Chris, I have a separate database within FH called 'Other People' so that every family or individual that 'may' become a family member can be recorded, complete with the parish and census details, etc. Provided you add as 'unrelated individual' and then add to that individual any family members you can keep a ready check on all records of interest. Clive Spratt -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chris & Jennie Sugg Sent: 07 February 2012 10:01 To: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Multiple identity possibilities Can anybody suggest how I should deal with seventeenth and eighteenth century parish record entries (mainly burials but with some marriages) when I discover the burials or marriages of 4 or 5 Johns, Marys or Thomas' within a limited time period? Additional information is very limited and I am often unable to identify which family each belongs to. Is it the father or son who has died - or was it a different family altogether? Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dave, I do not have a shortcut to listing Siblings, but the following technique will automatically omit the Individual themselves. Use the function expression below for each entry, and replace [1] with [2] et seq in two places in each one. =TextIf(IsSameItem(%INDI%,%INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[1]>%),"",%INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[1]>%) =TextIf(IsSameItem(%INDI%,%INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[2]>%),"",%INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[2]>%) ... =TextIf(IsSameItem(%INDI%,%INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[19]>%),"",%INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[19]>%) It works by testing if %INDI% is the same as the Sibling, and if so produces "" empty string, otherwise the Sibling. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Simpson Sent: 07 February 2012 12:00 To: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Individual Summary Report - Sibling List Individual Summary Report - Sibling List Does anyone know of a simple way of reporting a list of a person's siblings in this report? I have used a somewhat clumsy method so far that lists all children of the family: %INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[1]>% %INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[2]>% .... %INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[19]>% I have to have 19 entries to make sure that all siblings are listed (max is 18 to date), albeit that they are hidden when they don't exist. Unfortunately this duplicates the individual themselves which is what I would like to avoid (i.e. if the individual is child 4 the I don't want child 4 to appear in the Sibling list Any suggestions gratefully received Dave

Robacis, Thank you for that feedback - very useful. I will add your advice to the FHUG Knowledge Base tutorials for AS. AS does mention the importance of running the Census Date Check in the Help, but you have to follow the links from Census Flag Settings via Census Flag Check to Census Date Check to read:- "Census facts in the GEDCOM family history file that have been created prior to using Ancestral Sources (or predecessor Gedcom Census) may not have accurate dates for censuses recorded. For example, a UK 1901 census fact might have the date 1901 rather than the more accurate 31 Mar 1901. If you wish to make use of the Census Flag Check feature of Ancestral Sources it is recommended that you first try to ensure that existing census facts have dates that match those in Ancestral Sources." Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: 07 February 2012 12:01 To: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Problem with flags Some weeks ago I raised the issue of Ancestral Sources apparently corrupting the FH gedcom file and doing some nasty things such a losing some multimedia from FH. Some kind contributors mentioned various ways to solve the problem and I grateful for the suggestions, but to no avail. I now seem to have solved the problem so this message for the benefit of those who find themselves in the same position. It stems from the fact that the original gedcom file was created in Family Tree Maker and the Census dates were shown as the year of the census not the actual date. Ancestral Sources seemed not to like this and hence corrupted the file. The solution is to run "Census date check" in Ancestral Sources before trying to update the flags. by saving the Census data. Having run this check and reallocated the censuses by the actual date, once this had been done Ancestral Sources happily updated the gedcom file correctly and all the correct flags were shown in FH. So for anyone importing a file to FH or anyone using AS for the first time it seems essential to run this check before trying to input data Robacis ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some weeks ago I raised the issue of Ancestral Sources apparently corrupting the FH gedcom file and doing some nasty things such a losing some multimedia from FH. Some kind contributors mentioned various ways to solve the problem and I grateful for the suggestions, but to no avail. I now seem to have solved the problem so this message for the benefit of those who find themselves in the same position. It stems from the fact that the original gedcom file was created in Family Tree Maker and the Census dates were shown as the year of the census not the actual date. Ancestral Sources seemed not to like this and hence corrupted the file. The solution is to run "Census date check" in Ancestral Sources before trying to update the flags. by saving the Census data. Having run this check and reallocated the censuses by the actual date, once this had been done Ancestral Sources happily updated the gedcom file correctly and all the correct flags were shown in FH. So for anyone importing a file to FH or anyone using AS for the first time it seems essential to run this check before trying to input data Robacis

Individual Summary Report - Sibling List Does anyone know of a simple way of reporting a list of a person's siblings in this report? I have used a somewhat clumsy method so far that lists all children of the family: %INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[1]>% %INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[2]>% .... %INDI.FAMC[1]>CHIL[19]>% I have to have 19 entries to make sure that all siblings are listed (max is 18 to date), albeit that they are hidden when they don't exist. Unfortunately this duplicates the individual themselves which is what I would like to avoid (i.e. if the individual is child 4 the I don't want child 4 to appear in the Sibling list Any suggestions gratefully received Dave

Can anybody suggest how I should deal with seventeenth and eighteenth century parish record entries (mainly burials but with some marriages) when I discover the burials or marriages of 4 or 5 Johns, Marys or Thomas' within a limited time period? Additional information is very limited and I am often unable to identify which family each belongs to. Is it the father or son who has died - or was it a different family altogether? Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks. Chris

Please can we draw this topic to a close. Thank you. Jane Taubman List Moderator.

I think that this topic is now seriously off topic. Can we all please take a deep breath and call a halt before it degenerates further. We all, I am sure use words like "ancestors" in slightly different ways and do not intend to cause offence to others who might happen to read those words. Russell -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Family Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:47 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] V5? When? I take exception to the use of the word "ancestors" in the context of V1s and V2s. Although I suppose rather young children think this a long time ago. It wasn't, especially to those who recall the killing of people they once knew. Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2112/4792 - Release Date: 02/06/12

I take exception to the use of the word "ancestors" in the context of V1s and V2s. Although I suppose rather young children think this a long time ago. It wasn't, especially to those who recall the killing of people they once knew. Ian

Whilst following this 'V5' thread I cannot stop thinking of our ancestors whom we are recording and who were devastated by the untimely arrival of the 'V1s' closely followed by the 'V2s'. They too probably asked 'When'. As family historians I feel that our expectations and the word "disappointment" need to be put into some sort of historical context and imagine how they would look to our ancestors. Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roger Mitchell Sent: 05 February 2012 13:30 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] V5? When? This is not an issue about being 'politer', it's an issue of being disappointed. Here is a link to the newsletter, read it for yourself.......... http://www.my-history.co.uk/emails/MH_FH_Courses_Prom_Feb_12w.html Roger -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pam Downes Sent: 05 February 2012 13:20 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] V5? When? It might be more relevant (to say nothing of being politer) to ask how much truth there is in the comment in the My History newsletter. (I've haven't seen it, so don't know exactly what it says.) And even a non-techie like me knows that everything can be going swimmingly until a serious bug is found almost at the last minute. Simon won't release v.5 until he's happy that it's as bug-free as the beta-testers have found it can be. Pam On 05/02/2012 12:54, Roger Mitchell wrote: > After all the hype about a February release of version 5, I am extremely disappointed to see that we now have to wait "not too many months", according to the My History newsletter of today!! > > C'mon guys, we've all been wound up like a spring for this, and now we don't even have an estimated release date???? > > Best regards > > Roger Mitchell > rdm@mfo.me.uk<mailto:rdm@mfo.me.uk> > http://mfo.me.uk<http://mfo.me.uk/> > > > ------------------------------- > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you - can we now stop clogging up my email box with emails about this until April! Andrew On 6 Feb 2012, at 12:28, Simon Orde wrote: > There have been some posts asking when version 5 will be released. We had > said February, but at this point it's looking like March. I'm sorry about > that. We will of course release it as soon as it's ready - but no sooner. > Thank you all for your patience. > > Simon Orde > Calico Pie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There have been some posts asking when version 5 will be released. We had said February, but at this point it's looking like March. I'm sorry about that. We will of course release it as soon as it's ready - but no sooner. Thank you all for your patience. Simon Orde Calico Pie

FH is undoubtedly the best product out there, for me, without question. Worth waiting for? Absolutely! Rant over Roger -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Giles du Boulay Sent: 06 February 2012 11:18 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] V5? When? Good points have been made on all sides but as someone still on version 3.1, I am finding this topic is now getting tiresome. Could the moderator please now moderate. Giles ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good points have been made on all sides but as someone still on version 3.1, I am finding this topic is now getting tiresome. Could the moderator please now moderate. Giles

All what "hype"? I'm eagerly anticipating the new version but I'm certainly not "wound up like a spring". Have I missed something? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Mitchell" <rdm@mfo.me.uk> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:54 PM Subject: [FHU] V5? When? > After all the hype about a February release of version 5, I am extremely > disappointed to see that we now have to wait "not too many months", > according to the My History newsletter of today!! > > C'mon guys, we've all been wound up like a spring for this, and now we > don't even have an estimated release date???? > > Best regards > > Roger Mitchell > rdm@mfo.me.uk<mailto:rdm@mfo.me.uk> > http://mfo.me.uk<http://mfo.me.uk/> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This has got nothing to do with the developers "letting slip" anything! On November 10th, Simon Orde posted to this list that v5 would be released in February. Have you even bothered to look at their website?! The home page says that v5 will be released "towards the end of February" and has done for some time! Now - according to the Newsletter, release could be "not too many months" away. I am disappointed that v5 is not imminent but actually couldn't care less when its coming. I think consistency in communications is the key here. Why is the dealer being told one thing, when their own website says something completely different? Nigel. If this cluttering up your inbox as you suggest, use your DELETE key - simple! Roger -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Fry Sent: 05 February 2012 21:18 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] FH V5 - Oh You Naughty Children! On 2012/02/05 22:05, N PATERSON wrote: > Oh, come on, you silly people! > BEHAVE yourselves!!!! We had this exact same brouhaha with another product where the developers let slip the fact of a forthcoming version. Users then became rabid trying to find out when they could get their mitts on the new version. Date after date was suggested, each of which passed without any sign. There were many recriminations flying around! Eventually it did surface. Now, that company is naturally a bit reluctant to divulge when their next version is likely to be released. I would guess that we will only be told much nearer the intended release date. This is a much more sensible approach to take. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2012/02/05 22:05, N PATERSON wrote: > Oh, come on, you silly people! > BEHAVE yourselves!!!! We had this exact same brouhaha with another product where the developers let slip the fact of a forthcoming version. Users then became rabid trying to find out when they could get their mitts on the new version. Date after date was suggested, each of which passed without any sign. There were many recriminations flying around! Eventually it did surface. Now, that company is naturally a bit reluctant to divulge when their next version is likely to be released. I would guess that we will only be told much nearer the intended release date. This is a much more sensible approach to take. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Well said, Nigel. My sentiments exactly. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: N PATERSON Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:05 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] FH V5 - Oh You Naughty Children! Oh, come on, you silly people! BEHAVE yourselves!!!! I thought we were all adults here. Sadly, there's not a useful gem amongst any of this but I've had to read through all the repeats and re-repeats just to establish that fact! It's not as if it's the end of the world as we know it, is it? Just be glad that someone has taken the trouble to make sure the end product actually works. How many of you have made full backups of your data, the existing programme AND your systems, after the last time you changed your data and settings? Not everyone, I'll be bound. [Oops! Guilty, as charged!] SO, let's end all this rubbish now, be patient and WAIT. You're all taking up unnecessary bandwidth, anyway. WHAT'S MORE, YOU'RE CLUTTERING UP MY INBOX ! ! ! Nigel Paterson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh, come on, you silly people! BEHAVE yourselves!!!! I thought we were all adults here. Sadly, there's not a useful gem amongst any of this but I've had to read through all the repeats and re-repeats just to establish that fact! It's not as if it's the end of the world as we know it, is it? Just be glad that someone has taken the trouble to make sure the end product actually works. How many of you have made full backups of your data, the existing programme AND your systems, after the last time you changed your data and settings? Not everyone, I'll be bound. [Oops! Guilty, as charged!] SO, let's end all this rubbish now, be patient and WAIT. You're all taking up unnecessary bandwidth, anyway. WHAT'S MORE, YOU'RE CLUTTERING UP MY INBOX ! ! ! Nigel Paterson

Family Search have a new open source GEDCOM standard in development by the name of GEDCOM X: http://www.gedcomx.org <http://www.gedcomx.org/> The developer Ryan Heaton gave two presentations at the Rootstech conference. The Ancestry Insider has summarised the first of the two talks here: http://ancestryinsider.blogspot.com/2012/02/ryan-heaton-new-gedcom.html The keynote Rootstech talks are now archived on the Rootstech website but I don't think Ryan Heaton's talks were included in the live stream: http://rootstech.org/ If anyone is interested in further details then summaries of all the talks (known as "syllabi") can be downloaded from the downloads section on the Rootstech website. Tamura Jones has also covered GEDCOM X on his website: http://www.tamurajones.net/GEDCOMX.xhtml It looks like GEDCOM X still has some way to go but it will be interesting to see how this impacts on the future development of Family Historian. I would hope we will all benefit in the long term. Debbie Kennett