As Russell say's, check occasionally that your backups can be 'restored', I have been caught out by a change in operating system. I had to go back to the old operating system, re-do the backup and then upgrade again - a right royal pain. Also, it is handy to keep the last seven days and then one from each month for the last year and obviously do a backup before you change FH version or version of your operating system. I backup weekly to a dvd-r, Wilko are doing an offer of 50 discs for £8.50 - that’s 0.17p a disc, after a month I just throw the oldest away - or use them on my allotment to scare the birds! David -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Russell Ridout via Sent: 29 January 2016 19:20 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Backups I would urge caution on wholesale deletion of backups. Yes, there can be no point in keeping every backup 'just in case'. However, before starting on a programme of deletions, check that you have at least one recent full backup, preferably in a separate place to your PC, as Victor suggested. Then, before starting to remove the files you no longer want, MAKE SURE that your backups actually work!! It has not been unknown for somebody to happily backup for a long period, but still be unable to recover that data when needed due to a system or other fault. In one case I read, the information was backed up to an 8" floppy disc. This was then kept safe across the room - attached to a noticeboard by a magnetic clip... Better to have 100 backups which work, than a smaller number which may not. If a plugin is written or FH is updated to only keep a certain number of backups, I think that it would be useful if FH automatically carried out a verification check of any backup. Whilst this will take extra time, it could save heartache. Russell -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Victor Markham via Sent: 28 January 2016 23:07 So I went through my files and deleted what I no longer needed. This include a lot of these back ups and they amounted to 100GB! Now I have quite a lot of spare room on my hard drive. Just remember to do external back ups and also deleted all those back ups which are obsolete Victor --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I would urge caution on wholesale deletion of backups. Yes, there can be no point in keeping every backup 'just in case'. However, before starting on a programme of deletions, check that you have at least one recent full backup, preferably in a separate place to your PC, as Victor suggested. Then, before starting to remove the files you no longer want, MAKE SURE that your backups actually work!! It has not been unknown for somebody to happily backup for a long period, but still be unable to recover that data when needed due to a system or other fault. In one case I read, the information was backed up to an 8" floppy disc. This was then kept safe across the room - attached to a noticeboard by a magnetic clip... Better to have 100 backups which work, than a smaller number which may not. If a plugin is written or FH is updated to only keep a certain number of backups, I think that it would be useful if FH automatically carried out a verification check of any backup. Whilst this will take extra time, it could save heartache. Russell -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Victor Markham via Sent: 28 January 2016 23:07 So I went through my files and deleted what I no longer needed. This include a lot of these back ups and they amounted to 100GB! Now I have quite a lot of spare room on my hard drive. Just remember to do external back ups and also deleted all those back ups which are obsolete Victor --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Good advice. Especially if you have a couple of thousand people in your project and a reasonable number of images. Just checked mine and a full backup is 129Mb. On 29 January 2016 at 09:00, <family-historian-users-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Backups (Victor Markham) > > Just remember to do external back ups and also deleted all those back > ups which are obsolete > > Victor > > ****************************************************** >

​My tactic with old backups is to delete old ones but leaving one per month - there's every chance that the one I want to restore would be older than 3 versions ago or whatever was chosen. Adrian

You are so right! And it's something I don't do often enough. I recognized your name. I think from my matches at ancestry? I'm going to send you a private message. > > > Subject: [FHU] Backups > > > When we close FH we are always tempted to do a back up. This is what I > have been doing since day 1 of FH. > > Once I did the back up I thought nothing more about it. These past few > days I found my hard drive was getting full. So I went through my files > and deleted what I no longer needed. This include a lot of these back > ups and they amounted to 100GB! Now I have quite a lot of spare room on > my hard drive. > > Just remember to do external back ups and also deleted all those back > ups which are obsolete > > Victor > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS list administrator, send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS mailing list, send an > email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 44 > ****************************************************** > -- Toni in Iowa USA ************************************************ Feminism in 2015 comes from the same place it always has: *the radical notion that women are people.* ************************************************ <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

So you have set yourself a challenge. A Plugin to do that would be relatively simple. Alternatively, report the issue to Calico Pie Support. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [FHU] FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 11, Issue 44 Hi It would be nice to have an option to automatically delete any backup older than say the last three backups. Regards Robin -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Backups When we close FH we are always tempted to do a back up. This is what I have been doing since day 1 of FH. Once I did the back up I thought nothing more about it. These past few days I found my hard drive was getting full. So I went through my files and deleted what I no longer needed. This include a lot of these back ups and they amounted to 100GB! Now I have quite a lot of spare room on my hard drive. Just remember to do external back ups and also deleted all those back ups which are obsolete Victor

Hi It would be nice to have an option to automatically delete any backup older than say the last three backups. Regards Robin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of family-historian-users-request@rootsweb.com Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 23:06:33 +0000 From: Victor Markham <victor@markham.me.uk> Subject: [FHU] Backups When we close FH we are always tempted to do a back up. This is what I have been doing since day 1 of FH. Once I did the back up I thought nothing more about it. These past few days I found my hard drive was getting full. So I went through my files and deleted what I no longer needed. This include a lot of these back ups and they amounted to 100GB! Now I have quite a lot of spare room on my hard drive. Just remember to do external back ups and also deleted all those back ups which are obsolete Victor

When we close FH we are always tempted to do a back up. This is what I have been doing since day 1 of FH. Once I did the back up I thought nothing more about it. These past few days I found my hard drive was getting full. So I went through my files and deleted what I no longer needed. This include a lot of these back ups and they amounted to 100GB! Now I have quite a lot of spare room on my hard drive. Just remember to do external back ups and also deleted all those back ups which are obsolete Victor

Thank you all for your thoughts and comments.  It looks as though I will be making a custom attribute in which to record the data, which is fine. I just didn't want to re-invent the wheel if it wasn't required. Paul I take on board your comments, but as it stands at the moment the STEERS Surname Study has 1649 individuals identified and I'm only up to the 1851 census data, so whilst the idea of micro-trees is appealing, it is not feasible for my needs. Thanks again for taking the time to share your views with this Family Historian newbie :) Carole GOONS: 5625 The Surname Society: 1060 Searching for STEERS: http://www.one-name.org/profiles/steers.html [http://www.one-name.org/profiles/steers.html] STEERS - DNA Hunt: https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Steers [https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Steers] Steers ONS Blog: http://steers-ons.blogspot.com [http://steers-ons.blogspot.com/]  Steers ONS on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/SteersONS [http://www.facebook.com/SteersONS] 

Hi, Carole. While I have every sympathy for your aims in tracking name form usage, you must already be aware that these spelling tendencies usually (in my opinion) have less to do with the intentions of name bearers but much more to do with the education, experience and prejudices of the scribe concerned (clergyman, registrar, etc). It will often be the case that baptisms (even with the same family) in one parish are recorded with one spelling when in an adjacent parish some other form is used. Therefore, while dates are undoubtedly important, so are locations. This reflects just one limitation out of a multitude of GEDCOM deficiencies - in this case the absence of any concept of "persona". One way to understand a persona is just the "name form" in a historical reference - be that a baptism registry entry, newspaper report, passenger list or whatever. Remember that all the data we collect are "facts" (reports, allegations) about specified personae, and that the art of genealogy is judging which personae (and associated facts) relate to one specific "real person". In fact, for people long deceased, we are actually *constructing* them from a collection of personae/facts. We have no way to interrogate them or witnesses to validate our judgments. So, every report we collect is really a persona plus context (e.g. place/date/parent names at baptism, census household role, age, birthplace, occupation, relatives, and so on. Strictly, these personae and events/attributes (which include associated personae) are the way we *should* be recording our data. Tree relationships then emerge from our decisions on which personae should be considered as one person. We could even refine this approach to add a confidence level and justification to each of those persona-person assignments! This way of recording genealogy data may seem a lot more complicated, but I think it is easy to get used to because it is virtually identical to the way we view and transcribe that data into our computers. To summarise, I would like to abandon a system in which (1) we add facts to a person and (2) relegate things like name spelling, father's name, death date to Notes and Citations. . and replace it by "micro-trees" of personae with structured facts (more-or-less as now for individuals) and relationships to other personae when necessary. Thus, every event /report creates a persona - in particular its own name spelling, date and report source, providing the kind of tracking you are looking for. Sorry I've gone on a bit. As they say "that'll be the day". Paul

David, You can add a source to an alternative name (though not, I think, to a nickname). When you click on an alternate name in the Names & Titles window you will find that the Source pane for the individual displays Sources For: Name [2] or Name [3] etc. I think this may have been introduced in V6, as the 'What's New' list says "You can also use the Source Citation pane to add or view source citations for names and titles in the 'Names & Titles' window" (in the section headed More 'Modeless' Windows). However I understand that what is really wanted here is the date or date range when the name was used, not the citation date. So a custom "Alternate Name/Spelling" attribute with a date field may be more useful. Lorna On 22/01/2016 18:20, ancestry@faulder.org.uk via wrote: > > My reading of the "All tab" is that if you are adding a source to "Name" > it goes against the top level fact. You can't add a source to > specifically say the nickname. > > You can of course create a second "Name" fact - with its own source, but > you can't add "Fact dates" only "Citation dates". > > So if you find in a Newspaper dated 15 Jan 2016 an obituary that reports > that during the Second World War John Smith went by the name of Jon > Smyth (say to avoid conscription), would it be correct to put "frm 1939 > to 1945" in the Citation Entry Date? Getting that to display on a family > tree diagram is a lot more difficult that say getting an "Alternative > Spelling" attribute to display the alternative spelling and the > associated date(s). > > David >

On 22/01/2016 17:38, Beryl & Mike Tate via wrote: > David said: "Your ability to add dates to particular names isn't there." > You can add dates in the citation Entry Date linking to the Source that documents the Name. But, My reading of the "All tab" is that if you are adding a source to "Name" it goes against the top level fact. You can't add a source to specifically say the nickname. You can of course create a second "Name" fact - with its own source, but you can't add "Fact dates" only "Citation dates". So if you find in a Newspaper dated 15 Jan 2016 an obituary that reports that during the Second World War John Smith went by the name of Jon Smyth (say to avoid conscription), would it be correct to put "frm 1939 to 1945" in the Citation Entry Date? Getting that to display on a family tree diagram is a lot more difficult that say getting an "Alternative Spelling" attribute to display the alternative spelling and the associated date(s). David

Clarifications: David said: "Your ability to add dates to particular names isn't there." You can add dates in the citation Entry Date linking to the Source that documents the Name. David said: "Queries that try and look at more than just the first instance of an attribute get complicated!" Often true, but not if you use a 'Fact Query' that lists all instances by default. The FHUG Knowledge Base > Query Window ~ General Tab has more on the subject: http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:creating_a_query:general_tab Regards, Mike Tate

On 22/01/2016 16:14, Carole Steers via wrote: > The reason I'd like to add the date of the alternate > spelling is because I run the Steers One Name Study. Knowing the dates of > the alternate spelling can help to identify shifts from, say STEERS to > STEARS or STEERS to STEER Carole, What you can do with "name" is fairly limited. You can add Nicknames or Alternate names, but your ability to add dates to particular names isn't there! If you look at the All tab (on the right of the Individual Properties dialogue) and either right click on the fact concerned or click on the + box immediately to the left of the fact you will see what data can be attached to a fact or are already attached to the fact. I think you would find it really useful to be able to add Custom Attributes - under Facts. You could create an "alternative spelling" attribute to which you could add sources and dates - presumably for your purposes you would enter the birth (and possibly death) dates of the individual against this attribute (e.g. "frm dd/mm/yyyy to dd/mm/yyyy"). (Unless you know they changed the spelling of their name during their life when you would enter the relevant dates.) You could then use that attribute in Queries etc. You can enter multiple "alternative spelling" attributes against an individual. But queries that try and look at more than just the first instance of an attribute get complicated! If you always put the "actual used" Surname in the Name box, you could just do a query sorted by say birth date. (But if the dates for beginning of life are a mix of blanks, birth dates, christening dates and baptism dates, your query will get quite complicated.) David

Carole, you can add a note to the name record of an individual with any additional information you want (individual records window > expand the individual > right-click the name you want to add to > select Add note etc) Ian -----Original Message----- From: Carole Steers via Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 4:14 PM To: Beryl & Mike Tate ; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Alternate Names Query Hi Mike, Thanks for replying. The reason I'd like to add the date of the alternate spelling is because I run the Steers One Name Study. Knowing the dates of the alternate spelling can help to identify shifts from, say STEERS to STEARS or STEERS to STEER and therefore help with the identification and allocation of records to the correct individual in the study. I can run reports using the source records and citations looking for the various spellings but I would find it more helpful to be able to see at a quick glance when the variation was used. Carole

Carole I have a number of names with alternative spelling. For these I list them all under one name to keep them grouped together. When any of the names have an alternative spelling I open the focus window of that name and prompt the plus sign which opens another window where it lists alternative name. I add this alternative name. This window also asks if you want to make the name a primary name. I don't always make it primary but know that I can do so anytime -----Original Message----- From: "Carole Steers via" <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: ‎22/‎01/‎2016 16:14 To: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk>; "family-historian-users@rootsweb.com" <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Alternate Names Query Hi Mike, Thanks for replying. The reason I'd like to add the date of the alternate spelling is because I run the Steers One Name Study. Knowing the dates of the alternate spelling can help to identify shifts from, say STEERS to STEARS or STEERS to STEER and therefore help with the identification and allocation of records to the correct individual in the study. I can run reports using the source records and citations looking for the various spellings but I would find it more helpful to be able to see at a quick glance when the variation was used. Carole On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Beryl & Mike Tate via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am not sure I understand the question. > Why do you wish to record when you found alternate names/spellings? > > What is more important is where you found them and when the Individual > used them. > That you do by citing a Source record and the Citation has an Entry Date. > > Much the same as you do for any fact you discover (Birth, Marriage, Death, > etc.) > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [FHU] Alternate Names Query > > Is there any way to add dates to when alternate names / spellings are > found? > > Carole Steers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mike, Thanks for replying. The reason I'd like to add the date of the alternate spelling is because I run the Steers One Name Study. Knowing the dates of the alternate spelling can help to identify shifts from, say STEERS to STEARS or STEERS to STEER and therefore help with the identification and allocation of records to the correct individual in the study. I can run reports using the source records and citations looking for the various spellings but I would find it more helpful to be able to see at a quick glance when the variation was used. Carole On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Beryl & Mike Tate via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am not sure I understand the question. > Why do you wish to record when you found alternate names/spellings? > > What is more important is where you found them and when the Individual > used them. > That you do by citing a Source record and the Citation has an Entry Date. > > Much the same as you do for any fact you discover (Birth, Marriage, Death, > etc.) > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [FHU] Alternate Names Query > > Is there any way to add dates to when alternate names / spellings are > found? > > Carole Steers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am not sure I understand the question. Why do you wish to record when you found alternate names/spellings? What is more important is where you found them and when the Individual used them. That you do by citing a Source record and the Citation has an Entry Date. Much the same as you do for any fact you discover (Birth, Marriage, Death, etc.) Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Alternate Names Query Is there any way to add dates to when alternate names / spellings are found? Carole Steers

Hi All, Is there any way to add dates to when alternate names / spellings are found? Still learning how to use the software so please forgive me if this is a completely newb question! Carole Steers