Victor said "...the reason I use FTM is because it does provide lots of hot links..." To be honest I don't know what you mean here. But if you're referring to contacts (i.e. people getting in touch) then Genes Reunited is at least 10 times more productive in my case. Victor also said "GEDCOM is going through a revision." Hmmm, and don't we know it! Again. And by more than one group. One day it will be brilliant to have a more object-orientated storage, but how long do you think it will take for Gen software makers to support it - and with what degree of fidelity? (Simon excepted). You realise I'm not going to live long enough to reap the benefit :) Victor further said "Genes Reunited do do census..." Sorry, i wasn't being clear here. Yes, GR provides census data. I meant it doesn't accept census records in a GED upload. Paul