I've done a quick search for both of these types of software using both Cyndi's list and G****e. Frankly, most of it is utter garbage, or not specific to genealogy (so needing a lot of time to input data) and exceedingly expensive. I wonder if other users are having this trouble or have any good ideas. Yes, i've heard about FH5 plug-ins and will be delighted to try them, but what else is out there and ready? Only two products really got my attention: * Ancestral Atlas (AA). Web-based. Very easy to upload GEDCOM, reasonable subscription rate, great for sharing, but I want MORE: 1. You can see all public data or filter markers for your own data, but not for those of another *specified* user (therefore no good for sharing with your family/associates). 2. Markers are featureless. I'd love to encode "time depth" as e.g. a rainbow spectrum of colours to see the geographical shift or spread/collapse with time. 3. Replacing markers by pseudo-3D columns of varying height could encode event counts to distinguish places with high population from low. * Genelines Timeline (GT). PC-based. Quite expensive. Excellent timelines for individuals, ancestors or descendants, making good use of 3D, but: 1. Where is the timeline for a geographical location? Preferably selectable from parish level and by county (and perhaps country). 2. For each location the timelines should stack (configurable grouping by parent level or earliest date, at least). 3. Connecting lines could show people movements between places, especially useful to highlight founder movements and abandonment. No doubt there are many more possibilities, but those I mention here just don't seem to be possible yet off the shelf. Any ideas? Link to AA: http://www.ancestralatlas.com/ancestry-mapping.php Link to GT: http://progenygenealogy.com/products/timeline-charts.aspx Paul