<<snipped>> What I was aiming at was to show two males as the sons of one couple, rather than the same parents being shown for both. <<snipped>> Since you've chosen an ancestor diagram, my belief is that this is impossible as it then wouldn't be an ancestor diagram. Think of ancestor diagrams like trees - the branches always split - they never come together. But - since your duplicated grandparents aren't far from their "common" descendant it might be possible to fiddle this by inserting a second tree into the diagram. - On the original ancestor tree, stop the ancestors of the two sons from appearing; - Insert an ancestors and descendants tree for the duplicated grandparents (hmm - can it work for a couple or not?), showing just one generation down and with all descendants barring the two sons hidden; - Stretch, move and generally pull the inserted tree around until the two boxes for the 2 sons have been separated sufficiently far so that they overlay the corresponding two boxes in the original tree. The composite of the two trees should look like what you want. But this is all out of my head so I can't say how easy it is to do. I _have_ overlaid 2nd trees in a similar fashion with 1 common box - never tried two. Good luck! Adrian B