This advice is consistent with the advice in the FHUG Knowledge Base at http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=glossary:places This also gives the GEDCOM definition for Place and Address fields. There may be other evidence than the Marriage Certificate/Parish Register of the Address of a Church or Registry Office. That evidence can be added as another Source Record with appropriate references, images, etc. Then that Source Record can be cited by every Fact/Event that takes place at that Church or Registry Office, whether Baptism, Marriage, Burial, etc. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk Sent: 01 April 2012 12:11 To: Laraine Hake; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details Hi Marion and Laraine. Re your confusion about the Marriage event place and address fields. Just out of curiosity - what did you put in the place and address field for other events like Occupation or Burial? In the marriage event I've just used the town/county name in the place field and the church name eg 'St Peter's Church' in the address field - or I've added a full address like 'St Peter's Church, High Street' if there is one. I agree that these don't usually appear on a certificate, but nevertheless that information is pertinent to the event and needs recording. Oh dear, unfortunately it seems you'll need to change each one manually. Good luck. Julie >I'm with you on this one Marion - had exactly the same problem!< > Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems with entering marriage data from certificates? > > Best wishes, > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex >

FH V5 has a basic Timeline Plugin that uses an Internet service to create a timeline for each Individual in isolation. I am sure it can evolve into something nearer your requirement. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ed Sent: 01 April 2012 10:17 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Time line I am looking for a TIMELINE function/application so that I can chart my ancestors against historic events. Nothing fantastic - just born/died. My various ancestors go back to about 1500 all over the world and I would dearly love a 'simple' idea of what was happening in the world shown against them. I us FH for all my records. Help please?

Hi Marion and Laraine. Re your confusion about the Marriage event place and address fields. Just out of curiosity - what did you put in the place and address field for other events like Occupation or Burial? In the marriage event I've just used the town/county name in the place field and the church name eg 'St Peter's Church' in the address field - or I've added a full address like 'St Peter's Church, High Street' if there is one. I agree that these don't usually appear on a certificate, but nevertheless that information is pertinent to the event and needs recording. Oh dear, unfortunately it seems you'll need to change each one manually. Good luck. Julie >I'm with you on this one Marion - had exactly the same problem!< > Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems with > entering marriage data from certificates? > > Best wishes, > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 01/04/2012 09:01, Marion Woolgar wrote: > it looks as if I will need to delete everything that I have done on marriages and reinsert it all. I will have to sit down and think this whole problem through and decide the best way forward. Marion, I appreciate that whatever you do there is a lot of work involved, and if you do indeed decide to delete all the marriage events then Ancestral Sources will be the best way of re-entering everything in a consistent format. However, it might not be necessary to delete everything because there are some things which don't need changing: 1. Presumably the date and place of every marriage is correct as it stands. 2. The ages of bride and groom are correct. 3. In some cases the notes are correct (either because the same note applies to bride and groom, or because the note, as it stands, applies correctly to one of them). 4. Although you have linked the media to one of the people rather than to the event, as you intended, you have already created a multimedia record for each image. Don't delete these, because you can use them either in Ancestral Sources or in a 'manual' correction. As I understand it, the following will need correcting: 1. The address needs to be deleted (or possibly changed to the name of the church) 2. You need to create residence events for each of the bride and groom. 3. You need to amend the notes. This could be done by either (a) adding to the existing marriage note so that the single note contains all the information you want for both the bride and the groom or (b) copying and pasting the existing note to a general note for the individual to which it applies (i.e.not attached to a particular event) and creating a new general note for the other individual. In either case, you would not need to re-enter all the note information, as some of it is already there. 4. You need to decide how you want the media to be linked. As you already have a multimedia record for each image it would be quite easy to unlink it from the individual and re-link it to the event, as you originally intended. As Mike explained in one of his replies, the recommended method is to create a source record for each marriage and link the media to the source (Ancestral Sources would do this for you), but this may not be necessary for your purposes. Good luck! Lorna

I'm with you on this one Marion - had exactly the same problem! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail008@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:31 AM To: <john.wjames@which.net>; <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details > John, > > Thanks for explaining that point. However, it really isn't my intention > to > blame anyone, the mistake is mine. All that I am trying to do is to point > out the source of the confusion in my mind with this particular problem. > Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems with > entering marriage data from certificates? > > Best wishes, > > Marion Woolgar > Bognor Regis, West Sussex > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, Thanks for explaining that point. However, it really isn't my intention to blame anyone, the mistake is mine. All that I am trying to do is to point out the source of the confusion in my mind with this particular problem. Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems with entering marriage data from certificates? Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

I am looking for a TIMELINE function/application so that I can chart my ancestors against historic events. Nothing fantastic - just born/died. My various ancestors go back to about 1500 all over the world and I would dearly love a 'simple' idea of what was happening in the world shown against them. I us FH for all my records. Help please? __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7016 (20120331) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Marion >> It is my confusion over the use of the words 'Place' and 'Address' within FH [...] as they obviously have a different meaning to me than to the author of the program. To be fair to Simon, the author of the program, the meaning of Place and Address is actually defined in the GEDCOM 5 standard, for which blame the Church of Latter Day Saints, as they own/define the standard. HTH John

I am most grateful to Mike Tate for his E-mails and also for the time and effort that he, and other List Members, have put in to help me with my present problem over entering marriage details correctly into FH v4. I downloaded an up-to-date version of Ancestral Sources last night and I have now used that against a test file to see what it does with marriages. However, it isn't going to correct the present situation and it looks as if I will need to delete everything that I have done on marriages and reinsert it all. I will have to sit down and think this whole problem through and decide the best way forward. I think that I will leave that for a few weeks so that I can complete the current section of bulk loading and get Easter out of the way and then it will be easier for me properly to take stock of the position. Compared to the antiquity of our parish churches, street names are a very modern thing. Most of our ancient parish churches didn't have street names when they were built, they were added for the convenience of the postal system post-1837 and showed little imagination as most of them are 'Church Street', 'Church Lane' etc. When adding a CMB to FH, it is therefore only necessary to put the name of the parish in the 'Place' field, e.g. Steyning, Sussex, to perfectly identify the church where the event took place in the vast majority of instances. Only where the event took place in a large town or city where there are several Anglican churches, or in an RC or Non-Conformist chapel is any other place description necessary and still the 'Place' field is perfectly adequate e.g. Chichester, St Pancras, Sussex. The address field is therefore not needed for most entries. Furthermore, I am right that the address of a church or chapel is rarely stated on the fly-leaf of a Marriage Register or on a Marriage Certificate. Yes, a certificate may show the PLACE where the marriage was conducted e.g. Chichester Register Office, West Sussex but it won't state the ADDRESS of that Office as 61 North Street, Chichester, West Sussex, PO19 1NB on the certificate - and it is the details on that document and ONLY on that document that I want to transcribe into FH against a source citation of 'Marriage Certificate' showing the GRO reference belonging to it in the 'Where within source' box. It is my confusion over the use of the words 'Place' and 'Address' within FH that has led to my present difficulties as they obviously have a different meaning to me than to the author of the program. On the subject of 'Individual' and 'Family' events, and thanks to Mike Tate's very detailed explanation, I can now see where my confusion has arisen. When I entered the marriage information into FH, I did so in a dialogue box labelled "Individual" and so I thought that I was entering information relating to individuals and not relating to families. Now it appears that, deep into "Getting the Most From Family Historian", a 199 page document, on page 59 it says that a marriage record is a family event. OK, I should have found this document on the CD, read it cover to cover and memorised every word of it; but why on earth do you enter the marriage details into a dialogue box clearly labelled 'Individual' that shows on top of a Records Window with the 'Individual Tab' clearly selected? Now, I'll fully admit that I am not the sharpest knife in the box, but, come on, I've really not been given much of a chance here! Best wishes, Marion Woolgar -----Original Message----- From: Beryl & Mike Tate [mailto:post@tatewise.co.uk] Sent: 31 March 2012 20:00 To: 'Marion Woolgar' Subject: RE: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details Marion, May I recommend that you take the time to study "Getting the Most From Family Historian 4/5" that is included with FH via the Help option. On Page 59 of both guides it says: "There are fundamentally two kinds of events in Family Historian: Individual events and Family events. In Individual events, one individual only is the principal participant (examples would be Birth, Christening, Death, etc). In Family events, it is a couple who are the joint primary participants (examples would be Marriage and Divorce). Family events are effectively shared between the 2 primary participants. Exactly the same distinction applies to attributes. All of the standard attributes that Family Historian provides are Individual attributes, but as we shall see later, when you create custom attributes, you can create custom attributes for families too. You can tell at a glance whether a listed event or attribute is an Individual one or a Family one. Individual events or attributes have a blue circle next to them. Family events and attributes have a red circle next to them." There is also a lot to be gained by registering for free at the FHUG website http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi That is where you will be kept up to speed with new versions of Ancestral Sources that now handles Census, Baptism and Marriage. There are also textual and video tutorials on many aspects of Family Historian and Ancestral Sources and other genealogy related topics. You say: "An address is never given in any parish register that I have seen and is only very rarely given on Marriage Certificates." If you have found a Parish Register entry then presumably you know the Parish and thus the Church and therefore its Address, even if it is only Parish Church, Newtown, County, England. Every Marriage Certificate I have seen definitely names the Church or Registry Office where the ceremony took place, even if only the name of the Parish and County. Usually entering these details into a search engine such as Google or Google Maps will turn up an even more detailed address. Please persevere with FH, but use the Help buttons, work through the "Getting the Most From Family Historian", and join the FHUG. Like most software, FH tries to offer features to satisfy many users, but you do not have to use them all. Regards, Mike Tate

I replied to this post a couple of days ago but it seems to have disappeared into the ether so here goes again. I couldn't agree more. This is not good. I found moving it to the bottom left has the least intrusion but it has to be done each time. Another change from previous versions happens when adding a rectangle. This now comes up with the rectangle filled with a white background and at the top level so that it blocks out the view of the diagram. Can it be changed back to opening without a background colour? John On 31/03/2012 7:23 AM, walton wrote: > I've installed the latest version on top of vs 4. When using a diagram, it > seems the Movement Control box has to remain open to enable movement. On the > previous version, you could open the control box, select the option required > then close it and perform the movement. I'm finding having to have it remain > open a nuisance as it hides part of my diagram and I have to keep moving it > out of the way. In the previous version there were two icons on the > Toolbar - one for the Movement Control box to open it and one to enable > Moving/Resizing. Now I only have the Enable Moving/Resizing one. Is there a > way I can change this please? -- Site : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~owenjones/ojname1.html Family Photos& Software Reviews : http://owenjones.multiply.com/ MyHeritage : http://www.johnedowen.myheritage.com MyHeritage : http://www.ellenowen.myheritage.com Who Were They? : http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~owenjones/ Wyong Family History Group : http://rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nswwfhg/

The improved support for addresses in v5 has prompted me to confront the random format of the addresses and places in my GEDCOM of some 8000 people.   I’m confused about the relationship between Addresses and Places and would welcome any advice on best practice. My uncle Tony lived at 23 Railway Cuttings, East Cheam SM9 0MG.  Do I (A)   put the full address in the Address field and East Cheam in the place?  (or East Cheam, S urrey, England in the place).  Until now I’ve considered that a duplication and considered that one should (B)   not duplicate the place name in the address field but concatenate the address and place for the report template (i.e. the address is just 23 Railway Cuttings. My Methodist ancestry and instincts against profligacy had inclined me towards (B) but I’m now thinking that Address and Place are two separate fields which can be reported separately for different purposes and so the Address should also include the Place as in (A).  That would also enable you to include the postcode in the address without having to add it to the place.  Any comments?  Thank you in advance. Simon Potter

So when you open FH and open the Property Box Facts tab, the Copy Fact(s) button is enabled and the Paste Fact(s) button is greyed out. Hovering your cursor over the buttons gives the above button names as the popup tooltip? When you select a Fact does it matter which one you choose, or do all behave the same? If you choose a Family (red bullet) or Child (grey bullet) Fact and click Copy Fact(s) button, what happens? If you choose an Individual (blue bullet) Fact and click Copy Fact(s) button, does the Paste Fact(s) button next to it immediately become active or not? Or is it only when you switch to another Property Box does the Paste Fact(s) button become inactive? You are not accidentally running two copies of FH at the same time by any chance, and switching from one to the other? Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 18:41 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I spoke too soon. I've opened my project file again and the problem has recurred (i.e. after pressing the Copy Fact button the Paste Fact button remains greyed out). I've tried opening the Sample project again but the problem now occurs in that too. Any ideas? Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 15:27 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I tried it on the sample project and it seemed to work. I then tried again on my own project and the button was no longer greyed out. When I tried this morning I had already exited FH and then restarted and that still left me with the problem. The only things that were different this afternoon were (a) that I had done a full (project) backup on exiting FH this morning, and (b) that I had opened the sample project first. So it seems to be working now, but I've got no idea what I've done to make that happen! Thanks for the suggestion anyway, I'll obviously monitor the situation and, if the problem recurs, try the mailing list again. Many thanks, Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 11:49 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I'm probably missing something very obvious, but can someone please help?! I loaded a new version of v5 yesterday over the top of my old "upgraded from v2 up to v4.1.3" version under Windows 7 32-bit. Everything I've tried to do so far has worked fine except that if I try to copy a fact from one person to another (something I usually do when entering census entries), then although I appear to be able to use the "copy fact" button (the one next to the "add fact" button), I cannot paste the fact to another person as the "paste fact" button (next one along) remains greyed out. Explanation or assistance would be much appreciated! Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I spoke too soon. I've opened my project file again and the problem has recurred (i.e. after pressing the Copy Fact button the Paste Fact button remains greyed out). I've tried opening the Sample project again but the problem now occurs in that too. Any ideas? Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 15:27 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I tried it on the sample project and it seemed to work. I then tried again on my own project and the button was no longer greyed out. When I tried this morning I had already exited FH and then restarted and that still left me with the problem. The only things that were different this afternoon were (a) that I had done a full (project) backup on exiting FH this morning, and (b) that I had opened the sample project first. So it seems to be working now, but I've got no idea what I've done to make that happen! Thanks for the suggestion anyway, I'll obviously monitor the situation and, if the problem recurs, try the mailing list again. Many thanks, Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 11:49 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I'm probably missing something very obvious, but can someone please help?! I loaded a new version of v5 yesterday over the top of my old "upgraded from v2 up to v4.1.3" version under Windows 7 32-bit. Everything I've tried to do so far has worked fine except that if I try to copy a fact from one person to another (something I usually do when entering census entries), then although I appear to be able to use the "copy fact" button (the one next to the "add fact" button), I cannot paste the fact to another person as the "paste fact" button (next one along) remains greyed out. Explanation or assistance would be much appreciated! Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Victor, Very many thanks for your reply. I have used Ancestral Sources for entering census details but was unaware that it could be used for entering marriage data - that facility certainly isn't available using the program that I am running, so I will check for an upgrade. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

My grateful thanks to all those who took the time to write to me to show me where I have gone wrong. I have thanked each of them individually. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex

Mike, Very many thanks for taking the time to help me, it is much appreciated. It seems that I have made a bad mistake that is going to take me months of work to correct. The 'Address' field, like the 'Age' field, seemed like personal information to me; and the idea that it might refer to impersonal information such as the address of a church or chapel never occurred to me. An address is never given in any parish register that I have seen and is only very rarely given on Marriage Certificates. I am fast coming to the conclusion that FH is a very complicated program where all is not what it seems at first glance and I may have made a mistake in choosing it as the vehicle for my One-Name Study - and that's bad news because I ordered a copy of V5 and that arrived at lunchtime, so I am more or less stuck with it now. Another person who replied to my posting has also suggested that I use Ancestral Sources. I have tested that program for entering census details (I haven't entered those in bulk yet) but was unaware that it could be used for entering marriage data - that facility certainly isn't available using the program that I am running, so I will check for an upgrade. I have approximately 6,000 marriages to be deleted & re-entered and it might help me to get it right next time! Best wishes, Marion Woolgar

Bob, Glad to hear the problem has corrected itself. Maybe you are unaware that in recent years a lot has been added to the FHUG website http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi Ancestral Sources V3 now supports Baptisms and Marriages as well as Census data entry. The FHUG Knowledge Base now has both textual and video AS tutorials at http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=ancestralsources:index Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 15:27 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I tried it on the sample project and it seemed to work. I then tried again on my own project and the button was no longer greyed out. When I tried this morning I had already exited FH and then restarted and that still left me with the problem. The only things that were different this afternoon were (a) that I had done a full (project) backup on exiting FH this morning, and (b) that I had opened the sample project first. So it seems to be working now, but I've got no idea what I've done to make that happen! Thanks for the suggestion anyway, I'll obviously monitor the situation and, if the problem recurs, try the mailing list again. PS I did try Ancestral Sources a few years ago but never quite got the hang of it. Maybe you're right and it's time I tried it again. Many thanks, Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Beryl & Mike Tate Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:24 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 Bob, I am running FH V5 on Windows 7 (64-bit) and Vista (32-bit) but cannot reproduce your symptoms. If you use the Family Historian Sample Project does it make any difference? BTW, have you considered using Ancestral Sources V3 to enter Census data (and Baptisms and Marriages) into FH? It makes the task so much easier. See FHUG at http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi for details. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 11:49 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I'm probably missing something very obvious, but can someone please help?! I loaded a new version of v5 yesterday over the top of my old "upgraded from v2 up to v4.1.3" version under Windows 7 32-bit. Everything I've tried to do so far has worked fine except that if I try to copy a fact from one person to another (something I usually do when entering census entries), then although I appear to be able to use the "copy fact" button (the one next to the "add fact" button), I cannot paste the fact to another person as the "paste fact" button (next one along) remains greyed out. Explanation or assistance would be much appreciated! Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paddy, That is the only way to organise fixed column Place names to sort into columns. Inserting extra commas creates the blank field, whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. The 3rd blank field is useful if you want to do a 'Reverse Display Order' sort on State. Although the extra blank/comma appears in the Focus Window and Records Window, it does not appear in Diagram Boxes or any of the Individual/Family Reports. Perhaps a future version of FH would support an option to hide such blank/comma fields in the Focus Window. I don't think you want them hidden in the Records Window because that is where you can edit the Place name. There are various ways of achieving this kind of textual conversion. One way is to use a text editor such as PSPad on the GEDCOM file with an appropriate Find & Replace option. Better is to use the V5 Plugin 'Search and Replace Text' that has an option to only operate in the Place fields. Best would be a Plugin derived from 'Search and Replace Text' that would dedicatedly convert State (USA) or County (UK) or Chapman Codes in Place fields. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Buckley Sent: 31 March 2012 15:10 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Place names in columns I am trying to get some consistency in the Place names that I have recorded at intervals over several years. In Tools>Work with Data> Places, I have sorted them into 3 columns, corresponding to Township, County, State (in USA). When there are 3 elements in each place name, I can sort into columns by the use of commas. But if the place name has only 2 elements, the first being the County, the only way I know of locating the County in the middle column is to put a comma before the place name. This leaves "blank" in the first column. But then the comma is retained in the Focus window and in the Records Window. Does anyone know of a better way of sorting into columns? In addition is there an easy way of converting abbreviations for State (USA) or County (UK) or Chapman Codes into full names? Paddy Buckley

Just put township,,state. Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Buckley Sent: 31 March 2012 15:10 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Place names in columns I am trying to get some consistency in the Place names that I have recorded at intervals over several years. In Tools>Work with Data> Places, I have sorted them into 3 columns, corresponding to Township, County, State (in USA). When there are 3 elements in each place name, I can sort into columns by the use of commas. But if the place name has only 2 elements, the first being the County, the only way I know of locating the County in the middle column is to put a comma before the place name. This leaves "blank" in the first column. But then the comma is retained in the Focus window and in the Records Window. Does anyone know of a better way of sorting into columns? In addition is there an easy way of converting abbreviations for State (USA) or County (UK) or Chapman Codes into full names? Paddy Buckley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I tried it on the sample project and it seemed to work. I then tried again on my own project and the button was no longer greyed out. When I tried this morning I had already exited FH and then restarted and that still left me with the problem. The only things that were different this afternoon were (a) that I had done a full (project) backup on exiting FH this morning, and (b) that I had opened the sample project first. So it seems to be working now, but I've got no idea what I've done to make that happen! Thanks for the suggestion anyway, I'll obviously monitor the situation and, if the problem recurs, try the mailing list again. PS I did try Ancestral Sources a few years ago but never quite got the hang of it. Maybe you're right and it's time I tried it again. Many thanks, Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Beryl & Mike Tate Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 12:24 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 Bob, I am running FH V5 on Windows 7 (64-bit) and Vista (32-bit) but cannot reproduce your symptoms. If you use the Family Historian Sample Project does it make any difference? BTW, have you considered using Ancestral Sources V3 to enter Census data (and Baptisms and Marriages) into FH? It makes the task so much easier. See FHUG at http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi for details. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bob Brock (general mail) Sent: 31 March 2012 11:49 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Pasting facts in v5 I'm probably missing something very obvious, but can someone please help?! I loaded a new version of v5 yesterday over the top of my old "upgraded from v2 up to v4.1.3" version under Windows 7 32-bit. Everything I've tried to do so far has worked fine except that if I try to copy a fact from one person to another (something I usually do when entering census entries), then although I appear to be able to use the "copy fact" button (the one next to the "add fact" button), I cannot paste the fact to another person as the "paste fact" button (next one along) remains greyed out. Explanation or assistance would be much appreciated! Bob Brock www.badger55.co.uk