As has been said several times everyone has the option to use FH differently ~ ditto many other software applications. There are no prizes for using all the features available, they are there to satisfy a wide user base demand. When it comes to Place and Address fields they simply reflect the underlying GEDCOM structure that FH adheres to. There has always been some doubt about the purpose of these two fields, whereas most other fields are more obvious. For post-1837 Events, I use the Place field to record the GRO Registration District, County, Country of the Event. I use the Address to hold the postal Address of the Event which may include a Village within the District, and sometimes is in a different County when near a border. I also often include a modern Postcode, because that helps with Geocode plotting the Address with Google Maps. In fact I need more than three Address Columns and have increased that value. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Constable Sent: 01 April 2012 17:44 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details There seems to be some overlap in the Help, the program, the book and FHUG mailings in the use of the terms Address, Place and Residence. Could someone offer glossary entries for these, please? Facts frequently offer text boxes for a place and an address. Is a place "Coketown, Barsetshire, UK", or "St Ebenezer's, Much Binding, Barsetshire"? Is an Address always just "55 Wisteria Lane" - in which case, why does Working with Data > Addresses have three columns.....? (Stands well back....) Ian

On 01/04/2012 17:46, Marion Woolgar wrote: > > To take your argument, and that of many others, to its logical conclusion, > when entering a birth from a Birth Certificate, the 'Place' would be the > Register Office where the birth was registered and the 'Address' would be > the address of that Office. Ditto for Deaths entered from Death > Certificates. In the process, valuable data from the certificates as to the > location where the birth occurred or the person died wouldn't get entered > into the program. > I know it seems confusing, Marion, and I really do sympathise, but that is not the logical conclusion. The point is that for any EVENT (birth, baptism, marriage, census, death, burial) the address is intended to show where the EVENT took place. In other words, it is intended specifically to capture that 'valuable data' you mention. And that data may include not just the place (town or village) but the exact address of the house/hospital/church. The birth EVENT took place in a house or a hospital. The birth event did not take place at the register office (one hopes!!), that's just where it was registered. The baptism EVENT took place at a particular church. It just so happens that with baptisms and burials the event is recorded in the church register, so the place of the event and the place it is recorded are the same. Similarly, someone might die in their own house or in a hospital so the address of the death EVENT is the house or hospital, not the register office where the death was registered. On the other hand, to record where someone was LIVING at the time the event took place, you need to use a Residence fact (or, in your case, your custom address fact). Best wishes, Lorna

Hello Marion, Whoops! This is the reason I asked the question. I'm with Lorna on this - the address field in any event is for the event address not the home address of the person involved. For example you may have a baptism which says took place at 'Anytown, Hampshire, but the address would not be for that person's home - for eg 'Honeypot Cottage'! It would read like the baptism took place at Honeypot Cottage:) For burials it would read like the person had been buried in their own backyard lol! For occupations I only add an address if I know the address of the mill/factory/shop or wherever that person worked. I do use the Sources in the same way as you, and have a source called GRO Registrations. I then enter the GRO ref in the 'Where within Source' box and then details like age or Mother's maiden surname in the 'Text from Source' field. In the case of Parish Registers, if I have accessed the actual register, my source is 'Anytown Parish Register' and then the citation is Primary Evidence, or if it was a transcription it would be 'Secondary Evidence' or even 'Unreliable' in the case of the IGI. I then add 'Anytown Baptisms' in the 'Where within source' field, and then the 'Text from Source' field contains, as in baptisms - parent's names, father's occupation, or in marriages whether they are both 'of this parish' 'bachelor' or spinster' and any other notes in the register margin. For Deaths and Births of course this event may well have happened 'at home' and the address details can be seen on the actual certificate. If the death occurred in hospital, then the address event details would show the address of the hospital. I add any other notes like Informant in the Source Notes Field. Some Births, especially a first birth, may happen at the women's parent's home, and this is the address which goes into the Place and Address Field, with maybe a local note to say that the mother was staying at her parent's home at the time of the birth. As others have said Ancestral Sources is an excellent way of adding your data and keeping everything consistent. FH is so versatile though, that there are various ways of adding data, and everyone has their own preferred way of doing things. Unfortunately, its not until you get to know the program fairly well, that you can judge which is the best way for you, or to foresee any pitfalls. Apart from reading the FH manual I would also suggest that you have a look at the FHUG website, as this will help immensely. best wishes Julie -----Original Message----- From: Marion Woolgar Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 2:41 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details Julie, This is what I have been doing to record the various events: Birth - The place name and address is taken from the "When & where born" column (col 1 on most certs) of the Birth Certificate as it's impossible to tell whether that is a residential address or the address of an institution such as a hospital or workhouse. If the address in the "Signature, description & residence of informant " column (col 7) is different , then that goes into the Notes field. If the informant isn't a parent, then that goes into the Notes field too. I have a source called 'Birth Certificate' and I enter that as a citation with the GRO ref for the certificate appearing in the "Where within source" box. Baptism - The parish goes into the 'Place' field and as it is rare for the parents' address to appear in the Baptism Register, apart from the name of the parish, that is usually left blank. However, in those rare cases where the parents' address is given, that goes into the 'Address' field. The entry is sourced to the parish registers e.g. Chichester, St Peter the Great, SSX Parish Registers". Deaths - The place name and address is taken from the "When & where died" column (col 1) on the Death Certificate for the same reason as for Birth entries above. If that address is different from the address shown in "Signature, description & residence of informant " column (col 7), then the latter goes into the Notes field. The name of the informant is also put into the Notes field too. I have a source called 'Death Certificate' and I enter that as a citation with the GRO ref for the certificate appearing in the "Where within source" box. Burials - For parish burials, the name of the parish goes into the Place field and as it is rare for the deceased's address to appear in the Burial Register, apart from the name of the parish, that is usually left blank. However, in those rare cases where the deceased's address is given, that goes into the 'Address' field. The entry is sourced to the parish registers e.g. Chichester, St Peter the Great, SSX Parish Registers". In the case of cemetery registers, it is more usual for the last known address to be stated, in which case that goes into the 'Address' field and I create a source for the particular cemetery e.g. 'Portfield Cemetery, Chichester, Sussex'. It strikes me as a bit odd that there isn't a facility within FH for entering the name and address of informants as shown in col 7 of Birth and Death Certificates as that can sometimes be very useful information. As for occupations, I haven't entered many of those at present as I haven't bulk loaded census data yet. At the moment, I just put any occupation details that I come across in the field provided on the Property Box with the appropriate source citation. So, I haven't entered any place name or address for occupations at the present. I always keep the sources part of the property box docked to remind me to source every entry and I make a lot of use of the "Set automatic citation facility" on the "Tools" menu. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorna, Believe me, amending all the baptism & burials entries where addresses are quoted just isn't going to happen! To take your argument, and that of many others, to its logical conclusion, when entering a birth from a Birth Certificate, the 'Place' would be the Register Office where the birth was registered and the 'Address' would be the address of that Office. Ditto for Deaths entered from Death Certificates. In the process, valuable data from the certificates as to the location where the birth occurred or the person died wouldn't get entered into the program. I have now been through "Getting the Most from Family Historian 4" as supplied with the program. There isn't a single instance where it mentions what goes into the 'Address' field, neither does the word 'Address' even appear in the index. Crucially, where the book discusses how to enter details of a birth into the 'Facts' tab (Chapter 6, Page 57 and Figure 30), the use of the 'Address' field isn't either mentioned or illustrated. Try it for yourself using Ctrl+F to tab your way through the pdf file. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar Bognor Regis, West Sussex SFHG Member No: 3323

There seems to be some overlap in the Help, the program, the book and FHUG mailings in the use of the terms Address, Place and Residence. Could someone offer glossary entries for these, please? Facts frequently offer text boxes for a place and an address. Is a place "Coketown, Barsetshire, UK", or "St Ebenezer's, Much Binding, Barsetshire"? Is an Address always just "55 Wisteria Lane" - in which case, why does Working with Data > Addresses have three columns.....? (Stands well back....) Ian

On 01/04/2012 14:41, Marion Woolgar wrot > Baptism - The parish goes into the 'Place' field and as it is rare for the > parents' address to appear in the Baptism Register, apart from the name of > the parish, that is usually left blank. However, in those rare cases where > the parents' address is given, that goes into the 'Address' field. The > entry is sourced to the parish registers e.g. Chichester, St Peter the > Great, SSX Parish Registers". > > > > Burials - For parish burials, the name of the parish goes into the Place > field and as it is rare for the deceased's address to appear in the Burial > Register, apart from the name of the parish, that is usually left blank. > However, in those rare cases where the deceased's address is given, that > goes into the 'Address' field. The entry is sourced to the parish registers > e.g. Chichester, St Peter the Great, SSX Parish Registers". In the case of > cemetery registers, it is more usual for the last known address to be > stated, in which case that goes into the 'Address' field and I create a > source for the particular cemetery e.g. 'Portfield Cemetery, Chichester, > Sussex'. > > Sadly it looks as if you will need to amend your baptism and burial addresses, where they exist, as well as the marriage addresses. This is another case where the address field is intended to hold the address of the church where the individual was baptised or buried, not the individual's (or their parents') address. I understand why you have chosen not to use the 'Residence' fact because of confusion with Poor Law Residence, but with hindsight it might have been better to use the standard Residence fact for the individual's address (as intended in the Gedcom specification) and create a new 'Residence for Poor Law Purposes' fact for the Poor Law. However, don't worry, if you can get the addresses transferred into your custom address fact that will sort things out a lot. It occurs to me that maybe one of those experts out there who write plugins might be able to write one which would transfer all baptism and burial address fromthe bap/burial event to the address fact for you?? This would save a lot of time. (With marriages it would be trickier because the plugin would need to know whether to transfer the address to the bride or the groom.) Lorna

Paddy, I advise you NOT to remove the Place multiple commas via the Records Window or the Property Box. This will only affect that ONE Place name field, and all other replicas will remain with multiple commas. (BTW: It will "reverse the changes made in the Place names columns" because those columns are simply a consolidation of all your Place fields, not a separate list) You should use Tools > Work with Data > Places and undo the multiple commas there. Then the change will be globally applied to all Place fields simultaneously. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Buckley Sent: 01 April 2012 13:35 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Place names in columns Thank you Mike. Arranging place names in 3 columns by the use of commas, is a useful way of sorting out anomalies and errors picked up over the years, especially with less familiar USA place names. But it does mean that the commas then appear in the Focus Window, which I don't like. So I shall have to use the Records Window to remove those commas. If that then reverses the changes made in the Place names columns; so be it. At least I shall have fixed the previous errors and anomalies. I wish though that the corrections could have been speeded up by 'prescriptive text' (if that is the right term) as in the Focus window. Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] Place names in columns > Paddy, > > That is the only way to organise fixed column Place names to sort into > columns. > Inserting extra commas creates the blank field, whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. > The 3rd blank field is useful if you want to do a 'Reverse Display Order' > sort on State. > > Although the extra blank/comma appears in the Focus Window and Records > Window, it does not appear in Diagram Boxes or any of the > Individual/Family Reports. > Perhaps a future version of FH would support an option to hide such > blank/comma fields in the Focus Window. > I don't think you want them hidden in the Records Window because that is > where you can edit the Place name. > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paddy > Buckley > Sent: 31 March 2012 15:10 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FHU] Place names in columns > > I am trying to get some consistency in the Place names that I have > recorded at intervals over several years. In Tools>Work with > Data> Places, I have sorted them into 3 columns, corresponding to > Township, County, State (in USA). When there are 3 elements in > each place name, I can sort into columns by the use of commas. But if the > place name has only 2 elements, the first being the > County, the only way I know of locating the County in the middle column is > to put a comma before the place name. This leaves > "blank" in the first column. But then the comma is retained in the Focus > window and in the Records Window. Does anyone know of a > better way of sorting into columns? > > In addition is there an easy way of converting abbreviations for State > (USA) or County (UK) or Chapman Codes into full names? > Paddy Buckley > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brian, You may not be able to Google Geocode down to house number, but you can definitely Geocode down to Street level or Postcode in most cases. If you have FH V5 then try the "Map Life Facts" Plugin that plots Address &/or Place fields onto Google Maps and optionally integrates them with FH created web pages. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Brian Griffiths Sent: 01 April 2012 14:48 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details I always put cemeteries and churches in the PLACE field - reason is I want to geocode them in Google maps ( using TNG to publish my tree online). As far as I know you can't geocode down to address level, and in general I'm not sure that I would want to, but those are two exceptions. BrianG On 01/04/2012 13:52, Laraine Hake wrote: > This has made me check back Julie. Looking at an arbitrary entry, I see I > have put the name and address of the cemetery in the Place field and left > the address field empty - but I really am very, very new to FH and do not > pretend really to know what I am doing, let alone to be an expert. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Victor, Yes, I also put informant's details in the Notes field. You're right, I did forget to show the details that I enter for probate details. This is what I do: For pre-1858 probates, I use separate 'Facts' for Wills and Administrations. For each type of 'Fact', I put the name of the Ecclesiastical Court in the 'Place' field e.g. Archdeaconry Court of Chichester and if the last known address for the testator is given in the probate, that goes into the 'Address' field. For post-1858 probates, I use three separate 'Facts', one for Wills, one for Administrations and another for Administrations with Wills (the latter usually occurs where the executor named in the Will has predeceased the testator or otherwise refuses to act). I put the name of the Probate Registry in the 'Place' field and the last known address for the testator goes into the 'Address' field. If the probate also states the place of death, or the manner of death e.g. killed by enemy action, that usually goes into the Notes column pro-tem until I tackle the bulk loading of probates a bit later on. If I also have a copy of a Will, I use a 'Fact' called 'Will made' to insert the date that the document was signed. The 'Place' is taken from whatever information is given in the Will and if a street address is also given, that goes into the 'Address' field. I use the same procedure for any Codicils that may be present and have created another 'Fact' for that purpose. Some List members have referred to the 'Residence' fact as the place to put what perhaps I should call a street address. I don't use this standard fact because it becomes confusing when dealing with aspects of the Poor Law administration. For Poor Law purposes, a person may be living at a street address in Chichester, but their place of residence is in Steyning parish and a Settlement Certificate is issued to that effect. So, to avoid that sort of confusion, I have created an 'Address' fact where I put any addresses gleaned from a wide variety of source documents, such as street directories, military attestation papers and service records etc. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar

I always put cemeteries and churches in the PLACE field - reason is I want to geocode them in Google maps ( using TNG to publish my tree online). As far as I know you can't geocode down to address level, and in general I'm not sure that I would want to, but those are two exceptions. BrianG On 01/04/2012 13:52, Laraine Hake wrote: > This has made me check back Julie. Looking at an arbitrary entry, I see I > have put the name and address of the cemetery in the Place field and left > the address field empty - but I really am very, very new to FH and do not > pretend really to know what I am doing, let alone to be an expert.

Lorna, Many thanks for your input. Yes, I agree that there may well be more than one way to correct the position and I will certainly carefully consider what needs to be done before starting. Otherwise 'frying pan' and 'fire' come to mind! Thank you very much for your various suggestions. However, I do think that creating a separate source for each marriage entry or certificate would prove to be unwieldy in practice. I have over 6,000 marriage entries to correct, of which approx. 2,000 will have media to be attached. If I create 2,000 new sources, just for marriage certificates and photos, I'll never be able to find what I want as the list of available sources would become horrendously long. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar

Julie, This is what I have been doing to record the various events: Birth - The place name and address is taken from the "When & where born" column (col 1 on most certs) of the Birth Certificate as it's impossible to tell whether that is a residential address or the address of an institution such as a hospital or workhouse. If the address in the "Signature, description & residence of informant " column (col 7) is different , then that goes into the Notes field. If the informant isn't a parent, then that goes into the Notes field too. I have a source called 'Birth Certificate' and I enter that as a citation with the GRO ref for the certificate appearing in the "Where within source" box. Baptism - The parish goes into the 'Place' field and as it is rare for the parents' address to appear in the Baptism Register, apart from the name of the parish, that is usually left blank. However, in those rare cases where the parents' address is given, that goes into the 'Address' field. The entry is sourced to the parish registers e.g. Chichester, St Peter the Great, SSX Parish Registers". Deaths - The place name and address is taken from the "When & where died" column (col 1) on the Death Certificate for the same reason as for Birth entries above. If that address is different from the address shown in "Signature, description & residence of informant " column (col 7), then the latter goes into the Notes field. The name of the informant is also put into the Notes field too. I have a source called 'Death Certificate' and I enter that as a citation with the GRO ref for the certificate appearing in the "Where within source" box. Burials - For parish burials, the name of the parish goes into the Place field and as it is rare for the deceased's address to appear in the Burial Register, apart from the name of the parish, that is usually left blank. However, in those rare cases where the deceased's address is given, that goes into the 'Address' field. The entry is sourced to the parish registers e.g. Chichester, St Peter the Great, SSX Parish Registers". In the case of cemetery registers, it is more usual for the last known address to be stated, in which case that goes into the 'Address' field and I create a source for the particular cemetery e.g. 'Portfield Cemetery, Chichester, Sussex'. It strikes me as a bit odd that there isn't a facility within FH for entering the name and address of informants as shown in col 7 of Birth and Death Certificates as that can sometimes be very useful information. As for occupations, I haven't entered many of those at present as I haven't bulk loaded census data yet. At the moment, I just put any occupation details that I come across in the field provided on the Property Box with the appropriate source citation. So, I haven't entered any place name or address for occupations at the present. I always keep the sources part of the property box docked to remind me to source every entry and I make a lot of use of the "Set automatic citation facility" on the "Tools" menu. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar

Entering the registration date as "1Q Mar 1894" for example, controls how the date is printed on reports. Using Q1 1894 does mean the same, however, it prints as "between January 1894 and March 1894". As an aside, my use of "1Q Mar 1894" is from another program which for every event has both a date and a sort date. The sort date controls the order in which events appear, and is thus quite handy. Katrina On 1 April 2012 14:03, Beryl & Mike Tate <post@tatewise.co.uk> wrote: > Just as matter of interest - why do you use the Date Phrase: "1Q Mar 1894" > rather than the standard Quarter Date: Q1 1894 that means > the same thing. > > The Quarter Date is recognised and validated by FH as an actual Date and > allows the Event to sorted into its correct Date order > position. > Whereas a Date Phrase is not recognised as a Date because it is just a > text string. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Katrina Hodgson > Sent: 01 April 2012 20:36 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details > > I also have custom events that record registration information. For > example, the event BirthReg: date is recorded in quotes "1Q Mar > 1894", place (without quotes) Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire. > > As others have said, there's lots of ways to do things, whatever works > best for each of us. > > Katrina > >

It is always a good idea to think about the output you want from your FH data as the way you enter your data will determine the way it is displayed in the narrative reports and in the diagrams. I like to create flowing narrative reports that tell a story. For marriages I enter the place (eg, Thatcham, Berkshire) in the place field. I put the name of the church in the address field (eg, St Mary's Church). I adjust the sentences in the facts menu so that the report will read: x and x married at St Mary's Church in Thatcham on .... I then put all the other details from the marriage certificate in quite a lengthy narrative format in the notes field. Here's a typical example. "James, 26, a bachelor, was a gardener and Louisa, 18, was a spinster. They both signed the register. Both James and Louisa were living at Red Cross Street at the time of the marriage. James's father was Samuel Trask, a gardener. Louisa's father was William Andrews, a grocer. The witnesses were William Andrews, Golden [?] Griggs and Amelia Andrews." In this way when a report is generated, all my narrative detail about the marriage appears with the marriage record, and helps to put everything into context. I see no need to create separate address events for the addresses of the bride and groom at the time of marriage. If you do this then you end up with all the information related to the marriage spread out in different places in the report, making it very repetitive and difficult to read. It is of course entirely a matter of personal preference, and no one method will suit everyone. Best wishes Debbie Kennett http://cruwys.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laraine Hake Sent: 01 April 2012 13:52 To: JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details This has made me check back Julie. Looking at an arbitrary entry, I see I have put the name and address of the cemetery in the Place field and left the address field empty - but I really am very, very new to FH and do not pretend really to know what I am doing, let alone to be an expert. Come to think of it..............having used Pedigree since the mid 1990s, the entry I have just checked is what was imported from the Gedcom, I have not entered these details manually. Yes, it appears that all the details imported from the Gedcom have been slotted into the "Place" field - it is only when I have entered new data, post 1837, that I have attempted to put in the individual addresses from marriage certificates and hit the obstacle of the marriage details not relating to the certificate. Clearly, Ancestral Sources will be a better alternative in these circumstances. I have already used it for census information. Laraine -------------------------------------------------- From: <JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:10 PM To: "Laraine Hake" <laraine10@btinternet.com>; <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details > Hi Marion and Laraine. > > Re your confusion about the Marriage event place and address fields. > Just out of curiosity - what did you put in the place and address > field for other events like Occupation or Burial? > > In the marriage event I've just used the town/county name in the place > field and the church name eg 'St Peter's Church' in the address field > - or I've added a full address like 'St Peter's Church, High Street' > if there is one. I agree that these don't usually appear on a > certificate, but nevertheless that information is pertinent to the > event and needs recording. > > Oh dear, unfortunately it seems you'll need to change each one manually. > > Good luck. > > Julie > > >>I'm with you on this one Marion - had exactly the same problem!< > > >> Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems >> with entering marriage data from certificates? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Marion Woolgar >> Bognor Regis, West Sussex >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can add details of informants in the notes part of the death certificate details The only thing you have left out are probate details. Not everyone has probate details but where they are available the address of the person who died is usually given Victor Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Marion Woolgar" <listmail008@btinternet.com> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:41:51 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details Julie, This is what I have been doing to record the various events: Birth - The place name and address is taken from the "When & where born" column (col 1 on most certs) of the Birth Certificate as it's impossible to tell whether that is a residential address or the address of an institution such as a hospital or workhouse. If the address in the "Signature, description & residence of informant " column (col 7) is different , then that goes into the Notes field. If the informant isn't a parent, then that goes into the Notes field too. I have a source called 'Birth Certificate' and I enter that as a citation with the GRO ref for the certificate appearing in the "Where within source" box. Baptism - The parish goes into the 'Place' field and as it is rare for the parents' address to appear in the Baptism Register, apart from the name of the parish, that is usually left blank. However, in those rare cases where the parents' address is given, that goes into the 'Address' field. The entry is sourced to the parish registers e.g. Chichester, St Peter the Great, SSX Parish Registers". Deaths - The place name and address is taken from the "When & where died" column (col 1) on the Death Certificate for the same reason as for Birth entries above. If that address is different from the address shown in "Signature, description & residence of informant " column (col 7), then the latter goes into the Notes field. The name of the informant is also put into the Notes field too. I have a source called 'Death Certificate' and I enter that as a citation with the GRO ref for the certificate appearing in the "Where within source" box. Burials - For parish burials, the name of the parish goes into the Place field and as it is rare for the deceased's address to appear in the Burial Register, apart from the name of the parish, that is usually left blank. However, in those rare cases where the deceased's address is given, that goes into the 'Address' field. The entry is sourced to the parish registers e.g. Chichester, St Peter the Great, SSX Parish Registers". In the case of cemetery registers, it is more usual for the last known address to be stated, in which case that goes into the 'Address' field and I create a source for the particular cemetery e.g. 'Portfield Cemetery, Chichester, Sussex'. It strikes me as a bit odd that there isn't a facility within FH for entering the name and address of informants as shown in col 7 of Birth and Death Certificates as that can sometimes be very useful information. As for occupations, I haven't entered many of those at present as I haven't bulk loaded census data yet. At the moment, I just put any occupation details that I come across in the field provided on the Property Box with the appropriate source citation. So, I haven't entered any place name or address for occupations at the present. I always keep the sources part of the property box docked to remind me to source every entry and I make a lot of use of the "Set automatic citation facility" on the "Tools" menu. Best wishes, Marion Woolgar ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This has made me check back Julie. Looking at an arbitrary entry, I see I have put the name and address of the cemetery in the Place field and left the address field empty - but I really am very, very new to FH and do not pretend really to know what I am doing, let alone to be an expert. Come to think of it..............having used Pedigree since the mid 1990s, the entry I have just checked is what was imported from the Gedcom, I have not entered these details manually. Yes, it appears that all the details imported from the Gedcom have been slotted into the "Place" field - it is only when I have entered new data, post 1837, that I have attempted to put in the individual addresses from marriage certificates and hit the obstacle of the marriage details not relating to the certificate. Clearly, Ancestral Sources will be a better alternative in these circumstances. I have already used it for census information. Laraine -------------------------------------------------- From: <JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:10 PM To: "Laraine Hake" <laraine10@btinternet.com>; <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details > Hi Marion and Laraine. > > Re your confusion about the Marriage event place and address fields. Just > out of curiosity - what did you put in the place and address field for > other events like Occupation or Burial? > > In the marriage event I've just used the town/county name in the place > field and the church name eg 'St Peter's Church' in the address field - or > I've added a full address like 'St Peter's Church, High Street' if there > is one. I agree that these don't usually appear on a certificate, but > nevertheless that information is pertinent to the event and needs > recording. > > Oh dear, unfortunately it seems you'll need to change each one manually. > > Good luck. > > Julie > > >>I'm with you on this one Marion - had exactly the same problem!< > > >> Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems >> with >> entering marriage data from certificates? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Marion Woolgar >> Bognor Regis, West Sussex >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debbie Strange that you mentioned Thatcham. Do you live there? I do! Using Ancestry Sources you input all the details you described. If you don't want the couples addresses at the time of marriage just leave them out. AS saves a lot of time adding marriage details Victor Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Debbie Kennett" <debbiekennett@aol.com> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:32:50 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details It is always a good idea to think about the output you want from your FH data as the way you enter your data will determine the way it is displayed in the narrative reports and in the diagrams. I like to create flowing narrative reports that tell a story. For marriages I enter the place (eg, Thatcham, Berkshire) in the place field. I put the name of the church in the address field (eg, St Mary's Church). I adjust the sentences in the facts menu so that the report will read: x and x married at St Mary's Church in Thatcham on .... I then put all the other details from the marriage certificate in quite a lengthy narrative format in the notes field. Here's a typical example. "James, 26, a bachelor, was a gardener and Louisa, 18, was a spinster. They both signed the register. Both James and Louisa were living at Red Cross Street at the time of the marriage. James's father was Samuel Trask, a gardener. Louisa's father was William Andrews, a grocer. The witnesses were William Andrews, Golden [?] Griggs and Amelia Andrews." In this way when a report is generated, all my narrative detail about the marriage appears with the marriage record, and helps to put everything into context. I see no need to create separate address events for the addresses of the bride and groom at the time of marriage. If you do this then you end up with all the information related to the marriage spread out in different places in the report, making it very repetitive and difficult to read. It is of course entirely a matter of personal preference, and no one method will suit everyone. Best wishes Debbie Kennett http://cruwys.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Laraine Hake Sent: 01 April 2012 13:52 To: JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details This has made me check back Julie. Looking at an arbitrary entry, I see I have put the name and address of the cemetery in the Place field and left the address field empty - but I really am very, very new to FH and do not pretend really to know what I am doing, let alone to be an expert. Come to think of it..............having used Pedigree since the mid 1990s, the entry I have just checked is what was imported from the Gedcom, I have not entered these details manually. Yes, it appears that all the details imported from the Gedcom have been slotted into the "Place" field - it is only when I have entered new data, post 1837, that I have attempted to put in the individual addresses from marriage certificates and hit the obstacle of the marriage details not relating to the certificate. Clearly, Ancestral Sources will be a better alternative in these circumstances. I have already used it for census information. Laraine -------------------------------------------------- From: <JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:10 PM To: "Laraine Hake" <laraine10@btinternet.com>; <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details > Hi Marion and Laraine. > > Re your confusion about the Marriage event place and address fields. > Just out of curiosity - what did you put in the place and address > field for other events like Occupation or Burial? > > In the marriage event I've just used the town/county name in the place > field and the church name eg 'St Peter's Church' in the address field > - or I've added a full address like 'St Peter's Church, High Street' > if there is one. I agree that these don't usually appear on a > certificate, but nevertheless that information is pertinent to the > event and needs recording. > > Oh dear, unfortunately it seems you'll need to change each one manually. > > Good luck. > > Julie > > >>I'm with you on this one Marion - had exactly the same problem!< > > >> Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems >> with entering marriage data from certificates? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Marion Woolgar >> Bognor Regis, West Sussex >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like to enter 'event' places with the greatest detail that the 'evidence' gives. For example, the GRO index gives 'evidence' of a birth. So I enter the birth place as, for example, "Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire". The full citation from the GRO index is entered in the source. If I later find out more precise info, I'll update the birth place entry, and add the additional source citation. I also have custom events that record registration information. For example, the event BirthReg: date is recorded in quotes "1Q Mar 1894", place (without quotes) Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire. As others have said, there's lots of ways to do things, whatever works best for each of us. Katrina On 1 April 2012 12:33, <JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > The 'event' place for a Birth is the home or hospital - not the register > office where the birth was registered. This would be a 'registration > event' > . You can record the registration district in the Source citation for > certificates. I usually put this is in the 'Where within' field - > like 'Anytown Registration District', or RD for short, and then Vol 8e > Page > 333 for instance. > > regards > Julie > > >

Thank you Mike. Arranging place names in 3 columns by the use of commas, is a useful way of sorting out anomalies and errors picked up over the years, especially with less familiar USA place names. But it does mean that the commas then appear in the Focus Window, which I don't like. So I shall have to use the Records Window to remove those commas. If that then reverses the changes made in the Place names columns; so be it. At least I shall have fixed the previous errors and anomalies. I wish though that the corrections could have been speeded up by 'prescriptive text' (if that is the right term) as in the Focus window. Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] Place names in columns > Paddy, > > That is the only way to organise fixed column Place names to sort into > columns. > Inserting extra commas creates the blank field, whether 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. > The 3rd blank field is useful if you want to do a 'Reverse Display Order' > sort on State. > > Although the extra blank/comma appears in the Focus Window and Records > Window, it does not appear in Diagram Boxes or any of the > Individual/Family Reports. > Perhaps a future version of FH would support an option to hide such > blank/comma fields in the Focus Window. > I don't think you want them hidden in the Records Window because that is > where you can edit the Place name. > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paddy > Buckley > Sent: 31 March 2012 15:10 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FHU] Place names in columns > > I am trying to get some consistency in the Place names that I have > recorded at intervals over several years. In Tools>Work with > Data> Places, I have sorted them into 3 columns, corresponding to > Township, County, State (in USA). When there are 3 elements in > each place name, I can sort into columns by the use of commas. But if the > place name has only 2 elements, the first being the > County, the only way I know of locating the County in the middle column is > to put a comma before the place name. This leaves > "blank" in the first column. But then the comma is retained in the Focus > window and in the Records Window. Does anyone know of a > better way of sorting into columns? > > In addition is there an easy way of converting abbreviations for State > (USA) or County (UK) or Chapman Codes into full names? > Paddy Buckley > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Consistency is always the key word. As to county names. As far as Yorkshire is concerned I always add West, East or North Yorkshire. Many simply just put Yorkshire. That alone is not enough as there are similar named places in each part of Yorkshire. For example I was born in Hessle, East Yorkshire. Until I started family search I had no idea there was another Hessle in Yorkshire. The other one is near Wakefield in West Yorkshire. That place is not alone as there are quite a few others. That is why I add either East, West or North as the case maybe. One problem with marriage certificates is that they don't always give the name of the church. It just says 'The Parish Church' YorkshireBMD does give a name (if the certificate is there) West Yorkshire archives (now available on Ancestry) also gives the name of the church but alas not the address. Maybe one can find the address on Genuki (better check that). As time goes by churches move so one can't be sure you have the right address for a church at the time of the marriage. I read only a week ago that a Church in Lincoln was demolished brick by brick and rebuilt at a different location in Lincoln. So to put an address for that church wont be much help. I have used Ancestry Sources a lot for marriages (as well as baptisms) Once I have finished I further edit the multi media details by putting (in the picture line) The name of the church etc and ending 'Parish Register' I do that because that is where the details are from. Maybe that can be done in AS but I have not been able to locate that. I do know the details are added in AS but it does not appear in the media part. Mind you all this could appear in a narrative report which I have not done since I started downloading these details from Ancestry. Victor On 01/04/2012 12:49 PM, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > This advice is consistent with the advice in the FHUG Knowledge Base at > http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=glossary:places > > This also gives the GEDCOM definition for Place and Address fields. > > There may be other evidence than the Marriage Certificate/Parish Register of the Address of a Church or Registry Office. > That evidence can be added as another Source Record with appropriate references, images, etc. > Then that Source Record can be cited by every Fact/Event that takes place at that Church or Registry Office, whether Baptism, > Marriage, Burial, etc. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk > Sent: 01 April 2012 12:11 > To: Laraine Hake; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details > > Hi Marion and Laraine. > > Re your confusion about the Marriage event place and address fields. Just out of curiosity - what did you put in the place and > address field for other events like Occupation or Burial? > > In the marriage event I've just used the town/county name in the place field and the church name eg 'St Peter's Church' in the > address field - or I've added a full address like 'St Peter's Church, High Street' if there is one. I agree that these don't usually > appear on a certificate, but nevertheless that information is pertinent to the event and needs recording. > > Oh dear, unfortunately it seems you'll need to change each one manually. > > Good luck. > > Julie > > >> I'm with you on this one Marion - had exactly the same problem!< > >> Surely I cannot be the only user of this program to have had problems with entering marriage data from certificates? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Marion Woolgar >> Bognor Regis, West Sussex >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message