I have ordered a hard copy book from the retailer who sent my new CD. They said they had run out of stock! They expect more in 7-14 days. Hope they are not going to send me a v4 book as I have this. I will better contact them about this Victor ------Original Message------ From: Mike and Rona Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com ReplyTo: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] family historian v5 Sent: 2 Apr 2012 05:00 Will there be a hard copy book printed with all the changes included I know I could print out this from the programme but it is a bit of a problem Thanks ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

Hi Stewart, I also had this problem - I have a gmail account that is set up to forward everything directly to my email address with my ISP which of course I access through Outlook. FamilyHistorian advised that gmail treats it as spam so it was in my gmail account - I'm not sure how Hotmail is set up and you've probably already checked in it's spam folder. If that's the case, maybe add the FH address to your "Allowed" list in Hotmail and ask them to resend; the email will be from webmasteratcalico-piedotcom Christine. Message: 3 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 20:40:31 +0100 From: "Stewart Harverson" <stewart.harverson@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: [FHU] Missing email to upgrade Family Historian from v4 to v5 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DUB102-ds9ADCDDA2BE9E7FD7F56F0A64F0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Well I admit that I am stuck!! Some 23 hours ago I paid Kagi online to send the V5 download and had a ?thank you for payment? confirmation. All well!

Ha ha John! Well people's ashes are thrown all over the place these days too! Maybe there needs to be a new event for this! >> no-one is buried at their own address are they? lol! Hmm. I keep telling my better half that that's exactly what I do want; buried in the garden, vertically, with a tree planted on top ... Cue for an interesting side-thread? :-) John ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>> no-one is buried at their own address are they? lol! Hmm. I keep telling my better half that that's exactly what I do want; buried in the garden, vertically, with a tree planted on top ... Cue for an interesting side-thread? :-) John

Hi Lesley, <It's interesting reading how everyone uses FH in a way that suits them best.> Yes, that's the brilliant thing about FH, as everyone has their own preferences, but..... sometimes the way you enter details has repercussions, as in the confusion between Place and Address, and which address details are included - its the event address, not the person's home address which should be added - no-one is buried at their own address are they? lol! regards Julie <The 'event' place for a Birth is the home or hospital - not the register office where the birth was registered. This would be a 'registration event'> regards Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I upgraded to V5 this morning and the confirmation email ended up in my trash folder. No idea why. Andrew Braid

Stewart, Make sure the email has not got directed into your spam mail folder. Billy. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stewart Harverson" <stewart.harverson@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:40 PM To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Subject: [FHU] Missing email to upgrade Family Historian from v4 to v5 > Well I admit that I am stuck!! > > Some 23 hours ago I paid Kagi online to send the V5 download and had a > ‘thank you for payment’ confirmation. All well! > > That email said another email would follow entitled "Family Historian 5 > Upgrade" to activate the download. > > Well that happened at 10 pm last night and nothing else was received. > > I have written to ‘Family Historian Support’ (3 times today) and once > directly to Simon Orde. > > I had an automated response from the ‘Family Historian Support’ at 7.30 > this morning stating that the awaited email had been resent. > > Well – it didn’t arrive and although I’ve advised ‘Family Historian > Support’ I am afraid that I am still without V5 ! > > Any ideas anyone? > Thanks > Stewart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> Thanks for the suggestions but nothing received in any folder not even the spam folder!! <<snipped>> Be aware that your ISP may put filtering in place without your knowledge - and even though you've explicitly said "I'll do it all myself because I don't trust you!" Certainly I occasionally get "We've quarantined this message because it's suspect" - I have no objection to that but I _have_ set "NO filtering" on my ISP's mail account so clearly they decided to ignore it for some things. Then again, it may simply be that Calico Pie's (or whoever's) mail server is down. Adrian

Ian See http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=glossary:places The best place to _start_ a glossary is with the GEDCOM Standard (but you probably knew I'd say that). For Place I'll highlight: "PLAC {PLACE}:= "A jurisdictional name to identify the place or location of an event." And for Residence, "RESI {RESIDENCE}:= The act of dwelling at an address for a period of time." Address has multiple bits of which I'll highlight: "ADDRESS_STRUCTURE:= "... "The address structure should be formed as it would appear on a mailing label using the ADDR and ADDR.CONT lines." Just adding my thoughts to what's on that FHUG link: Re Place: That "jurisdictional" bit implies to me that the LDS, when they defined GEDCOM, were thinking towns, cities, states, counties, etc, as these have some sort of quasi-legal / organisational existence. But smaller points that don't have that existence, were not considered - by them - to be places. So "London, England" is a Place because it has a jurisdiction (let's not go down "But what do you mean by London?" right now?) But "Trafalgar Square, London, England" isn't a place in that view because it's not some sort of organisation. The only logical place to put "Trafalgar Square, London, England" (since clearly it can't be lost) is (in some fashion) in the Address. So Place seems to me to be clear at the higher levels - where it gets messy is at the really low levels like hamlet or farm settlement, where different people will have different views on when somewhere is a Place and when it's an Address. (It was for this reason that I proposed BetterGEDCOM have ONE concept of Location.) Going further on Address: GEDCOM has a lot less flaws in it than people think, but this is one. "Clearly" the address is fully detailed in the standard and so the standard thinks it should include the postal town, etc. But, if it's an address of an event, why on earth should it repeat the town from the place? Clearly it shouldn't and the FHUG glossary recommends "Include the house number, street information in the Address and not the Place". However, two things - firstly even like this, the address might contain multiple lines: e.g. "2 Small's Court, Nethergate" for a Dundee address, Nethergate being a street. And secondly, some people might not want to follow the FHUG recommendation but follow the Standard of a fully detailed address. Your choice. Residence - that's a fact, where the known details may _include_ a place and address - I can't see the use of any residence that didn't include a fact, mind! Adrian Bruce <<snipped>> There seems to be some overlap in the Help, the program, the book and FHUG mailings in the use of the terms Address, Place and Residence. Could someone offer glossary entries for these, please? Facts frequently offer text boxes for a place and an address. Is a place "Coketown, Barsetshire, UK", or "St Ebenezer's, Much Binding, Barsetshire"? Is an Address always just "55 Wisteria Lane" - in which case, why does Working with Data > Addresses have three columns.....? (Stands well back....) <<snipped>>

Of course it matters which quarter it is, for numerous reasons! Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: victor@markham.me.uk Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 9:14 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details I never bother with 1Q I just put Mar or June or Sept or Dec who cares what quarter it is. Each to his own Victor Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:03:08 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details Just as matter of interest - why do you use the Date Phrase: "1Q Mar 1894" rather than the standard Quarter Date: Q1 1894 that means the same thing. The Quarter Date is recognised and validated by FH as an actual Date and allows the Event to sorted into its correct Date order position. Whereas a Date Phrase is not recognised as a Date because it is just a text string. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Katrina Hodgson Sent: 01 April 2012 20:36 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details I like to enter 'event' places with the greatest detail that the 'evidence' gives. For example, the GRO index gives 'evidence' of a birth. So I enter the birth place as, for example, "Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire". The full citation from the GRO index is entered in the source. If I later find out more precise info, I'll update the birth place entry, and add the additional source citation. I also have custom events that record registration information. For example, the event BirthReg: date is recorded in quotes "1Q Mar 1894", place (without quotes) Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire. As others have said, there's lots of ways to do things, whatever works best for each of us. Katrina On 1 April 2012 12:33, <JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > The 'event' place for a Birth is the home or hospital - not the register > office where the birth was registered. This would be a 'registration event' > . You can record the registration district in the Source citation for > certificates. I usually put this is in the 'Where within' field - like 'Anytown Registration District', or RD for short, and then Vol 8e Page 333 for instance. > > regards > Julie > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just as matter of interest - why do you use the Date Phrase: "1Q Mar 1894" rather than the standard Quarter Date: Q1 1894 that means the same thing. The Quarter Date is recognised and validated by FH as an actual Date and allows the Event to sorted into its correct Date order position. Whereas a Date Phrase is not recognised as a Date because it is just a text string. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Katrina Hodgson Sent: 01 April 2012 20:36 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details I like to enter 'event' places with the greatest detail that the 'evidence' gives. For example, the GRO index gives 'evidence' of a birth. So I enter the birth place as, for example, "Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire". The full citation from the GRO index is entered in the source. If I later find out more precise info, I'll update the birth place entry, and add the additional source citation. I also have custom events that record registration information. For example, the event BirthReg: date is recorded in quotes "1Q Mar 1894", place (without quotes) Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire. As others have said, there's lots of ways to do things, whatever works best for each of us. Katrina On 1 April 2012 12:33, <JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > The 'event' place for a Birth is the home or hospital - not the register office where the birth was registered. This would be a 'registration event' > . You can record the registration district in the Source citation for certificates. I usually put this is in the 'Where within' field - like 'Anytown Registration District', or RD for short, and then Vol 8e Page 333 for instance. > > regards > Julie >

Thanks for the suggestions but nothing received in any folder not even the spam folder!! Stewart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stewart: I've found that sometimes emails containing links or attachments can fall foul of spam filters even if plain emails from that sender get through - if you haven't already done so, it may be worth checking your spam box. Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Harverson" <stewart.harverson@hotmail.co.uk> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: [FHU] Missing email to upgrade Family Historian from v4 to v5 > Well I admit that I am stuck!! > > Some 23 hours ago I paid Kagi online to send the V5 download and had a > ‘thank you for payment’ confirmation. All well! > > That email said another email would follow entitled "Family Historian 5 > Upgrade" to activate the download. > > Well that happened at 10 pm last night and nothing else was received. > > I have written to ‘Family Historian Support’ (3 times today) and once > directly to Simon Orde. > > I had an automated response from the ‘Family Historian Support’ at 7.30 > this morning stating that the awaited email had been resent. > > Well – it didn’t arrive and although I’ve advised ‘Family Historian > Support’ I am afraid that I am still without V5 ! > > Any ideas anyone? > Thanks > Stewart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 01/04/2012 20:40, Stewart Harverson wrote: > Well I admit that I am stuck!! The missing email is entitled 'Family Historian Order'; the sender is 'Calico Pie'. Do you have any spam filtering in operation; if so, check your Junk folder. Otherwise, no ideas. -- Cheers, Roger

Have you looked in your spam folder? Regards Andrew Andrew J Pye Lovers of Blue & White Steeple Morden ROYSTON Hertfordshire SG8 0RN England Website www.blueandwhite.com Email andrew@blueandwhite.com Telephone >From UK 01763 853 800 >From USA/Canada 011 44 1763 853 800 >From Elsewhere +44 1763 853 800 Facsimile >From UK 01763 853 700 >From USA/Canada 011 44 1763 853 700 >From Elsewhere +44 1763 853 700 -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stewart Harverson Sent: 01 April 2012 20:41 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Missing email to upgrade Family Historian from v4 to v5 - Character set not allowed Well I admit that I am stuck!! Some 23 hours ago I paid Kagi online to send the V5 download and had a ‘thank you for payment’ confirmation. All well! That email said another email would follow entitled "Family Historian 5 Upgrade" to activate the download. Well that happened at 10 pm last night and nothing else was received. I have written to ‘Family Historian Support’ (3 times today) and once directly to Simon Orde. I had an automated response from the ‘Family Historian Support’ at 7.30 this morning stating that the awaited email had been resent. Well – it didn’t arrive and although I’ve advised ‘Family Historian Support’ I am afraid that I am still without V5 ! Any ideas anyone? Thanks Stewart ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well I admit that I am stuck!! Some 23 hours ago I paid Kagi online to send the V5 download and had a ‘thank you for payment’ confirmation. All well! That email said another email would follow entitled "Family Historian 5 Upgrade" to activate the download. Well that happened at 10 pm last night and nothing else was received. I have written to ‘Family Historian Support’ (3 times today) and once directly to Simon Orde. I had an automated response from the ‘Family Historian Support’ at 7.30 this morning stating that the awaited email had been resent. Well – it didn’t arrive and although I’ve advised ‘Family Historian Support’ I am afraid that I am still without V5 ! Any ideas anyone? Thanks Stewart

I never bother with 1Q I just put Mar or June or Sept or Dec who cares what quarter it is. Each to his own Victor Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 21:03:08 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details Just as matter of interest - why do you use the Date Phrase: "1Q Mar 1894" rather than the standard Quarter Date: Q1 1894 that means the same thing. The Quarter Date is recognised and validated by FH as an actual Date and allows the Event to sorted into its correct Date order position. Whereas a Date Phrase is not recognised as a Date because it is just a text string. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Katrina Hodgson Sent: 01 April 2012 20:36 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details I like to enter 'event' places with the greatest detail that the 'evidence' gives. For example, the GRO index gives 'evidence' of a birth. So I enter the birth place as, for example, "Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire". The full citation from the GRO index is entered in the source. If I later find out more precise info, I'll update the birth place entry, and add the additional source citation. I also have custom events that record registration information. For example, the event BirthReg: date is recorded in quotes "1Q Mar 1894", place (without quotes) Wakefield RegDist, Yorkshire. As others have said, there's lots of ways to do things, whatever works best for each of us. Katrina On 1 April 2012 12:33, <JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: > The 'event' place for a Birth is the home or hospital - not the register office where the birth was registered. This would be a 'registration event' > . You can record the registration district in the Source citation for certificates. I usually put this is in the 'Where within' field - like 'Anytown Registration District', or RD for short, and then Vol 8e Page 333 for instance. > > regards > Julie > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's interesting reading how everyone uses FH in a way that suits them best. After briefly dabbling with source/citation method, I found (purely by accident) that I preferred the 'source per event' method. And that's just it, it was what I preferred. I now use that for all new entries because, for me, it lets me work in the way I want. As far as I can see, there is no right or wrong way of doing things, just as long as you get to record everything that wish to. I perceive this flexibility as the great strength of Family Historian; that's not to say that sometimes I don't think " oh heck, maybe I should be doing this such and such a way", but whatever works for you, is right. I know that I still have some old entries that I need to modify, but I try not to fret over them; I make them consistent when I find them. PS I'm loving the new bits of v5 that I have tried :) Lesley -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JulieandMalcolm@kett.fsnet.co.uk Sent: 01 April 2012 19:33 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering Marriage Details Sorry Marion I disagree too. The 'event' place for a Birth is the home or hospital - not the register office where the birth was registered. This would be a 'registration event' . You can record the registration district in the Source citation for certificates. I usually put this is in the 'Where within' field - like 'Anytown Registration District', or RD for short, and then Vol 8e Page 333 for instance. regards Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Marion I disagree too. The 'event' place for a Birth is the home or hospital - not the register office where the birth was registered. This would be a 'registration event' . You can record the registration district in the Source citation for certificates. I usually put this is in the 'Where within' field - like 'Anytown Registration District', or RD for short, and then Vol 8e Page 333 for instance. regards Julie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ian, - because sometimes an address has three lines - for eg Ivy House, Angel Yard, High Street. Then the place for eg being 'Anytown, Hampshire' regards Julie < Is an Address always just "55 Wisteria Lane" - in which case, why does Working with Data > Addresses have three columns.....?> (Stands well back....) Ian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message