We have just discovered a bug that is present in the current version (4.1) of Family Historian (thank you to Roger and Graham for pointing this out). The bug is associated with the "Cause" box on the Facts tab of the Property Box. Ordinarily you won't see a Cause box in the Facts tab. It only appears if you select certain types of event - e.g. death. The symptom of the bug is that in certain circumstances, the value of the Cause box can be copied (i.e. duplicated) to other events which don't usually have a cause associated with them - such as birth or burial. The bug happens, and *only* happens, if the cursor is in the Cause Box of the Facts tab of the Property Box, when you do certain things. For example, if at this point you click on the 'Go Back', 'Go Foward' or 'Up' buttons on the Property Box toolbar, the value in the Cause field will be copied to the first event of the record you navigate to, *if* that event is an event like Birth which can have a cause, but doesn't usually have one, and which doesn't get a Cause box in the Facts tab. If the first event is an event like Death which does get a Cause box in the Facts tab, the bug does not occur. If you think you might have been affected, you can download a query from the FHUG downloads area (www.fhug.org.uk) called "Non_Death_Facts_With_Causes". This lists all recorded causes for all events except death events (death causes won't ever have an invalid value). Don't assume that because a Cause for an event is listed, it is necessarily a wrong value. It may be a valid cause (e.g. a divorce or retirement cause). But if you see any cause values that look wrong, you can easily delete them by clicking on the cell in the 'Cause' column and pressing the Delete key - and then confirm if asked if you want to delete the field in question. As always, take backups to be safe, before doing anything you might regret. We apologise for any inconvenience caused. The bug will be fixed in version 5. Meanwhile, you can prevent this bug happening by not leaving the cursor in the Cause box of the Facts tab of the Property Box when you click on toolbar buttons or menu commands. Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer

What a delightfully obscure bug. This must have caused some head scratching. Thanks for the explanation and the corrective action. I found and eliminated errors in three of my eight major projects. Peter

I have just run the 'non death facts with causes' query and am puzzled by the results, I am not sure they relate to exactly the same bug as reported by Simon. I have 3 instances of this superfluous cause, each relating to a custom event. The first 'Witness' (e.g. witness at a marriage) has part of the Note duplicated in the Cause (but not exactly the same phrase??) Note: at the marriage of his daughter Rose to Edward Cause: Witness at marriage of daughter Rose The other 2 are for 'Informant' events (e.g. informants of the death), but in both of these, the Note is empty (although I am sure I entered text in them, and this extra text is now in the Clause). Cause: Informant at death of father William The sentence of Informant is as follows:{individual} was the {label} {date} {place} <{note}> so that when the Note is blank, the sentence just reads "He was the informant on 24 Jan 1918 in Oxford", so I don't understand where the Cause is getting the (correct) information of 'at death of father William' from (though again I am sure I originally entered this in the Note. Any ideas welcome - meanwhile I will be checking all my other witness and informant facts!   Regards, Andrea ________________________________ From: Simon Orde <simon-fhu@family-historian.co.uk> To: FHU Mailing List <FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 10:29 Subject: [FHU] *** Duplicated 'Cause' Bug We have just discovered a bug that is present in the current version (4.1) of Family Historian (thank you to Roger and Graham for pointing this out). The bug is associated with the "Cause" box on the Facts tab of the Property Box.  Ordinarily you won't see a Cause box in the Facts tab.  It only appears if you select certain types of event - e.g. death.  The symptom of the bug is that in certain circumstances, the value of the Cause box can be copied (i.e. duplicated) to other events which don't usually have a cause associated with them - such as birth or burial. The bug happens, and *only* happens, if the cursor is in the Cause Box of the Facts tab of the Property Box, when you do certain things.  For example, if at this point you click on the 'Go Back', 'Go Foward' or 'Up' buttons on the Property Box toolbar, the value in the Cause field will be copied to the first event of the record you navigate to, *if* that event is an event like Birth which can have a cause, but doesn't usually have one, and which doesn't get a Cause box in the Facts tab. If the first event is an event like Death which does get a Cause box in the Facts tab, the bug does not occur. If you think you might have been affected, you can download a query from the FHUG downloads area (www.fhug.org.uk) called "Non_Death_Facts_With_Causes". This lists all recorded causes for all events except death events (death causes won't ever have an invalid value).  Don't assume that because a Cause for an event is listed, it is necessarily a wrong value.  It may be a valid cause (e.g. a divorce or retirement cause).  But if you see any cause values that look wrong, you can easily delete them by clicking on the cell in the 'Cause' column and pressing the Delete key - and then confirm if asked if you want to delete the field in question.  As always, take backups to be safe, before doing anything you might regret. We apologise for any inconvenience caused.  The bug will be fixed in version 5.  Meanwhile, you can prevent this bug happening by not leaving the cursor in the Cause box of the Facts tab of the Property Box when you click on toolbar buttons or menu commands. Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andrea, I, too, ran the query out of curiosity, and found two Non-death Custom Facts with causes, in this case related to a military badge award. Looks like I had used 'Cause' to document the reason for the award; 'GC (Good Conduct)' and 'GC&B (Good Conduct and Behaviour)' respectively. Although I'd clearly set it up that way on purpose (the associated sentence also uses the '{cause}' fact variable), I had forgotten I'd done so, as it is some time since I have looked at any badge-holding military ancestors (yes, I use the 'a' word, for my own Grandfather in this case.) I wonder if you've done something similar? John _____ From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Andrea Kent Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:10 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com; FHU Mailing List Subject: Re: [FHU] *** Duplicated 'Cause' Bug I have just run the 'non death facts with causes' query and am puzzled by the results, I am not sure they relate to exactly the same bug as reported by Simon. I have 3 instances of this superfluous cause, each relating to a custom event. The first 'Witness' (e.g. witness at a marriage) has part of the Note duplicated in the Cause (but not exactly the same phrase??) Note: at the marriage of his daughter Rose to Edward Cause: Witness at marriage of daughter Rose The other 2 are for 'Informant' events (e.g. informants of the death), but in both of these, the Note is empty (although I am sure I entered text in them, and this extra text is now in the Clause). Cause: Informant at death of father William The sentence of Informant is as follows:{individual} was the {label} {date} {place} <{note}> so that when the Note is blank, the sentence just reads "He was the informant on 24 Jan 1918 in Oxford", so I don't understand where the Cause is getting the (correct) information of 'at death of father William' from (though again I am sure I originally entered this in the Note. Any ideas welcome - meanwhile I will be checking all my other witness and informant facts! Regards, Andrea ________________________________ From: Simon Orde <simon-fhu@family-historian.co.uk> To: FHU Mailing List <FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 10:29 Subject: [FHU] *** Duplicated 'Cause' Bug We have just discovered a bug that is present in the current version (4.1) of Family Historian (thank you to Roger and Graham for pointing this out). The bug is associated with the "Cause" box on the Facts tab of the Property Box. Ordinarily you won't see a Cause box in the Facts tab. It only appears if you select certain types of event - e.g. death. The symptom of the bug is that in certain circumstances, the value of the Cause box can be copied (i.e. duplicated) to other events which don't usually have a cause associated with them - such as birth or burial. The bug happens, and *only* happens, if the cursor is in the Cause Box of the Facts tab of the Property Box, when you do certain things. For example, if at this point you click on the 'Go Back', 'Go Foward' or 'Up' buttons on the Property Box toolbar, the value in the Cause field will be copied to the first event of the record you navigate to, *if* that event is an event like Birth which can have a cause, but doesn't usually have one, and which doesn't get a Cause box in the Facts tab. If the first event is an event like Death which does get a Cause box in the Facts tab, the bug does not occur. If you think you might have been affected, you can download a query from the FHUG downloads area (www.fhug.org.uk) called "Non_Death_Facts_With_Causes". This lists all recorded causes for all events except death events (death causes won't ever have an invalid value). Don't assume that because a Cause for an event is listed, it is necessarily a wrong value. It may be a valid cause (e.g. a divorce or retirement cause). But if you see any cause values that look wrong, you can easily delete them by clicking on the cell in the 'Cause' column and pressing the Delete key - and then confirm if asked if you want to delete the field in question. As always, take backups to be safe, before doing anything you might regret. We apologise for any inconvenience caused. The bug will be fixed in version 5. Meanwhile, you can prevent this bug happening by not leaving the cursor in the Cause box of the Facts tab of the Property Box when you click on toolbar buttons or menu commands. 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I would recommend that when completing any boxes in spreadsheets, databases, web forms etc that you always tab out of the box to lock the entered data before moving from the screen. Regards Robin Dew Sent from my iPhone On 8 Feb 2012, at 14:10, Andrea Kent <andrea.kent@btopenworld.com> wrote: > I have just run the 'non death facts with causes' query and am puzzled by the results, I am not sure they relate to exactly the same bug as reported by Simon. I have 3 instances of this superfluous cause, each relating to a custom event. > > The first 'Witness' (e.g. witness at a marriage) has part of the Note duplicated in the Cause (but not exactly the same phrase??) > Note: at the marriage of his daughter Rose to Edward > Cause: Witness at marriage of daughter Rose > > The other 2 are for 'Informant' events (e.g. informants of the death), but in both of these, the Note is empty (although I am sure I entered text in them, and this extra text is now in the Clause). > > Cause: Informant at death of father William > > The sentence of Informant is as follows:{individual} was the {label} {date} {place} <{note}> > so that when the Note is blank, the sentence just reads "He was the informant on 24 Jan 1918 in Oxford", so I don't understand where the Cause is getting the (correct) information of 'at death of father William' from (though again I am sure I originally entered this in the Note. > > Any ideas welcome - meanwhile I will be checking all my other witness and informant facts! > > > Regards, > Andrea > > > ________________________________ > From: Simon Orde <simon-fhu@family-historian.co.uk> > To: FHU Mailing List <FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012, 10:29 > Subject: [FHU] *** Duplicated 'Cause' Bug > > We have just discovered a bug that is present in the current version (4.1) > of Family Historian (thank you to Roger and Graham for pointing this out). > The bug is associated with the "Cause" box on the Facts tab of the Property > Box. Ordinarily you won't see a Cause box in the Facts tab. It only > appears if you select certain types of event - e.g. death. The symptom of > the bug is that in certain circumstances, the value of the Cause box can be > copied (i.e. duplicated) to other events which don't usually have a cause > associated with them - such as birth or burial. > > The bug happens, and *only* happens, if the cursor is in the Cause Box of > the Facts tab of the Property Box, when you do certain things. For example, > if at this point you click on the 'Go Back', 'Go Foward' or 'Up' buttons on > the Property Box toolbar, the value in the Cause field will be copied to the > first event of the record you navigate to, *if* that event is an event like > Birth which can have a cause, but doesn't usually have one, and which > doesn't get a Cause box in the Facts tab. If the first event is an event > like Death which does get a Cause box in the Facts tab, the bug does not > occur. > > If you think you might have been affected, you can download a query from the > FHUG downloads area (www.fhug.org.uk) called "Non_Death_Facts_With_Causes". > This lists all recorded causes for all events except death events (death > causes won't ever have an invalid value). Don't assume that because a Cause > for an event is listed, it is necessarily a wrong value. It may be a valid > cause (e.g. a divorce or retirement cause). But if you see any cause values > that look wrong, you can easily delete them by clicking on the cell in the > 'Cause' column and pressing the Delete key - and then confirm if asked if > you want to delete the field in question. As always, take backups to be > safe, before doing anything you might regret. > > We apologise for any inconvenience caused. The bug will be fixed in version > 5. Meanwhile, you can prevent this bug happening by not leaving the cursor > in the Cause box of the Facts tab of the Property Box when you click on > toolbar buttons or menu commands. > > Simon Orde > List Administrator & Family Historian designer > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Simon. I'm amazed and impressed that you found the problem so quickly!! Best regards Roger Mitchell rdm@mfo.me.uk http://mfo.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Simon Orde Sent: 08 February 2012 10:29 To: FHU Mailing List Subject: [FHU] *** Duplicated 'Cause' Bug We have just discovered a bug that is present in the current version (4.1) of Family Historian (thank you to Roger and Graham for pointing this out). The bug is associated with the "Cause" box on the Facts tab of the Property Box. Ordinarily you won't see a Cause box in the Facts tab. It only appears if you select certain types of event - e.g. death. The symptom of the bug is that in certain circumstances, the value of the Cause box can be copied (i.e. duplicated) to other events which don't usually have a cause associated with them - such as birth or burial. The bug happens, and *only* happens, if the cursor is in the Cause Box of the Facts tab of the Property Box, when you do certain things. For example, if at this point you click on the 'Go Back', 'Go Foward' or 'Up' buttons on the Property Box toolbar, the value in the Cause field will be copied to the first event of the record you navigate to, *if* that event is an event like Birth which can have a cause, but doesn't usually have one, and which doesn't get a Cause box in the Facts tab. If the first event is an event like Death which does get a Cause box in the Facts tab, the bug does not occur. If you think you might have been affected, you can download a query from the FHUG downloads area (www.fhug.org.uk) called "Non_Death_Facts_With_Causes". This lists all recorded causes for all events except death events (death causes won't ever have an invalid value). Don't assume that because a Cause for an event is listed, it is necessarily a wrong value. It may be a valid cause (e.g. a divorce or retirement cause). But if you see any cause values that look wrong, you can easily delete them by clicking on the cell in the 'Cause' column and pressing the Delete key - and then confirm if asked if you want to delete the field in question. As always, take backups to be safe, before doing anything you might regret. We apologise for any inconvenience caused. The bug will be fixed in version 5. Meanwhile, you can prevent this bug happening by not leaving the cursor in the Cause box of the Facts tab of the Property Box when you click on toolbar buttons or menu commands. Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I thought 'this won't apply to me' but downloaded the query anyway. My composite file of 1400 individuals had one instance! An occupation with a cause of Phthisis (TB) 2 years, obviously copied from the death cause. Thanks for highlighting this.

Thank you. I had 16 instances spread over 3 projects - all Birth records. With the downloaded query, it was so easy to locate and delete them. Your help much appreciated. Patricia -----Original Message----- From: Simon Orde Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:29 PM To: FHU Mailing List Subject: [FHU] *** Duplicated 'Cause' Bug Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message