-------------------------------------------------- From: "Laraine Hake" <laraine10@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 6:01 PM To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Help with duplicate ancestors in diagram > Hi Anne! > > Your query gave me cause to look at Alabaster tree on FH. As you may > recall, I have only recently imported it from Pedigree to Family Historian > and had not have not had time (a lifetime?) to check it all out yet. > >snip> > This moved me on to what must be the most difficult scenario (unless > someone > reading this knows better...........) two Alabaster brothers married two > Agass sisters whose grandchildren (a male Alabaster and a female > Alabaster) > later married ........ > snip> and when checking it as a descendant tree from the common Alabaster ancestor, (the gt grandfather of the eventual offspring ), I found that the sons are shown just once, as brothers, and the eventual offspring just once, on their father's side. The father and mother do appear twice (the second time as spouses of each other) and once again are linked by the coloured swoop. Pretty smart all in all. I do like FH so far! Laraine > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Anne Cole" <duncalf@one-name.org> > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:12 PM > To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [FHU] Help with duplicate ancestors in diagram > >> Doing an ancestor tree for someone whose parents were cousins, two >> generations up the grandparents are duplicated. I have played around with >> the options in "Check for duplicates" but cannot get the tree to only >> show >> the couple once as the parents of the two sons whose grandchildren >> married. >> Is this possible or will I always have this couple in twice? >> >> Anne >> >> Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society >> >> Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 >> >> http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html >> >> Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index >> >> http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ >> >> Lincolnshire Family History Society >> >> http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Anne! Your query gave me cause to look at Alabaster tree on FH. As you may recall, I have only recently imported it from Pedigree to Family Historian and had not have not had time (a lifetime?) to check it all out yet. However, following your query, I have looked at one pair of Alabaster first cousins who I know married (on her 21st birthday against parents' wishes, incidentally) and looked at the ancestor tree. The grandparents do show up on both sides of the tree but joined by a brightly coloured swoop of a curve. This moved me on to what must be the most difficult scenario (unless someone reading this knows better...........) two Alabaster brothers married two Agass sisters whose grandchildren (a male Alabaster and a female Alabaster) later married ........ This means that the offspring of the cousins had 2 parents, 4 grandparents, but only 4 unique gt grandparents 8 gt gt grandparents etc. There still have to be 8 positions for the gt grandparents (2 above each grandparent's head) but clearly these are duplicates. Each time the senior branch shown has the brightly colours swoops.....................and very pretty it is too! Laraine -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Cole" <duncalf@one-name.org> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:12 PM To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FHU] Help with duplicate ancestors in diagram > Doing an ancestor tree for someone whose parents were cousins, two > generations up the grandparents are duplicated. I have played around with > the options in "Check for duplicates" but cannot get the tree to only show > the couple once as the parents of the two sons whose grandchildren > married. > Is this possible or will I always have this couple in twice? > > Anne > > Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society > > Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 > > http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html > > Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index > > http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ > > Lincolnshire Family History Society > > http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

<<snipped>> What I was aiming at was to show two males as the sons of one couple, rather than the same parents being shown for both. <<snipped>> Since you've chosen an ancestor diagram, my belief is that this is impossible as it then wouldn't be an ancestor diagram. Think of ancestor diagrams like trees - the branches always split - they never come together. But - since your duplicated grandparents aren't far from their "common" descendant it might be possible to fiddle this by inserting a second tree into the diagram. - On the original ancestor tree, stop the ancestors of the two sons from appearing; - Insert an ancestors and descendants tree for the duplicated grandparents (hmm - can it work for a couple or not?), showing just one generation down and with all descendants barring the two sons hidden; - Stretch, move and generally pull the inserted tree around until the two boxes for the 2 sons have been separated sufficiently far so that they overlay the corresponding two boxes in the original tree. The composite of the two trees should look like what you want. But this is all out of my head so I can't say how easy it is to do. I _have_ overlaid 2nd trees in a similar fashion with 1 common box - never tried two. Good luck! Adrian B

Thanks, Peter What I was aiming at was to show two males as the sons of one couple, rather than the same parents being shown for both. Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family- > historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of P.Evans > Sent: 30 December 2011 16:32 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Help with duplicate ancestors in diagram > > Anne, > One way would be to hide the unwanted granparent boxes using the "hide > marked boxes" command on the "diagrams" menu. > There may well be another way and perhaps someone will be able to advise > on > this. > > Peter E > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN- > USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Anne, One way would be to hide the unwanted granparent boxes using the "hide marked boxes" command on the "diagrams" menu. There may well be another way and perhaps someone will be able to advise on this. Peter E

Doing an ancestor tree for someone whose parents were cousins, two generations up the grandparents are duplicated. I have played around with the options in "Check for duplicates" but cannot get the tree to only show the couple once as the parents of the two sons whose grandchildren married. Is this possible or will I always have this couple in twice? Anne Anne Cole, President, Lincolnshire Family History Society Duncalf(e)/Duncuff/Duncuft One-name Study GOONS member 513 http://www.one-name.org/profiles/duncalf.html Lincolnshire Post 1837 Marriage Index http://mi.lincolnshiremarriages.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Family History Society http://www.lincolnshirefhs.org.uk

In addition to the FH Help there is further advice online in the FHUG Knowledge Base: Understanding Data References at http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:understanding_data_references and Understanding Functions at http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:understanding_functions Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- On 24 December 2011 12:07, Mike Ratcliff <mhratcliff@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Is there anywhere I can refer to learn more about constructing these terms and their syntax as it looks a very useful tool? For instance, I would like to add a new line under the heading saying "Relationship to Fred Bloggs="followed by the relationship in an Individual Summary Report.

The best place to start is in the Help, under the Advanced section, both the Data References and Function cover what you need. To add the details the report you simply add a line to the main items with =relationship(fileroot(),%INDI%) in the data. On 24 December 2011 12:07, Mike Ratcliff <mhratcliff@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Is there anywhere I > can refer to to learn more about constructing these terms and their > syntax as it looks a very useful tool? For instance, I would like to add > a new line under the heading saying "Relationship to Fred Bloggs=" > followed by the relationship in an Individual Summary Report. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

On 22/12/2011 22:04, Jane Taubman wrote: > For narrative type reports you can change the heading on the Format > tab of the options to include it, something like > > %INDI.NAME:ADORNED% (=LifeDates2()) =relationship(fileroot(),%INDI%) > > For Summary reports and other itemised reports you can add a line to > the details with > > =relationship(fileroot(),%INDI%) > showing. Many thanks Jane for your prompt and useful reply. Is there anywhere I can refer to to learn more about constructing these terms and their syntax as it looks a very useful tool? For instance, I would like to add a new line under the heading saying "Relationship to Fred Bloggs=" followed by the relationship in an Individual Summary Report. Regards, Mike

Marianne I've been using TNG for some years now and although I don't have 40,000 names (around 19,000 as I write), I am aware of many users of TNG with many more, including one of nearly 500,000 that runs perfectly. TNG can handle huge databases just as well as small ones and really is one of the best utilities for showing off your research to its best! Google for TNG users list, and you will find a host of help and advice and massive support from the writer, Darrin Lythgoe. Good luck Best regards Roger Mitchell rdm@mfo.me.uk http://mfo.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marianne leonardt Sent: 23 December 2011 09:09 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Very large gedcoms Many thanks to everyone who responded. I've been using FH for ages and still didn't know how to navigate the name index! So I shall continue with my single gedcom, and I've decided to upgrade to FH4/5. Marianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marianne said: I'm already aware that the name index is very long and takes a while to scroll down. I'm just wondering whether, when I get to an expected 40 000 names, it will be too unwieldy to be usable. Using extra details may help locate, sort, and identify individuals. Add these details to Columns in the Records Window, or use them in Queries or Reports, to help collate individuals. e.g. The existing Pool number groups together all Individuals that are blood relations or related by marriage. See the function =RelationPool(%INDI%) You could add extra data to say the Custom Id or set a Flag to identify each County, and then group Individuals by County. Regards, Mike Tate

Many thanks to everyone who responded. I've been using FH for ages and still didn't know how to navigate the name index! So I shall continue with my single gedcom, and I've decided to upgrade to FH4/5. Marianne

If it helps, I have a project half that size and growing larger. I have no trouble at all grabbing the scroll bar and dragging it down to the name I want - takes only seconds. Regards Patricia the name index is very long and takes a while to scroll down. I'm just wondering whether, when I get to an expected 40 000 names, it will be too unwieldy to be usable. Marianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have ~30,000 people, 7,500 sources (mainly censuses) and the same multimedia records. Fairly new pc which only takes a few seconds to do most FH and AS tasks. I have a website, but I had a problem where the number of files FH creates in one directory is more than my ISP allows. It has a 9,999 files per directory limit - I do not know if that would be the same for you or if TNG file creation differs. Mike and Jane provided a neat workaround on this board (or in FHUG) using PSP text editor where I amended the files names, splitting the files between 10 directories. Took only a few minutes. HTH Chris PS Its worth upgrading to the latest version - look at the FH homepage for their best offer.

For narrative type reports you can change the heading on the Format tab of the options to include it, something like %INDI.NAME:ADORNED% (=LifeDates2()) =relationship(fileroot(),%INDI%) For Summary reports and other itemised reports you can add a line to the details with =relationship(fileroot(),%INDI%) showing. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Hello, A fellow user came up with a question about FH that has stumped me. When he creates a report on a person he would like to include the relationship to the root person or some way of indicating this. Does anyone know if this is possible or is it one for the Wish List? Regards, Mike

Or you type CTRL D to move the cursor to the Find box and type the name. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: P.Evans Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:56 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Very large gedcoms If you highlight the first name in your list and then just type the first letter of the surname that you want you will be taken down to the first surname beginning with that letter. Peter E ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you highlight the first name in your list and then just type the first letter of the surname that you want you will be taken down to the first surname beginning with that letter. Peter E

I have over 20,000 names and it is still going strong. I navigate using the last name, first name process Jane described. None of the queries take very long and the whole experience is still very good. I get the feeling it will still be good at the number you talk about. Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of marianne leonardt Sent: 22 December 2011 16:12 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Very large gedcoms Hello, I would like some advice from anyone who has compiled a HUGE gedcom on FH - in excess, say, of 35 000 names. I've been collecting data for a one-name study - and the name is not a very rare one. I compiled the data in Microsoft Word files, several for each UK county, and I have been transferring them to FH. I really want them all in one gedcom in order to have a single name index. So far, I have transferred just the Devon lines, and I have just over 5000 names. It all works fine, but I'm already aware that the name index is very long and takes a while to scroll down. I'm just wondering whether, when I get to an expected 40 000 names, it will be too unwieldy to be usable. The alternative would be to create a separate gedcom for each county, but the lack of an overall index would be a big drawback. Not only that, but if I then changed my mind and decided to combine them all in a single gedcom, I would then have the problem of multiple entries in the source file for the same titles (and I've discovered that you can't merge duplicate sources without losing most of the citations). My ultimate aim is to create a website, probably using TNG. I haven't fully explored this yet, but I would hope that this would get over the problem of a massively long name index by dividing it into groups (e.g. by first letter of forename). I just wondered whether any other FH user has experience of dealing with this "problem" (of course, hopefully it is not a problem at all and I don't have to worry!). BTW, I'm still using FH3. Would there be any advantage in this case of changing to FH4/5? Marianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 22 December 2011 16:12, marianne leonardt <marianneleonardt@hotmail.com> wrote: > BTW, I'm still using FH3. Would there be any advantage in this case of changing to FH4/5? Moving to V4/V5 will add quite a few useful features, (you might as well buy a V4 full copy as you will then get V5 when it appears). V5 includes graphical relationship displays and a very powerful plugin feature. See: http://www.family-historian.co.uk/features/whats-new-in-v4 and http://www.family-historian.co.uk/features/whats-new/whats-new-in-5 -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk