I would like to import a FTM2012 file into FH. However I don't want another copy of all the media in the Project file. Can anyone advise how how to import and leave all the media tags in place? Thanks, Tony (New User!)

On 24 April 2014 00:32, Pedro <[email protected]> wrote: > If I got it right, it seems > like FH automatically uses any added media as portraits. > On the media tab select the picture and use the Edit button and tick the box to exclude the image from Diagrams. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

I have started including all my media pictures to Family historian. Some pictures show people and are nice to have them being presented as portraits in the software as well as in the family trees. However, other medias I add are just pictures of places, maps, etc. and I do want them to be shown as people portraits. If I got it right, it seems like FH automatically uses any added media as portraits. My doubt. How to avoid this? Is there any practical way? Pedro

I have added an "All Empty Facts" Query to the FHUG Knowledge Base downloads: http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=fhugdownloads:contents:query_all_empty_facts Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorna Craig Sent: 21 April 2014 20:09 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Phantom deaths. How to prevent/remove? Thanks Mike. The Sentence filter now works. Also glad to know that things can't be linked to non-existent citations. That was beginning to tie my brain in knots! Lorna On 21/04/2014 18:56, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Lorna, > > Sorry, that is typo on my part, an underscore is missing, so it should be: > =IsTrue(%FACT._SENT% = "") > > I've even confused myself about items subordinate to a Fact. > > =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR2% = "") is a special Citation structure called a > Source Note that is allowed independently of Source Record links. > > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE% = "") is a link to a Multimedia Record directly from the Fact (not the Citation). > > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE2% = "") is a Local Multimedia item attached directly to the Fact. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mike. The Sentence filter now works. Also glad to know that things can't be linked to non-existent citations. That was beginning to tie my brain in knots! Lorna On 21/04/2014 18:56, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Lorna, > > Sorry, that is typo on my part, an underscore is missing, so it should be: > =IsTrue(%FACT._SENT% = "") > > I've even confused myself about items subordinate to a Fact. > > =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR2% = "") is a special Citation structure called a Source Note that is allowed independently of Source Record > links. > > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE% = "") is a link to a Multimedia Record directly from the Fact (not the Citation). > > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE2% = "") is a Local Multimedia item attached directly to the Fact. >

Trevor, FH never deletes such empty Facts because that was requested by a number of users. In the case of a Death Event, the implication is that it is known that an Individual died but not where or when, etc. Eventually you will find that the GEDCOM becomes "1 DEAT Y" which means Death confirmed Yes, but with no other details, so do not purge this tag. Yes, if you really need to remove the Fact it must be deleted via the All tab or the Records Window. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Trevor Rix Sent: 21 April 2014 17:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Phantom deaths. How to prevent/remove? This may have nothing to do with the original question, but if I give a person a date of death, then delete the date of death, the All tab in the Property Box still has a blank field "Died" which in turn is displayed in diagrams. Looking at the GEDCOM there is a "1 DEAT" for that person. I can delete the "Died" field in the All tab which in turn deletes the "1 DEAT" from the GEDCOM. I am therefore wondering if Family Historian should automatically remove the blank "Died" field when the death date is deleted? Trevor Rix

Lorna, Sorry, that is typo on my part, an underscore is missing, so it should be: =IsTrue(%FACT._SENT% = "") I've even confused myself about items subordinate to a Fact. =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR2% = "") is a special Citation structure called a Source Note that is allowed independently of Source Record links. =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE% = "") is a link to a Multimedia Record directly from the Fact (not the Citation). =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE2% = "") is a Local Multimedia item attached directly to the Fact. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorna Craig Sent: 21 April 2014 17:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Phantom deaths. How to prevent/remove? OK, I was just trying to find an explanation for the fact that the last filter doesn't seem to work. If I copy and paste =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") into the Expression field on the Rows tab, the Operator field has no options and the Add button is disabled. What have I missed? The Gedcom structure is indeed mysterious, as you say, if it is possible to link something to a citation when there is no linked Source record! What does the citation refer to, if not to a Source? :-\ On 21/04/2014 17:27, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Hi Lorna, > > I know it is a bit convoluted, but you have the logic back to front. > > The last filter is saying Exclude unless =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") is > true i.e. > Keep the Fact in the Result Set if it has NO custom Sentence, which is the normal case. > But if it has a non-standard customised Sentence (not a blank one) then we must not delete the Fact, so exclude it from Result Set. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, I was just trying to find an explanation for the fact that the last filter doesn't seem to work. If I copy and paste =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") into the Expression field on the Rows tab, the Operator field has no options and the Add button is disabled. What have I missed? The Gedcom structure is indeed mysterious, as you say, if it is possible to link something to a citation when there is no linked Source record! What does the citation refer to, if not to a Source? :-\ On 21/04/2014 17:27, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Hi Lorna, > > I know it is a bit convoluted, but you have the logic back to front. > > The last filter is saying Exclude unless =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") is true > i.e. > Keep the Fact in the Result Set if it has NO custom Sentence, which is the normal case. > But if it has a non-standard customised Sentence (not a blank one) then we must not delete the Fact, so exclude it from Result Set. >

This may have nothing to do with the original question, but if I give a person a date of death, then delete the date of death, the All tab in the Property Box still has a blank field "Died" which in turn is displayed in diagrams. Looking at the GEDCOM there is a "1 DEAT" for that person. I can delete the "Died" field in the All tab which in turn deletes the "1 DEAT" from the GEDCOM. I am therefore wondering if Family Historian should automatically remove the blank "Died" field when the death date is deleted? Trevor Rix

Hi Lorna, I know it is a bit convoluted, but you have the logic back to front. The last filter is saying Exclude unless =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") is true i.e. Keep the Fact in the Result Set if it has NO custom Sentence, which is the normal case. But if it has a non-standard customised Sentence (not a blank one) then we must not delete the Fact, so exclude it from Result Set. The second and third lines are needed because it possible to add Notes and Multimedia to Citations even when there is no linked Source Record. Such are the mysterious ways of GEDCOM structures. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorna Craig Sent: 21 April 2014 16:27 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Phantom deaths. How to prevent/remove? Thanks Mike. The last filter in your list doesn't seem to work, but I don't think it is needed. I don't think it is possible to create a blank custom sentence (if you try, it reverts to the default sentence). I am also a bit confused about the second and third lines in the list below. How would it be possible to have a Note or Multimedia attached to a Source citation when you have already excluded all facts with Source citations? However, these refinements go well beyond what is needed to find most instances of 'empty' facts, so I am hapy with the query as it stands. Thanks again Lorna On 21/04/2014 15:34, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Lorna, > You are correct, but to be pedantic there are several other cases that need to be covered too. > =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR% = "") for Source Citation and most associated fields > =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR2% = "") for Note attached to Citation > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE% = "") for Multimedia attached to Citation > =IsTrue(%FACT.TYPE% = "") for Fact Descriptor > =IsTrue(%FACT.PHON% = "") for Fact Phone No > =IsTrue(%FACT._EMAIL % = "") for Fact E-mail Addr > =IsTrue(%FACT._WEB% = "") for Fact Website > =IsTrue(%FACT.AGNC% = "") for Fact Responsible Agency > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE2% = "") for Fact Local Multimedia > =IsTrue(%FACT.NOTE% = "") for Fact linked Note Record > =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") for Fact custom Sentence > > I have added all these to the KB posting. > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mike. The last filter in your list doesn't seem to work, but I don't think it is needed. I don't think it is possible to create a blank custom sentence (if you try, it reverts to the default sentence). I am also a bit confused about the second and third lines in the list below. How would it be possible to have a Note or Multimedia attached to a Source citation when you have already excluded all facts with Source citations? However, these refinements go well beyond what is needed to find most instances of 'empty' facts, so I am hapy with the query as it stands. Thanks again Lorna On 21/04/2014 15:34, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Lorna, > You are correct, but to be pedantic there are several other cases that need to be covered too. > =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR% = "") for Source Citation and most associated fields > =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR2% = "") for Note attached to Citation > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE% = "") for Multimedia attached to Citation > =IsTrue(%FACT.TYPE% = "") for Fact Descriptor > =IsTrue(%FACT.PHON% = "") for Fact Phone No > =IsTrue(%FACT._EMAIL % = "") for Fact E-mail Addr > =IsTrue(%FACT._WEB% = "") for Fact Website > =IsTrue(%FACT.AGNC% = "") for Fact Responsible Agency > =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE2% = "") for Fact Local Multimedia > =IsTrue(%FACT.NOTE% = "") for Fact linked Note Record > =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") for Fact custom Sentence > > I have added all these to the KB posting. >

Lorna, You are correct, but to be pedantic there are several other cases that need to be covered too. =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR% = "") for Source Citation and most associated fields =IsTrue(%FACT.SOUR2% = "") for Note attached to Citation =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE% = "") for Multimedia attached to Citation =IsTrue(%FACT.TYPE% = "") for Fact Descriptor =IsTrue(%FACT.PHON% = "") for Fact Phone No =IsTrue(%FACT._EMAIL % = "") for Fact E-mail Addr =IsTrue(%FACT._WEB% = "") for Fact Website =IsTrue(%FACT.AGNC% = "") for Fact Responsible Agency =IsTrue(%FACT.OBJE2% = "") for Fact Local Multimedia =IsTrue(%FACT.NOTE% = "") for Fact linked Note Record =IsTrue(%FACT.SENT% = "") for Fact custom Sentence I have added all these to the KB posting. Perhaps a KB Download Fact Query is worth adding. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lorna Craig Sent: 21 April 2014 14:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Phantom deaths. How to prevent/remove? Mike, Your query is very useful, thanks. However I think there is one scenario it doesn't cover: In a very small number of cases I have an event with no data in subsidiary fields but there is a Source citation. Admittedly it was an oversight that no note or 'before...' date had been entered. It might be safest if the query could check for the existence of any Source citation. If someone is using the query to do a global delete of a large number of 'empty' deaths, for example, they would not want to delete a death event for which they did have a Source. Lorna On 21/04/2014 11:24, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > It simply needs a Death Event to be added without any details, or the details to be later deleted leaving just a blank Death Event. > > However, I know of no way of detecting the 'Y' using a Query, other than by testing that all subsidiary fields are empty. > This is what the Query does referred to by Andrew Braid. > A more specific link is: > http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11130#p52060

Mike, Your query is very useful, thanks. However I think there is one scenario it doesn't cover: In a very small number of cases I have an event with no data in subsidiary fields but there is a Source citation. Admittedly it was an oversight that no note or 'before...' date had been entered. It might be safest if the query could check for the existence of any Source citation. If someone is using the query to do a global delete of a large number of 'empty' deaths, for example, they would not want to delete a death event for which they did have a Source. Lorna On 21/04/2014 11:24, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > It simply needs a Death Event to be added without any details, or the details to be later deleted leaving just a blank Death Event. > > However, I know of no way of detecting the 'Y' using a Query, other than by testing that all subsidiary fields are empty. > This is what the Query does referred to by Andrew Braid. > A more specific link is: > http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11130#p52060

<<snipped>> That problem should be reported to Ancestry because they are misinterpreting the GEDCOM according to its specification. The 'Y' after the DEAT tag is nothing to do with the PLAC or ADDR subordinate tags. <<snipped>> As I recollect, it was reported to Ancestry - though I am a lot rusty on where and when it popped up. As I don't have any such records - well, I don't *think* I have any! - I can't check its current state or provide a specific instance for programmers to work with. However, since Ancestry's adherence to the GEDCOM spec'n is a case of "It fits where it touches", I suspect any fix would simply go into a large pending tray. Nor are they any different from the majority of software suppliers... Adrian

Adrian, That problem should be reported to Ancestry because they are misinterpreting the GEDCOM according to its specification. The 'Y' after the DEAT tag is nothing to do with the PLAC or ADDR subordinate tags. The 'Y' is simply an assertion that 'Y'es the person has died, but no details of Date or Place are known. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce Sent: 21 April 2014 10:59 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Phantom deaths. How to prevent/remove? <<snipped>> The appropriate line in gedcom contains: "1 DEAT Y" <<snipped>> As an aside, this really fouls up the online trees on Ancestry as "Y" is a place in France (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y,_Somme ) and many (all?) these people are shown as having died in France. Adrian

Much as I hate to disagree with Jane, but FH does create that 1 DEAT Y format. It is part of the GEDCOM specification Pages 31 & 32 that requires the 'Y', if there is no DATE or PLAC field, to prevent the DEAT fact from being pruned. It simply needs a Death Event to be added without any details, or the details to be later deleted leaving just a blank Death Event. However, I know of no way of detecting the 'Y' using a Query, other than by testing that all subsidiary fields are empty. This is what the Query does referred to by Andrew Braid. A more specific link is: http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11130#p52060 Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jane Taubman Sent: 21 April 2014 09:51 To: family-historian-users Subject: Re: [FHU] Phantom deaths. How to prevent/remove? On 21 April 2014 07:44, Dave Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Looking further, I find that I have over 1000 of these. > Family Historian will not have put those in so I suspect they have come from an earlier program you have used. On you query Columns tab add a column for Death and then on the Rows tab a column to do the death date file contains text 'Y' Then just select the Death column on the results and press the delete key. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> The appropriate line in gedcom contains: "1 DEAT Y" <<snipped>> As an aside, this really fouls up the online trees on Ancestry as "Y" is a place in France (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y,_Somme ) and many (all?) these people are shown as having died in France. Adrian

Dave I also use FH/TNG and have seen this in the past. My conclusion was that it had been created on export from Legacy software. For a while I was using Legacy import/export as the easiest route to creating a GEDCOM with only "basic" BMD data*, but perhaps could also be added via an imported twig from someone else? That wasn't the case with mine, as I do not add other people's GEDCOMs as such. *still do when required, but the data don't go to TNG. Sorry, can't help with removal. Kath http://www.klweb.me.uk On 21/04/2014 07:44, Dave Foster wrote: > I use FH as my main repository for family history data. However, this data is sent to TNG to display on my own web site. > > This week I received an email from a cousin saying that she was surprised to find that in her record on TNG, there is a "Died" event which states "Yes, date unknown". >

On 21 April 2014 07:44, Dave Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > > Looking further, I find that I have over 1000 of these. > Family Historian will not have put those in so I suspect they have come from an earlier program you have used. On you query Columns tab add a column for Death and then on the Rows tab a column to do the death date file contains text 'Y' Then just select the Death column on the results and press the delete key. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

On 21 Apr 2014 09:15, Martin Allen wrote: > Isn't the answer to remove them from the GEDCOM with a global delete? Yes. But that treats the symptoms, not the cause. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg