, when you have an individual in the focus window, click Edit and Unlink from, you can them unlink yourself and and your siblings (one at a time) from the marriage of your father and step mother. -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phil Bibbings Sent: 16 August 2011 16:22 To: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Technical Question Hello, I am new to the family Historian program and am just getting to grips with it. It looks as though it is going to be a very useful tool in my family research. Despite not being the most computer literate of people it seems quite straightforward and I have found the guide very helpful. However I have come across a problem which I cant seem to resolve and I hope someone here can help. The problem lies with the 'ancestors' tab of my own focus page. When I go to view this screen my parents are shown as my father and my step mother. I would prefer it to show my natural mother. My father married twice and my brothers and I are from his first marriage. On the first section of my fathers focus page I have showed us as the birth children of his first marriage. I have also linked us all to his second marriage showing us as birth children to father and step children to his wife. So we are all linked to both family groups. Is the only way to rectify this to unlink all 3 of us from his second wife? Or is there another way around it? Hope someone can help Phil ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:57:28 +0100 From: Stuart Ashton <stuart.a.ashton@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Technical Question To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CACKPrM6azrpzWPHSUJ1Xd=4vkEJacBEw8uYyzmkKFxsytjAT7Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Phil, I have a similar situation in my tree where I'm linked to 2 fathers - one birth and one adopted. Try this... Go to your own record and in the properties box and select the 'All' tab. Look for the two Parents family rows and swap them by using the Up/Down arrows in the top right of the properties tab. I hope this helps. Best regards, Stuart > The problem lies with the 'ancestors' tab of my own focus page. When I go > to > view this screen my parents are shown as my father and my step mother. I > would prefer it to show my natural mother. > > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:15:46 +0100 From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> Subject: Re: [FHU] Estimated dates To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002a01cc5c2f$c174fe30$445efa90$@co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <<snippet>> ... the more I tinker the more complexities appear! I now have those people who have neither birth nor death dates (eg a distant spouse) having a hyphen showing up and nothing more  perfectly logical from what the text scheme is now specifying. ... one way to try to tackle the problem would be to see the detailed structure of LifeDates but I dont know where this is easily available. <<snippet>> Firstly, you cannot inspect LifeDates() because it is a predefined function. Secondly, there is a LifeDates2() function that behaves like your current text scheme, in that the hyphen is shown even when no birth or death dates. Thirdly, the required correction is to replace =ForceText("-") with =TextIf(Exists(%INDI.BIRT.DATE%) or Exists(%INDI.DEAT.DATE%),"-","") The TextIf() function takes a Boolean expression as its first parameter Exists(%INDI.BIRT.DATE%) or Exists(%INDI.DEAT.DATE%) This is 'true' if either a Birth Date or a Death Date exists, but is 'false' if neither exist. When 'true' the second parameter "-" is displayed, which shows the hyphen as required. When 'false' the third parameter "" is displayed, which shows nothing when neither date exists. For more details on functions see Help > Family Historian Help + Using Family Historian + Advanced Topics + Understanding Functions + Functions (by category/all) Regards, Mike Tate ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:17:46 +0100 From: "Anne Cole" <duncalf@one-name.org> Subject: Re: [FHU] Another query re partners rather than married To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D98C3EAEE5C944F4B88680017887A086@AnnePC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thank you Jane, Lorna and Simon. Sorry, been out all afternoon. Will try later to see what I can do. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family- > historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orde > Sent: 16 August 2011 15:37 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Another query re partners rather than married > > Anne > > Just to add to what Lorna said: > > Ordinarily FH generates sentences based on facts in the Facts tab for each > person. However, where you have a couple but no 'Fact' linking them (e.g. > no marriage), FH will automatically generate an extra sentence to indicate > the nature of the couple's relationship, based on the value of the > 'Status' > field, for their relationship. The reason we do this is that otherwise > you > could get a report for a person, which mentions their spouse or partner > without giving any indication as to why the spouse or partner is being > mentioned - and that could be confusing. However, you can switch these > extra 'auto-generated' sentences off if you don't want them. To do that, > untick "Auto-Generate Sentences if Missing Facts" in the Main tab of > Options > for the narrative report in question. To learn more about these 'extra > sentences', click on the Help button within the Options dialog. > > Simon Orde > List Administrator & Family Historian designer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lorna Craig" <l.m.craig@ntlworld.com> > To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: [FHU] Another query re partners rather than married > > > > Anne, > > On the spouse tab you can set the 'Status' of the couple to 'unmarried > > couple' or 'never married'. This will produce a sentence in the > > narrative: 'at some point he and xxx were an unmarried couple' or 'at > > some point he had a relationship with...' (choose whichever you feel > > seems more appropriate). > > > > Lorna > > > > On 16/08/2011 12:37, Anne Cole wrote: > >> Sorry, another query on the same tree. The couple are not married, but > >> the > >> Individual Narrative insists on saying that "At some point he married > >> A..." > >> which he didn't. I can't put a note against a non-existent marriage > fact > >> so > >> how do I get rid of this statement that the couple were married? > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN- > USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email ------------------------------ To contact the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS list administrator, send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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