Jackie, This may sound odd, but have a look at the Standard Query "Search For Orphans". It is a slight misnomer as it actually shows the Pool number of related family groups. Everyone related directly or via marriage belongs in the same Pool number. In your linked family project I would expect everyone to be in Pool 1, and probably no other Pools at all. In your unlinked project there will no doubt be many small Pools of related family groups. So after you Merge, your large related family will still all be in Pool 1, and all the others in other Pool numbers. Thus it is easy to list the Pool number in the Records Window, display it in the Property Box, and use it to colour Diagram boxes. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Sent: 24 March 2014 08:10 Subject: [FHU] One name I have a surname which I would like to become a one name study. At present I have two project files, those that are directly linked to my family and others that are in,linked. If I combine both files is there a way that I can easy show the difference between the two, i.e. using different colours for instance.

Jackie You could set a flag in the file you "import" to denote the imported individuals (or different flags in both files) and then this could be used in reports / diagrams (ie icons) / record window. The other thing is that the "Merge" does allow the use of a specific source to be added to every record (as per the recent e-mails about the strange source in someone's files). The other thing to consider when starting your one-name file is whether you still want non-surname entries in your one-name file. When I started my one name study, I copied my main all-branch file and then removed everyone whose surname was not the one I wanted unless they married the surname or was descended from someone with that surname. In my case it left about 5% of my original file and made the ONS file more manageable. I think I created a simple query and then used this in split-tree helper. If you've a large number of non-surname entries in both your files, you might want to prune them both before merging them. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: [FHU] One name >I have a surname which I would like to become a one name study. > > At present I have two project files, those that are directly linked to my > family and others that are in,linked. > > If I combine both files is there a way that I can easy show the difference > between the two, i.e. using different colours for instance. > > Appreciate some input before I merge the files. > > Thanks > > Jackie Cotterill > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4336 / Virus Database: 3722/7223 - Release Date: 03/20/14 >

On 24 March 2014 08:09, [email protected] <[email protected]>wrote: > > If I combine both files is there a way that I can easy show the difference > between the two, i.e. using different colours for instance. > Although you can't use colours you can add columns to the record window or on diagrams to show which tree is which, you could use the Custom ID field, or a possibly simpler solution is to using an expression to show Ancestors of a particular progenitor. So for example =IsDescendantOf(%INDI%,Record(246,"I")) will return a Y for every one whose ancestors includes record number 246 (in my case 246 is top of my Taubman Line). You could combine this with some TextIf functions to have a single column for a number of different trees. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

I have a surname which I would like to become a one name study. At present I have two project files, those that are directly linked to my family and others that are in,linked. If I combine both files is there a way that I can easy show the difference between the two, i.e. using different colours for instance.  Appreciate some input before I merge the files. Thanks Jackie Cotterill

Thanks for the replies, which make sense, except for the fact that I have no recollection of ever using the Merge/Compare File command, or indeed of ever having more than one file to merge. Hey ho, as long as it doesn't need feeding I'll leave it where it is. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beryl & Mike Tate Sent: 23 March 2014 16:18 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Strange source Hi Jeff - welcome back. It means that in the past you have used the "File > Merge/Compare File" command and merged "C:\Users\Jeff\Desktop\Jeff Parton.ged" into your Project. Notice that file was on your Desktop at the time and so is not the same as your Project GEDCOM file. Other details in the Source Record may say when this was done, etc, and its Type is probably "File Merge". This Source Record should be cited by/linked to all Records that were affected by the merge. It does no harm to delete it, but it may document where some data came from, and it does no harm to keep it. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Parton Sent: 23 March 2014 14:06 I have been working with FH(4) for some years now, but with long gaps, so I still feel like a beginner. After the latest gap (of several years) I have been refreshing my memory and reviewing the records of every individual. While doing this I have noticed that this source appears frequently: "File (merged): C:\Users\Jeff\Desktop\Jeff Parton.ged". I certainly didn't put it in. Can someone please explain to me what it is and where it comes from? And do I need it as a source - in other words, can I delete it? I realise it's a reference to my GED file, but what does (merged) mean and why is it appearing as a source? Jeff Parton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Jeff - welcome back. It means that in the past you have used the "File > Merge/Compare File" command and merged "C:\Users\Jeff\Desktop\Jeff Parton.ged" into your Project. Notice that file was on your Desktop at the time and so is not the same as your Project GEDCOM file. Other details in the Source Record may say when this was done, etc, and its Type is probably "File Merge". This Source Record should be cited by/linked to all Records that were affected by the merge. It does no harm to delete it, but it may document where some data came from, and it does no harm to keep it. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Parton Sent: 23 March 2014 14:06 I have been working with FH(4) for some years now, but with long gaps, so I still feel like a beginner. After the latest gap (of several years) I have been refreshing my memory and reviewing the records of every individual. While doing this I have noticed that this source appears frequently: "File (merged): C:\Users\Jeff\Desktop\Jeff Parton.ged". I certainly didn't put it in. Can someone please explain to me what it is and where it comes from? And do I need it as a source - in other words, can I delete it? I realise it's a reference to my GED file, but what does (merged) mean and why is it appearing as a source? Jeff Parton

Jeff I think you will find that the source was added when you merge the file "Jeff Partnon.ged" into your own. If you check the source record it should have a date and that will be the date that you merged the file into your main one. Regards John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Parton Sent: 23 March 2014 14:06 To: Family Historian Users Subject: [FHU] Strange source Hello I have been working with FH(4) for some years now, but with long gaps, so I still feel like a beginner. After the latest gap (of several years) I have been refreshing my memory and reviewing the records of every individual. While doing this I have noticed that this source appears frequently: "File (merged): C:\Users\Jeff\Desktop\Jeff Parton.ged". I certainly didn't put it in. Can someone please explain to me what it is and where it comes from? And do I need it as a source - in other words, can I delete it? I realise it's a reference to my GED file, but what does (merged) mean and why is it appearing as a source? Jeff Parton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello I have been working with FH(4) for some years now, but with long gaps, so I still feel like a beginner. After the latest gap (of several years) I have been refreshing my memory and reviewing the records of every individual. While doing this I have noticed that this source appears frequently: "File (merged): C:\Users\Jeff\Desktop\Jeff Parton.ged". I certainly didn't put it in. Can someone please explain to me what it is and where it comes from? And do I need it as a source - in other words, can I delete it? I realise it's a reference to my GED file, but what does (merged) mean and why is it appearing as a source? Jeff Parton --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

On 22 Mar 2014 18:25, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Tony ~ businesses are in a completely different situation. > > Firstly, they often have an IT department that will ensure secure Firewalls > and AV guard against external attack, possibly by routing everything through > a gateway PC running something other than Windows XP. They will also usually > have good automated backup & recovery services. A large amount of business > communication is intranet which does not have the same security risks. > > Secondly, I believe businesses can purchase ongoing Windows XP support from > Microsoft if they really need it. Remember. There's a lot of ATMs out there that still use XP :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Please note this is drifting further off-topic, so if you're not interested in the technicalities of XP, then just delete. > According to the May 2014 issue of PC Pro magazine, they say that such > machines should run a special version, called Windows XP Embedded. > Apparently this is to be supported until at least 2016 - which begs the > question of why the consumer versions are not. A cynic might suggest that it > is easier to convince individuals to change their OS rather than corporate IT > departments! However it also states that many devices - and it does not > specifically refer to ATMs, as there are also machines in the medical and > manufacturing fields - are running a standard version of XP which is then > heavily customised for the purpose of being a locked down, embedded > device. I spent more years than I care to remember building XP-Embedded systems in a previous life. They differ substantially from desktop systems in that all unnecessary components are removed, which immediately removes many vulnerabilities. They also run from a read-only drive, sometimes a solid-state drive, which reverts to the original state upon reset. When building the system all TCP/IP ports are blocked by default, and you have to explicitly open the ones you want to use. This means that most malware doesn't get a look in, and those that do are quickly removed by a reset. The data stored on them is probably of little use, and so there is little incentive for malware writers to target them. XP-Embedded runs in many, many different products. I know of shop tills, home entertainment systems, CCTV systems, and vehicle data loggers that all run XPe produced by my former employer. My home PVR also seems to run it. Graham

Remember. There's a lot of ATMs out there that still use XP :-) -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ According to the May 2014 issue of PC Pro magazine, they say that such machines should run a special version, called Windows XP Embedded. Apparently this is to be supported until at least 2016 - which begs the question of why the consumer versions are not. A cynic might suggest that it is easier to convince individuals to change their OS rather than corporate IT departments! However it also states that many devices - and it does not specifically refer to ATMs, as there are also machines in the medical and manufacturing fields - are running a standard version of XP which is then heavily customised for the purpose of being a locked down, embedded device. Russell

My error, it's installed by default when XP is set up. <grovel> On 22/03/2014 16:25, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Bob said: > "...the firewall component of MSE is better (in a number of labs' opinions) than the AV component." > > Can you explain, as I was unaware of any Firewall component in Microsoft Security Essentials. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > . >

Tony ~ businesses are in a completely different situation. Firstly, they often have an IT department that will ensure secure Firewalls and AV guard against external attack, possibly by routing everything through a gateway PC running something other than Windows XP. They will also usually have good automated backup & recovery services. A large amount of business communication is intranet which does not have the same security risks. Secondly, I believe businesses can purchase ongoing Windows XP support from Microsoft if they really need it. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Proctor Sent: 22 March 2014 15:47 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise The majority of updates may be security fixes Mike but they absolutely do include some reliability fixes too, e.g. some documented feature, action, or option, simply not doing its job. Of course, these are rarer and pretty much have to be show-stoppers in order to get a fix for them... hence the focus on security. I had forgotten about the extended support for MSE etc. There are still some businesses refusing to budge so it'll be interesting to see what happens next. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise > Tony, > > It has been reported that Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) will > continue to be updated on XP for another 15 months. > Also the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool will continue on XP via > Windows Update for another 15 months. > Apparently Microsoft are concerned about being inundated with irate XP > users who catch a virus after April. > > The problem with the lack of XP Windows Updates is nothing to do with > reliability or new features, but plugging its security holes, > and XP has more than the more recent versions of Windows. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony > Proctor > Sent: 22 March 2014 11:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise > > Wise words. There are practical reasons why I cannot migrate - even if I > wanted to (I like XP). Having a good anti-virus and > firewall are essential. > You can rule out MSE now as it won't be updated for XP. > > The main points of contact with dangerous attacks (other than manually > installing something new) are your browser and any email > program. I had to migrate to Firefox recently as IE8 doesn't work with > Google+, and I'm about to migrate from OE to Thunderbird. > Keep the replacements up-to-date and take the normal precautions you > always did with new sites and spurious button-pressing options. > > XP was always quite reliable and so it will continue to work for quite > some time. I can live without flashy new start menus and > anything to so with touch-screens -- it's the applications and the web > sites that are important, not the O/S itself. > > Tony Proctor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Fry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise > > > On 20 Mar 2014 17:27, David Gynes wrote: > >> I am by no stretch of the imagination a computer buff. I have been using >> XP >> since it was launched and now use it for my FH running on Parellels as a >> virtual machine on my Mac and on my Samsung net-boook (NC-10) when out >> and >> about. >> >> Dire warnings keep coming my way about the dangers of continuing to use >> XP >> after April 8th. My Samsung is too old to update to Win 8.1, I'm sure >> and >> a >> new laptop/netbook is not in the budget. > > XP is not going to stop working simply because MS removes support. If you > want > to carry on using XP, then you can. It just won't be updated. > > Neither will Internet Explorer if you're a user of this thing. I would > suggest > that all XP die-hards switch to another browser if they're going to carry > on > using XP. At least that way, any security holes in the browser are likely > to > get > fixed regardless of whether it's on an XP system or not. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bob said: "...the firewall component of MSE is better (in a number of labs' opinions) than the AV component." Can you explain, as I was unaware of any Firewall component in Microsoft Security Essentials. Regards, Mike Tate

The "spurious button-pressing options" I mentioned were in regard to users being invited to download Trojans. With an unfamiliar Web site, a button may execute any amount of script behind the scenes, and depending on your settings they may install software that isn't obviously malware and may not be noticed. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Margolis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise > That's certainly what MS would like you to think so that you are > encouraged to move on. Whether, objectively, it is true is quite another > matter. > My own suggestion would be to ditch MS security stuff in favour of, say, > AVG+ZoneAlarm or Avast+ZoneAlarm (free versions), though the firewall > component of MSE is better (in a number of labs' opinions) than the AV > component. > > Coming back to the original query, if using XP for FH exclusively, there > is very little danger from external nasties *provided* the firewall is > secure. > The only way in to a machine without some sort of action by the user is > via unguarded 'ports' and it is precisely this that firewalls prevent. > If you use a router of some sort, then you've a second firewall between > you and the outside world. > If you use wifi to connect to the router then you *must* use one of the > security systems. Any of the usual providers supply their routers set up > for secure connections, so that should be ok. > > Bob > > ================================quote======================== > The problem with the lack of XP Windows Updates is nothing to do with > reliability or new features, but plugging its security holes, and XP has > more than the more recent versions of Windows. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The majority of updates may be security fixes Mike but they absolutely do include some reliability fixes too, e.g. some documented feature, action, or option, simply not doing its job. Of course, these are rarer and pretty much have to be show-stoppers in order to get a fix for them... hence the focus on security. I had forgotten about the extended support for MSE etc. There are still some businesses refusing to budge so it'll be interesting to see what happens next. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise > Tony, > > It has been reported that Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) will > continue to be updated on XP for another 15 months. > Also the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool will continue on XP via > Windows Update for another 15 months. > Apparently Microsoft are concerned about being inundated with irate XP > users who catch a virus after April. > > The problem with the lack of XP Windows Updates is nothing to do with > reliability or new features, but plugging its security holes, > and XP has more than the more recent versions of Windows. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony > Proctor > Sent: 22 March 2014 11:45 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise > > Wise words. There are practical reasons why I cannot migrate - even if I > wanted to (I like XP). Having a good anti-virus and > firewall are essential. > You can rule out MSE now as it won't be updated for XP. > > The main points of contact with dangerous attacks (other than manually > installing something new) are your browser and any email > program. I had to migrate to Firefox recently as IE8 doesn't work with > Google+, and I'm about to migrate from OE to Thunderbird. > Keep the replacements up-to-date and take the normal precautions you > always did with new sites and spurious button-pressing options. > > XP was always quite reliable and so it will continue to work for quite > some time. I can live without flashy new start menus and > anything to so with touch-screens -- it's the applications and the web > sites that are important, not the O/S itself. > > Tony Proctor > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Fry" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:47 PM > Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise > > > On 20 Mar 2014 17:27, David Gynes wrote: > >> I am by no stretch of the imagination a computer buff. I have been using >> XP >> since it was launched and now use it for my FH running on Parellels as a >> virtual machine on my Mac and on my Samsung net-boook (NC-10) when out >> and >> about. >> >> Dire warnings keep coming my way about the dangers of continuing to use >> XP >> after April 8th. My Samsung is too old to update to Win 8.1, I'm sure >> and >> a >> new laptop/netbook is not in the budget. > > XP is not going to stop working simply because MS removes support. If you > want > to carry on using XP, then you can. It just won't be updated. > > Neither will Internet Explorer if you're a user of this thing. I would > suggest > that all XP die-hards switch to another browser if they're going to carry > on > using XP. At least that way, any security holes in the browser are likely > to > get > fixed regardless of whether it's on an XP system or not. > > -- > Regards, > Mike Fry > Johannesburg > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's certainly what MS would like you to think so that you are encouraged to move on. Whether, objectively, it is true is quite another matter. My own suggestion would be to ditch MS security stuff in favour of, say, AVG+ZoneAlarm or Avast+ZoneAlarm (free versions), though the firewall component of MSE is better (in a number of labs' opinions) than the AV component. Coming back to the original query, if using XP for FH exclusively, there is very little danger from external nasties *provided* the firewall is secure. The only way in to a machine without some sort of action by the user is via unguarded 'ports' and it is precisely this that firewalls prevent. If you use a router of some sort, then you've a second firewall between you and the outside world. If you use wifi to connect to the router then you *must* use one of the security systems. Any of the usual providers supply their routers set up for secure connections, so that should be ok. Bob ================================quote======================== The problem with the lack of XP Windows Updates is nothing to do with reliability or new features, but plugging its security holes, and XP has more than the more recent versions of Windows.

Thank you Mike for pointing me in the right direction, working great on both computers, I appreciate your feedback, you are a gent. Kind regards John

Tony, It has been reported that Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) will continue to be updated on XP for another 15 months. Also the monthly Malicious Software Removal Tool will continue on XP via Windows Update for another 15 months. Apparently Microsoft are concerned about being inundated with irate XP users who catch a virus after April. The problem with the lack of XP Windows Updates is nothing to do with reliability or new features, but plugging its security holes, and XP has more than the more recent versions of Windows. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tony Proctor Sent: 22 March 2014 11:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise Wise words. There are practical reasons why I cannot migrate - even if I wanted to (I like XP). Having a good anti-virus and firewall are essential. You can rule out MSE now as it won't be updated for XP. The main points of contact with dangerous attacks (other than manually installing something new) are your browser and any email program. I had to migrate to Firefox recently as IE8 doesn't work with Google+, and I'm about to migrate from OE to Thunderbird. Keep the replacements up-to-date and take the normal precautions you always did with new sites and spurious button-pressing options. XP was always quite reliable and so it will continue to work for quite some time. I can live without flashy new start menus and anything to so with touch-screens -- it's the applications and the web sites that are important, not the O/S itself. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise On 20 Mar 2014 17:27, David Gynes wrote: > I am by no stretch of the imagination a computer buff. I have been using > XP > since it was launched and now use it for my FH running on Parellels as a > virtual machine on my Mac and on my Samsung net-boook (NC-10) when out > and > about. > > Dire warnings keep coming my way about the dangers of continuing to use XP > after April 8th. My Samsung is too old to update to Win 8.1, I'm sure and > a > new laptop/netbook is not in the budget. XP is not going to stop working simply because MS removes support. If you want to carry on using XP, then you can. It just won't be updated. Neither will Internet Explorer if you're a user of this thing. I would suggest that all XP die-hards switch to another browser if they're going to carry on using XP. At least that way, any security holes in the browser are likely to get fixed regardless of whether it's on an XP system or not. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wise words. There are practical reasons why I cannot migrate - even if I wanted to (I like XP). Having a good anti-virus and firewall are essential. You can rule out MSE now as it won't be updated for XP. The main points of contact with dangerous attacks (other than manually installing something new) are your browser and any email program. I had to migrate to Firefox recently as IE8 doesn't work with Google+, and I'm about to migrate from OE to Thunderbird. Keep the replacements up-to-date and take the normal precautions you always did with new sites and spurious button-pressing options. XP was always quite reliable and so it will continue to work for quite some time. I can live without flashy new start menus and anything to so with touch-screens -- it's the applications and the web sites that are important, not the O/S itself. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] XP's demise On 20 Mar 2014 17:27, David Gynes wrote: > I am by no stretch of the imagination a computer buff. I have been using > XP > since it was launched and now use it for my FH running on Parellels as a > virtual machine on my Mac and on my Samsung net-boook (NC-10) when out > and > about. > > Dire warnings keep coming my way about the dangers of continuing to use XP > after April 8th. My Samsung is too old to update to Win 8.1, I’m sure and > a > new laptop/netbook is not in the budget. XP is not going to stop working simply because MS removes support. If you want to carry on using XP, then you can. It just won't be updated. Neither will Internet Explorer if you're a user of this thing. I would suggest that all XP die-hards switch to another browser if they're going to carry on using XP. At least that way, any security holes in the browser are likely to get fixed regardless of whether it's on an XP system or not. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message