<<snipped>> Whereas BIRTh, and CHRistening, and ADOPted Events are allowed FAMC Parent Family links, NO OTHER Events or Attributes are allowed such family links. <<snipped>> It makes sense that birth and adoption tags have the ability to specify and date the type of family as otherwise it can't be dated. But I'd agree that (at least in the Anglican tradition) it makes no sense to add the family to the christening as it can't change during that ceremony. Adrian B

FH5 successfully installed over FH 4.3.1. No problems. But my aged eyes struggled to read the key. Please Calico Pie: use a bigger, clearer font, that will still be readable in years to come. Paddy Buckley

Hi Mike, I was in the process of doing all the checks you suggested when I saw this message :) Thankfully I am not losing individuals - I had, in blind panic - jumped to the wrong conclusion :( If baptism is not allowed, then I will have to change all the baptisms into christenings. But if I go ahead with changing christenings into baptisms, what are the implications of losing the FAMC Parent Family links? Will this cause any other problems? regards Julie Julie, I have found the cause of the "Warning %INDI.BAPM.FAMC% ~ Invalid Tag" messages. It is an anomaly with the GEDCOM 5.5 specification. Whereas BIRTh, and CHRistening, and ADOPted Events are allowed FAMC Parent Family links, NO OTHER Events or Attributes are allowed such family links. Therefore, when a CHRistening with a FAMC link is changed to a BAPtisM the FAMC Tag is Invalid. Nothing I can do about that. So if you want these Events all to be the same you will have to change all BAPtisM Events into CHRistening Events, or lose the FAMC Parent Family links. I cannot explain why your "file goes down from 20,910 individuals to just 483". Regards, Mike Tate

Julie, I have found the cause of the "Warning %INDI.BAPM.FAMC% ~ Invalid Tag" messages. It is an anomaly with the GEDCOM 5.5 specification. Whereas BIRTh, and CHRistening, and ADOPted Events are allowed FAMC Parent Family links, NO OTHER Events or Attributes are allowed such family links. Therefore, when a CHRistening with a FAMC link is changed to a BAPtisM the FAMC Tag is Invalid. Nothing I can do about that. So if you want these Events all to be the same you will have to change all BAPtisM Events into CHRistening Events, or lose the FAMC Parent Family links. I cannot explain why your "file goes down from 20,910 individuals to just 483". Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk Sent: 29 March 2012 23:46 To: Family Historian Subject: [FHU] FH Plug in Change Facts Hi all I’m trying out the ‘Change any Fact’ plug-in on a copy of my Gedcom file. I want to change a large number of Christenings into Baptisms, but I’m getting rather confused with this. First I run the plug-in and the window opens. I then click on the ‘Change Christening to Baptism’ button and one record appears and I’m asked to ‘Confirm Edit’. So I click on ‘Change to Baptism event’ and then another record appears. If I 'Change all the Rest ‘ my file goes down from 20,910 individuals to just 483! I thought that by doing this, it would automatically change the rest in my file without further prompting! What exactly is this option for? So I tried something else - As there are quite a lot of changes required in my file it would take ages to confirm all these manually, so I’ve un-ticked the ‘Confirm all Edits’ button and ‘Show all warnings’ button and let the plug-in run through and ended up with 4031 changed and 851 warnings. Here’s an example of two of the records seen in the ‘View and Delete Log files’ list - Name 'Individual: Ruth PIMLOE [60]' Data 'CHR: Christened 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' Warning %INDI.BAPM.FAMC% ~ Invalid Tag Name 'Individual: Ellen PORTER [61]' Data 'CHR: Christened 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' So what’s wrong with the ones with the warning? I don’t understand why there is an invalid tag, when I had originally entered the information in the property box in exactly the same way for all christening records! A request please – can plug-in windows be made expandable please? Many thanks Julie Hill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike I've already discovered the addresses tool which is going to be very handy. I'd been waiting to sort out my addresses in the hope that such a tool would be added in the upgrade! I'm not sure how many addresses I have in my data. I have multiple addresses for many people and at the other end of the scale no addresses for others and the only place I have for them is a country. I suspect it will still have to be done over several days. Best wishes Debbie -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beryl & Mike Tate Sent: 30 March 2012 00:57 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Surname mapping with FH plug-ins Debbie, Yes, you will need to standardise all your Place &/or Address fields. I presume you know that FH V5 supports Tools > Work With Data > Addresses in the same way earlier versions support Places? Note that the Geocode limit per day is for plotting Address/Place locations not People. So what matters is how many different Addresses or Places you have in your data. Regards, Mike Tate

Julie, when you run the plugin and people disappear, do they reappear if you use the undo option on the menu?

Hi Julie, I have given this problem a little more thought, so can you try the following the help diagnose the problem. >From a clean copy of your data use 'Change Any Fact Tag' and 'Christening to Baptism’ button with ‘Confirm all Edits’ and ‘Show all Warnings’ ticked. Repeatedly use ‘Change to Christening Event' button a few times or until there is a warning. Then click the 'Skip all the Rest' button and 'CLOSE Plugin and KEEP Edits'. Have the changes been effective and are all 20,910 Individuals still present? Repeat the above process, and the Plugin should continue changing Christening to Baptism Events from where it left off. If you get Warning Messages then please make a note of them, and let me know the results. Are they essentially all the same error? You can Undo all the Plugin changes by using the FH command Edit > Undo Plugin Updates repeatedly. Please run the Plugin download called 'UDF List' and let me know the results. In the 'Change Any Fact Tag' Log Files are all the 'Warning' messages essentially the same? Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk Sent: 29 March 2012 23:46 To: Family Historian Subject: [FHU] FH Plug in Change Facts Hi all I’m trying out the ‘Change any Fact’ plug-in on a copy of my Gedcom file. I want to change a large number of Christenings into Baptisms, but I’m getting rather confused with this. First I run the plug-in and the window opens. I then click on the ‘Change Christening to Baptism’ button and one record appears and I’m asked to ‘Confirm Edit’. So I click on ‘Change to Baptism event’ and then another record appears. If I 'Change all the Rest ‘ my file goes down from 20,910 individuals to just 483! I thought that by doing this, it would automatically change the rest in my file without further prompting! What exactly is this option for? So I tried something else - As there are quite a lot of changes required in my file it would take ages to confirm all these manually, so I’ve un-ticked the ‘Confirm all Edits’ button and ‘Show all warnings’ button and let the plug-in run through and ended up with 4031 changed and 851 warnings. Here’s an example of two of the records seen in the ‘View and Delete Log files’ list - Name 'Individual: Ruth PIMLOE [60]' Data 'CHR: Christened 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' Warning %INDI.BAPM.FAMC% ~ Invalid Tag Name 'Individual: Ellen PORTER [61]' Data 'CHR: Christened 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' So what’s wrong with the ones with the warning? I don’t understand why there is an invalid tag, when I had originally entered the information in the property box in exactly the same way for all christening records! A request please – can plug-in windows be made expandable please? Many thanks Julie Hill

For XP you will need to install SP3 and then reinstall FH. I can't help with the Wine problem I am afraid. On 30 March 2012 06:18, Zed <zed@zed.net.nz> wrote: > Using LinuxMint v12 and running FH v4.1.3 through Wine very successfully. > > Downloaded FH v4.1.3 to v5.0 today (incredibly prompt service!) but when I > click to install nothing happens.  Well, apart from a couple of seconds > activity on the HDD. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Debbie, Yes, you will need to standardise all your Place &/or Address fields. I presume you know that FH V5 supports Tools > Work With Data > Addresses in the same way earlier versions support Places? Note that the Geocode limit per day is for plotting Address/Place locations not People. So what matters is how many different Addresses or Places you have in your data. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Kennett Sent: 30 March 2012 00:10 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Surname mapping with FH plug-ins Mike I downloaded the Map Life Facts plug-in but I need to spend quite a bit of time standardising all my addresses first before I can use it. I also have around 17,000 people in my database so with a 2,500 limit per day imposed by Google Geocoder it's going to take me a while to get my whole database geocoded. Once that's done it does open up all sorts of interesting possibilities and I'm encouraged that the idea should be possible with a bit of effort. Best wishes Debbie Kennett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie, I admit to being the author of the ‘Change Any Fact Tag’ Plugin. I am sorry you are having trouble with the Plugin, but it is not clear from your info whether it is the Plugin or the GEDCOM data that is the problem. Certainly there is something unusual going on. The 'Change all the Rest' button should simply change all the remaining Christenings to Baptisms, The number of Individuals should not be affected by the Plugin. %INDI.BAPM.FAMC% is I believe an Invalid GEDCOM Tag structure. But whether there is a problem with your data, or a bug in the Plugin, is difficult to tell at this stage. I presume that the FH - File > Validate command finds no errors. If you look at Ruth PIMLOE in a Property Box and use the All tab, does the fully expanded Christening/Baptism Event indicate any unusual data, starburst bullets, etc? Plugin windows can be designed to expand, and some I have written do, but it is more difficult to achieve. May I suggest you join the FH User Group for free at http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi and use the Plugin Discussion Forum. That way it is easier to exchange details, post screenshots, and suggest remedial techniques, etc., rather than by E-mail. -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk Sent: 29 March 2012 23:46 To: Family Historian Subject: [FHU] FH Plug in Change Facts Hi all I’m trying out the ‘Change any Fact’ plug-in on a copy of my Gedcom file. I want to change a large number of Christenings into Baptisms, but I’m getting rather confused with this. First I run the plug-in and the window opens. I then click on the ‘Change Christening to Baptism’ button and one record appears and I’m asked to ‘Confirm Edit’. So I click on ‘Change to Baptism event’ and then another record appears. If I 'Change all the Rest ‘ my file goes down from 20,910 individuals to just 483! I thought that by doing this, it would automatically change the rest in my file without further prompting! What exactly is this option for? So I tried something else - As there are quite a lot of changes required in my file it would take ages to confirm all these manually, so I’ve un-ticked the ‘Confirm all Edits’ button and ‘Show all warnings’ button and let the plug-in run through and ended up with 4031 changed and 851 warnings. Here’s an example of two of the records seen in the ‘View and Delete Log files’ list - Name 'Individual: Ruth PIMLOE [60]' Data 'CHR: Christened 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' Warning %INDI.BAPM.FAMC% ~ Invalid Tag Name 'Individual: Ellen PORTER [61]' Data 'CHR: Christened 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' So what’s wrong with the ones with the warning? I don’t understand why there is an invalid tag, when I had originally entered the information in the property box in exactly the same way for all christening records! A request please – can plug-in windows be made expandable please? Many thanks Julie Hill ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike I downloaded the Map Life Facts plug-in but I need to spend quite a bit of time standardising all my addresses first before I can use it. I also have around 17,000 people in my database so with a 2,500 limit per day imposed by Google Geocoder it's going to take me a while to get my whole database geocoded. Once that's done it does open up all sorts of interesting possibilities and I'm encouraged that the idea should be possible with a bit of effort. Best wishes Debbie Kennett

Hi all I’m trying out the ‘Change any Fact’ plug-in on a copy of my Gedcom file. I want to change a large number of Christenings into Baptisms, but I’m getting rather confused with this. First I run the plug-in and the window opens. I then click on the ‘Change Christening to Baptism’ button and one record appears and I’m asked to ‘Confirm Edit’. So I click on ‘Change to Baptism event’ and then another record appears. If I 'Change all the Rest ‘ my file goes down from 20,910 individuals to just 483! I thought that by doing this, it would automatically change the rest in my file without further prompting! What exactly is this option for? So I tried something else - As there are quite a lot of changes required in my file it would take ages to confirm all these manually, so I’ve un-ticked the ‘Confirm all Edits’ button and ‘Show all warnings’ button and let the plug-in run through and ended up with 4031 changed and 851 warnings. Here’s an example of two of the records seen in the ‘View and Delete Log files’ list - Name 'Individual: Ruth PIMLOE [60]' Data 'CHR: Christened 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 13 February 1780 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' Warning %INDI.BAPM.FAMC% ~ Invalid Tag Name 'Individual: Ellen PORTER [61]' Data 'CHR: Christened 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' became 'BAPM: Baptised 1 November 1807 in Walton-le-Dale, Preston, Lancs.' So what’s wrong with the ones with the warning? I don’t understand why there is an invalid tag, when I had originally entered the information in the property box in exactly the same way for all christening records! A request please – can plug-in windows be made expandable please? Many thanks Julie Hill

Debbie, The geocode plotting that you are suggesting with Plugins is perfectly feasible. In case you have not found it already, try the 'Map Life Facts' Plugin that performs a very similar function. This Plugin geocode plots all the Facts in your GEDCOM for any one, any selection, or all Individuals, with one Map per person. You proposal simply needs a different filter for which Facts to plot, and then plot them all on a single Map. It might be possible to bolt on your ideas to the existing Plugin by adding another interface tab with the necessary filter options. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Kennett Sent: 29 March 2012 20:08 To: Family Historian Rootsweb list Subject: [FHU] Surname mapping with FH plug-ins This is not something I want to experiment with at the moment but for the purposes of something I'm working on I would like to know if this is conceptually possible. With the ability to geocode place-names and link them to Google Maps would it be possible to produce a plug in for FH that would enable the user to generate Google Maps from an FH database showing, for example, the place of birth of all the people with a given surname in a specified census, or perhaps the place of birth and/or baptism of all the people with a given surname in the database? Some good examples of the sort of maps I had in mind can be found on this one-name study website: http://www.gant-name.org.uk/maps.html I presume these maps were all compiled manually but I'm wondering if this is the sort of thing that the plug-ins could be used for so that such an exercise could be done automatically. Incidentially I received my upgrade CD today. I've only had a brief chance to experiment, but I've already discovered some wonderful new features, including some of the very helpful plug-ins. I particularly like the new fan charts. I'm also very pleased that we now have the ability to edit addresses from a central location and that facts can now have "after death" events so that wills, obituaries and inquisitions post mortem can now automatically appear after the death and burial events. Debbie Kennett http://cruwys.blogspot.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is not something I want to experiment with at the moment but for the purposes of something I'm working on I would like to know if this is conceptually possible. With the ability to geocode place-names and link them to Google Maps would it be possible to produce a plug in for FH that would enable the user to generate Google Maps from an FH database showing, for example, the place of birth of all the people with a given surname in a specified census, or perhaps the place of birth and/or baptism of all the people with a given surname in the database? Some good examples of the sort of maps I had in mind can be found on this one-name study website: http://www.gant-name.org.uk/maps.html I presume these maps were all compiled manually but I'm wondering if this is the sort of thing that the plug-ins could be used for so that such an exercise could be done automatically. Incidentially I received my upgrade CD today. I've only had a brief chance to experiment, but I've already discovered some wonderful new features, including some of the very helpful plug-ins. I particularly like the new fan charts. I'm also very pleased that we now have the ability to edit addresses from a central location and that facts can now have "after death" events so that wills, obituaries and inquisitions post mortem can now automatically appear after the death and burial events. Debbie Kennett http://cruwys.blogspot.com

Thanks John, thanks Jane. Regards Ed -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taubman Sent: 29 March 2012 16:16 To: john.wjames@which.net; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] UIDs found using UDF plugin You don't need them they typically come from PAF or Generations databases when you merge them and can be deleted as far as I am concerned. On 29 March 2012 15:25, John James <john.wjames@which.net> wrote: >>> A typical entry in the UDF Item column (of the search results) takes the form "648F771CC6A395439DE827DF0BEBF3B3EE10" -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You don't need them they typically come from PAF or Generations databases when you merge them and can be deleted as far as I am concerned. On 29 March 2012 15:25, John James <john.wjames@which.net> wrote: >>> A typical entry in the UDF Item column (of the search results) takes the form "648F771CC6A395439DE827DF0BEBF3B3EE10" -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Jane and Mike Thanks for the tips Joan

Mike, Simon, >>Save some money and buy the 'FH Upgrade V4 to V5'. >>New with FH V5 you no longer need to re-install every FH Version from V2 > V3 > V4 > V5 to get >>up-to-date.The 'FH Upgrade V4 to V5' can be installed with just the 'V3 to V4 Licence Registration Key' >>and the 'V4 to V5 Licence Registration Key'. That's not mentioned on the FH website anywhere I can see. In fact, in the 'Family Historian 5 Upgrade (Download)' entry in the Store it says quite explicitly "Requires an existing installation of version 4.x (unlocked, full version).". To me, 'existing installation' means 'actually installed'. Just as well my cheapskate instincts took over at the last moment, given I'd not that long ago had cause to buy a full V4 licence (before the free V5 upgrade offer, sadly). Perhaps the information of the FH website could be corrected for those that come after? :-) John

Ed, >> A typical entry in the UDF Item column (of the search results) takes the form "648F771CC6A395439DE827DF0BEBF3B3EE10" I had some of these too. In my case, they came from imported gedcoms that I'd exported from places like the IGI website. I deleted mine, as the material was otherwise well sourced anyway. No doubt someone more knowledgeable will now explain why I should have kept them ... :¬) HTH John

Victor I had a similar, though fortunately limited, exception report. Most of mine were - as Jane suggests - from imported gedcoms from other systems, like the IGI. It also made corrections to a number of Associate Person links, where an earlier version of FH had allowed the 'TYPE' field to be manually input with any old value, which I duly had done. But it looks as if V5 no longer does this, but automatically inserts the correct value (it should be 'INDI', 'FAM' etc etc). John .