John, In FH use "File > Backup/Restore > Small Backup" just in case. In FH use "Tools > Plugins > Plugin Store" and download the "Search and Replace" Plugin from the Featured Plugins. >From the "Tools > Plugins" window you can select and "Run" this Plugin. On its "Major Options" tab enter the following: (use Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V to copy & paste the rather cryptic Search/Replace boxes to avoid typing mistakes, but do not include the newline character). In the "Search" box enter: ^([^,]*), ([^,]*), ([^,]*)$ In the "Replace" box enter: %3, %2, %1 Select the "LUA Pattern Mode" Untick all check boxes except "Fact Place fields" Click the green "Search & Replace" button. In the new window check the "Current Value" and "Replacement Value" and if OK click "Replace" otherwise click "Cancel" and ask for advice. Once a few appear OK then untick "Confirm every item found" and click "Replace" again to change all 3 column Place fields. To change the 4 column Place fields repeat the process with Search and Replace as follows: ^([^,]*), ([^,]*), ([^,]*), ([^,]*)$ %4, %3, %2, %1 In the FHUG there is a custom Plugin to resolve your Place field sorting problems. See you there. Regards, Mike Tate From: John Bradburn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 31 July 2014 14:28 Mike, I didn't realise that you were being good enough to help me right now! My place names have a maximum of four columns or "Parts". Of the 220 names I have, only six extend to four columns, three occupy one column as they are unresolved and all the rest are of three columns which is the standard I try to stick to. At the moment I don't see needing to go beyond four even when I begin to use US places. Although I am reasonably IT literate, I have not yet used FH plug-ins, so if you are going to suggest that route, I would need pointing to some detailed instructions for how to implement a plug-in in FH5. My OS is Windows 7, and, for your information, I use Symantec Norton 360 in case it may interfere with the process. Regards, John. From: Beryl and Mike Tate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 July 2014 6:20 PM I say again John, do NOT waste hours reversing your Place fields by hand. Use the "Search and Replace" plugin and do it in minutes. But to help you with the options I need to know how many columns all your Place fields contain. Regards, Mike Tate From: John Bradburn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 July 2014 14:18 Mike, Thanks for this useful reply and it is good to know that there are plans in place to make things easier on this front in future. I did look through the "Getting the most from FH5" book and had a brief look at FHUG but couldn't spot anything on the subject. Whilst I am fairly numerate, I am not a coder and the conversation you had with Jim Orrell from your link below leaves my mind reeling but does suggest that FH5 has capabilities way beyond anything I can get involved in - and that you are immensely knowledgeable in it. It looks as though I have another three hours session ahead of me to reverse the sequences back to the original ones. I will contact you separately about the plug-in for the method of sorting which you advise, if that is OK. I am afraid that you will see my name again shortly as I have another question connected with Record IDs. I will join FHUG as you suggest. Regards, John Bradburn.

John, As you are discovering, reversing the column order in Place fields has many undesirable side effects. There are better solutions. You could have saved yourself hours by using the existing "Search and Replace" plugin to alter the Place fields. Calico Pie understands the problems of manipulating Place columns, especially when there are more than three. They already have plans to allow each column to be accessed separately, which would solve your sorting problem. In the mean time, I advise that you return to the standard order of Place columns, and use another method for sorting. This involves copying each Place column to a separate line in its associated Note field. Then the =GetParagraph() function can be used in Queries, Diagrams, etc to extract and sort any column. The method to copy the Place columns to Note lines is to use a plugin that I would happily write for you. This topic has been discussed at length in the FHUG Forums. See http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40 <http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=11246> &t=11246 I would recommend you join FHUG http://www.fhug.org.uk/ for free and it will make further discussions, the download of the plugin, and other issues much easier to progress. Regards, Mike Tate _____ From: John Bradburn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 July 2014 10:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Inverting "Places" order Mike, Many thanks for your helpful reply on my problem with "village, county, country" order. Although I have written one or two very useful queries in FH5 for my study, I don't feel qualified to write plug-ins, so I set to and manually reversed the sequence of each of the 220 places I currently have and this took only two or three hours. While in the middle of doing it, I thought about the issue you raised of possible future geo-plotting and more importantly I realised that I have lost the very time saving feature of auto-completion of place names as I type them in - or at least I will now have to type in country and county every time as well as part of the village name before getting auto completion. The positive thing is that I can now get proper sorting by, for example, place of baptism, place of marriage and place of burial in the vital queries I use all the time. Perhaps I should apply for a feature to be added to a future release of FH to allow reversing of place names at will, but I am unsure of how to go about this. Thanks again and regards, John Bradburn. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi John, Firstly, if at all possible, I would advise retaining the current "village, county, country" order, because if you ever wanted to use any auto-plotting tools I believe they will have a problem with the reversed order. Also the Place qualifiers SHORT / MEDIUM / TIDY / FULL are disrupted. I suggest you devise a scheme of columns (up to 10 are supported) that caters for your expected counties and countries, but beware the Place qualifiers only really cater for three columns. Don't worry about sometimes having Place columns with blank entries as these are automatically handled in reports & diagrams. To adjust your existing Place fields, use the "Search and Replace" Plugin. It can be set to only examine Place fields and automatically add the extra comma separators. If you still want to reverse the columns, then it can do that too. Once you have decided on a scheme of columns, then post again for advice on using "Search and Replace" because you may need to use the "LUA Pattern Mode" which needs expect advice. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Bradburn via Sent: 29 July 2014 11:48 To: [email protected] Subject: [FHU] Inverting "Places" order I am using FH5 as the repository for my One-name study and so far I have entered some 2000 records of christenings, marriages and burials from the Parish Registers of Cheshire England. Although I have been careful to be rigorous in comma separating the parts of all the place names I have used, I have belatedly realised that using a "village, county, country" format will give me big sorting problems when I add records from other counties and other countries. After kicking myself, I am now looking for the best way to reverse the sequence of all 223 places names so far used so that I have "country, county, village". The Place List helper box has a tick box at the bottom right which does the whole job for me in one tick, but this does not affect the sequence in the main database. The great majority of my place names are three elements long but a few have four comma-separated elements where village names are duplicated within a county. The highest usage of any one place name is 320. Can anyone suggest a quicker method of reversing all the place names than going through this Place List helper and reversing each of the 223 place names manually one at a time? Thanks for any help you can give, John Bradburn ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 29 July 2014 11:47, John Bradburn via < [email protected]> wrote: > After kicking myself, I am now looking for the best way to > reverse the sequence of all 223 places names so far used so that I have > "country, county, village". > John you could write a plugin to do this and "flip" the places, however, personally I would not go down that route, if you are looking to filter and sort by country, this could be done using the Contains option in queries. From Work with Places you can use the Reverse Display Order which will flip your places when working with Work With Places. A final option, might be to use the place hierarchy field and populate it with the reversed place name information. You could write a plugin easily to write it out and then use it in queries when you needed it. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

I am using FH5 as the repository for my One-name study and so far I have entered some 2000 records of christenings, marriages and burials from the Parish Registers of Cheshire England. Although I have been careful to be rigorous in comma separating the parts of all the place names I have used, I have belatedly realised that using a "village, county, country" format will give me big sorting problems when I add records from other counties and other countries. After kicking myself, I am now looking for the best way to reverse the sequence of all 223 places names so far used so that I have "country, county, village". The Place List helper box has a tick box at the bottom right which does the whole job for me in one tick, but this does not affect the sequence in the main database. The great majority of my place names are three elements long but a few have four comma-separated elements where village names are duplicated within a county. The highest usage of any one place name is 320. Can anyone suggest a quicker method of reversing all the place names than going through this Place List helper and reversing each of the 223 place names manually one at a time? Thanks for any help you can give, John Bradburn

Thanks to Eric and Mike for their advice!

Hello Jacqui, That sort of advice is available free from the FHUG http://www.fhug.org.uk/ where membership is free. http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:import_from_ancestry I advise you join the FHUG and review how to import the GEDCOM into a Family Historian Project. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jacqui Kenton via Sent: 27 July 2014 14:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [FHU] Gedcom Hello! Advice needed. Can I export a file via Gedcom from Ancestry to Family Historian? And if so would some kind soul tell me how? Thanks!

Hello! Advice needed. Can I export a file via Gedcom from Ancestry to Family Historian? And if so would some kind soul tell me how? Thanks!

Not exactly a scientific piece of market research, but the popularity of the Mac amongst genealogists might be gauged from the SoG half day course "Family History on the Mac” being sold out very quickly. However, I find FH runs so well under V-Box on my Mac that I am not too fussed about having a Mac version. An added benefit of the Mac is their virtual screen ‘Spaces’ feature which allows me to run FH on one screen and have all my supporting documents or web browser open on another, switching from one to the other with ease. No partitions or other hardware/software complications, for the less technically inclined to get into difficulty with. Barry Hepburn On 18 Jul 2014, at 18:56, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Future Mac version? (GARDNER KAREN) > 2. Re: Future Mac version? (John Payne) > 3. Re: Future Mac version? (Jane Taubman) > 4. Re: Future Mac version? (GARDNER KAREN) > 5. Re: Future Mac version? (Andrew Jolly) > 6. Re: Future Mac version? (GARDNER KAREN) > 7. Re: Future Mac version? (Leslie Brown) > 8. Re: Future Mac version? (Karen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2014 15:36:43 +0100 > From: GARDNER KAREN <[email protected]> > Subject: [FHU] Future Mac version? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Afternoon, > > I know this has been asked before, and I apologise for asking again, but I > wandered if there are any future plans for a Mac version? I am getting > increasingly frustrated with running parallels on my mac and various > computer glitches that I am seriously looking at getting Mac specific > software and taking out the partition. > I dont want to lose the features of FH, but my sanity is struggling a bit. > > Thank you (and sorry for asking again) > Karen > > >

Karen, On the All tab, once you have added the Associated person, click the [+] next to 'Associated person' and the 'Relationship' field is revealed. As David says, this is easier with the 'Assoc' custom Property Box tab. To install the Plugin just click on the 'Create a 2-way Association.fh_lua' ATTACHMENT and open with FH. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Newton via Sent: 22 July 2014 08:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Associated People Karen If you wish to make regular use of Associated people I recommend that you download and install Mike Tate's customized Property box tab http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=fhugdownloads:contents:property_box_tabs_associated_persons Installation instructions are on the same page. Once this is installed then focus your first individual, select the Assoc tab and add your associated people by clicking the icon on the right of the association box and choose Select Individual. This gives you a Select Individual dialog from which you can choose the second person in the association. Then you can add a description of the relationship and a Local Note. Once you have set up the Association one way then click the right hand icon and choose Go to Individual Record. This changes the property box (not the focus window) to the person you have just associated and allows the insertion of the reverse association in the same way. The plugin that I posted is very simple (and unnecessary unless you are lazy!) but allows the two way association to be set up by selecting the two people and adding the two descriptions side-by-side. David On 21/07/2014 17:26, GARDNER KAREN via wrote: > I have tried the 'Associated people' on the all tab, and doesn't seem helpful at all unfortunately. > It doesn't say what the association between the 2 people is and it doesn't copy onto the person you link with, so you effectively have to add the association to both people. > > Also, I can't find what I need to do with the code on the discussion, or an associated plugin. > > Karen >

Karen If you wish to make regular use of Associated people I recommend that you download and install Mike Tate's customized Property box tab http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=fhugdownloads:contents:property_box_tabs_associated_persons Installation instructions are on the same page. Once this is installed then focus your first individual, select the Assoc tab and add your associated people by clicking the icon on the right of the association box and choose Select Individual. This gives you a Select Individual dialog from which you can choose the second person in the association. Then you can add a description of the relationship and a Local Note. Once you have set up the Association one way then click the right hand icon and choose Go to Individual Record. This changes the property box (not the focus window) to the person you have just associated and allows the insertion of the reverse association in the same way. The plugin that I posted is very simple (and unnecessary unless you are lazy!) but allows the two way association to be set up by selecting the two people and adding the two descriptions side-by-side. David On 21/07/2014 17:26, GARDNER KAREN via wrote: > I have tried the 'Associated people' on the all tab, and doesn't seem > helpful at all unfortunately. > It doesn't say what the association between the 2 people is and it doesn't > copy onto the person you link with, so you effectively have to add the > association to both people. > > Also, I can't find what I need to do with the code on the discussion, or an > associated plugin. > > Karen > > > On 21 July 2014 16:45, Jane Taubman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 21 July 2014 15:00, GARDNER KAREN via < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> There was a section called 'Associated People' where you could easily link >>> people in other ways - godparents, witnesses for marriage / death etc etc. >>> ( I am sure in the past for godparents I have had to add an event / >>> attribute to the godparent, but it didnt link through to the child etc) >>> >> You can add Associated People in FH, you just need to use the All tab, or >> the new Plugin recently posted on FHUG >> >> http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11338&p=53740 >> >> >> -- >> Jane. >> >> Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

ASSOciated people is a standard GEDCOM structure supported by all recent versions of FH. There is also a customised Property Box tab for ASSOciations in the FHUG KB Downloads. Furthermore, Ancestral Sources now supports ASSOciations for godparents, witnesses, etc. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen via Sent: 21 July 2014 17:08 To: Jane Taubman Cc: family-historian-users Subject: Re: [FHU] Associated People Thanks Jane, I will take a look. Sent from my iPad > On 21 Jul 2014, at 16:45, Jane Taubman <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 21 July 2014 15:00, GARDNER KAREN via <[email protected]> wrote: >> There was a section called 'Associated People' where you could easily >> link people in other ways - godparents, witnesses for marriage / death etc etc. >> ( I am sure in the past for godparents I have had to add an event / >> attribute to the godparent, but it didnt link through to the child >> etc) > > You can add Associated People in FH, you just need to use the All tab, > or the new Plugin recently posted on FHUG > > http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11338&p=53740 > > > -- > Jane. >

I have tried the 'Associated people' on the all tab, and doesn't seem helpful at all unfortunately. It doesn't say what the association between the 2 people is and it doesn't copy onto the person you link with, so you effectively have to add the association to both people. Also, I can't find what I need to do with the code on the discussion, or an associated plugin. Karen On 21 July 2014 16:45, Jane Taubman <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 21 July 2014 15:00, GARDNER KAREN via < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> There was a section called 'Associated People' where you could easily link >> people in other ways - godparents, witnesses for marriage / death etc etc. >> ( I am sure in the past for godparents I have had to add an event / >> attribute to the godparent, but it didnt link through to the child etc) >> > > You can add Associated People in FH, you just need to use the All tab, or > the new Plugin recently posted on FHUG > > http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11338&p=53740 > > > -- > Jane. > > Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk >

Thanks Jane, I will take a look. Sent from my iPad > On 21 Jul 2014, at 16:45, Jane Taubman <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 21 July 2014 15:00, GARDNER KAREN via <[email protected]> wrote: >> There was a section called 'Associated People' where you could easily link >> people in other ways - godparents, witnesses for marriage / death etc etc. >> ( I am sure in the past for godparents I have had to add an event / >> attribute to the godparent, but it didnt link through to the child etc) > > You can add Associated People in FH, you just need to use the All tab, or the new Plugin recently posted on FHUG > > http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11338&p=53740 > > > -- > Jane. > > Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

On 21 July 2014 15:00, GARDNER KAREN via < [email protected]> wrote: > There was a section called 'Associated People' where you could easily link > people in other ways - godparents, witnesses for marriage / death etc etc. > ( I am sure in the past for godparents I have had to add an event / > attribute to the godparent, but it didnt link through to the child etc) > You can add Associated People in FH, you just need to use the All tab, or the new Plugin recently posted on FHUG http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=11338&p=53740 -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Hello, Not sure if this is already properly available, or a wish list item etc (I havent spent much time doing research recently, so not in touch with the latest that FH can do. The idea came from another software program that I looked at recently (not on a par with FH with the level of capability, but did have some good ideas) There was a section called 'Associated People' where you could easily link people in other ways - godparents, witnesses for marriage / death etc etc. ( I am sure in the past for godparents I have had to add an event / attribute to the godparent, but it didnt link through to the child etc) I only use Ancestral Sources for adding census information to my tree, but now wondering if I need to use it for more and if it can do the same sort of thing? Frantically searching google for a screenshot of the said program to easily show my point, but they seem to have every screen but .... Thank you. Karen

Hi all, I have dropped all the message history because this reply attempts to address a number of issues. I am NOT a Mac/Parallels/Crossover user so I apologise if I have got some details wrong. (1) Loss of file links when drive letter changes. This sounds like the FH V4 & V5 Project Structure is NOT being use to best effect. FH V4 & V5 Projects usually use Multimedia file links that are relative to the Project Media folder. Therefore, the only settings that involve the drive letter & full file path are the Project Location and Backup folders. Since the drive letter is not included in Media file links, Projects are easily moved and unaffected by such changes. (2) Parallels I believe a long-term Parallels Licence costs £65 and includes 30 days support. Also a valid Windows Retail Licence must be purchased from Microsoft. (Using a Windows OEM Licence from a PC will violate the Microsoft EULA.) (3) Crossover & Wine I believe a long-term Crossover Licence costs £38 and includes 12 months support. Wine is a free but unsupported variant of a very similar package. NO Windows Licence is required, because they are emulators rather than virtualisation packages. However, not all Windows features are guaranteed to be supported. Recently a few FHUG members who use Crossover, FH & AS have been pushing things forward. There have been advancements in Crossover and help from the supplier CodeWeavers. This has lead to a stable implementation of not only Family Historian v4/v5 but also Ancestral Sources v4. See the FHUG Knowledge Base article 'How to Install Family Historian with Crossover and Wine': http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:install_family_historian_with_crossover_wine Furthermore the FH developer Calico Pie have stated: "We're keen that FH should run well under Crossover/Wine and it is something that we plan to look into as soon as we can make time to do so." Regards, Mike Tate

Karen To get back to your original question do give Crossover a try. Far better than Parallels imho. It is a different way of getting a PC programme to work on your MAC and does not require a copy of Windows. Because it is not running Windows as a virtual OS you should not lose connection to your external drives. If you don't want to pay for Crossover give the Wine install a try as Wine is free but the install is not quite as easy as with Crossover. -- Regards Colin http://turnspain.com http://orba-design.com From: Karen <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [FHU] Future Mac version? To: Mervyn Ashby <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks Mervyn, I have been looking at various demos ( not investigated the 2 that you mentioned though) I don't have a true partition, luckily I set it up so that I don't need to have it separate when I got my mac. I don't want to feel like I am in a PC (if that makes sense) My biggest frustration and I don't know why it does it, occasionally the external hard drive that all my data / photos etc etc are stored on 'undocks' from the mac ( despite having sleep mode turned off), and when it does this It changes the file path letter to the drive, and breaking all he file links from my tree to everything, in previous efforts to fix it (with help from a mac geek :) ) I had to reinstall parallels in order to access anything on the hard drive via the 'PC'. (My choice to use an external drive and not create a project folder and taking up more memory thn necessary - that was a resolution when buying the mac, to stay tidy) Having played with various mac software, I have liked the way they look, and some features they have that don't seem as straightforward in fh, but I'm not ready to give up everything that comes with fh that they lack. Sent from my iPad

Maybe a message is being missed. I query the original statement. I currently have two PCs and two laptops. The oldest of both the laptops and PCs both run Windows XP flawlessly. They will eat FH and Office apps for breakfast in terms of speed and can edit video happily. They are both around 8 years old and I have not had a single crash, blip or whatever in that time..... The newer PC is now 3 years old (and cost a little over £500 brand new). The processor is probably considered mid speed now and it has 16 GB of RAM and two large hard drives (plus the OS - Windows 7 Pro - is installed on a solid state disc). This was the original spec - all included in the £500. Once the BIOS has loaded Windows appears in just over 3 seconds. I can edit HD video on the fly, be downloading from the internet and have several spreadsheets and documents running without it breaking a sweat. These too have never crashed. (The newer laptop only has 2GB of RAM and still runs W7 Pro in a corporate environment happily) The solution is simple. Don't let anyone who doesn't know what they are doing fiddle. I reinstall and sort out more PCs than you can shake a stick at because of helpful children and friends.... If you want a Mac then fine but Windows was designed to run on a PC. You shouldn't moan when it doesn't flawlessly. I consider it like buying a nice red Italian sportscar and then complaining that it doesn't tow the family caravan.... you may fit the tow hitch but it won't be as good as a car built for the job.... Sent from my PC (what's an IPad? :-) ) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Karen via Sent: 18 July 2014 22:45 To: Mervyn Ashby; [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Future Mac version? Thanks Mervyn, I have been looking at various demos ( not investigated the 2 that you mentioned though) I don't have a true partition, luckily I set it up so that I don't need to have it separate when I got my mac. I don't want to feel like I am in a PC (if that makes sense) My biggest frustration and I don't know why it does it, occasionally the external hard drive that all my data / photos etc etc are stored on 'undocks' from the mac ( despite having sleep mode turned off), and when it does this It changes the file path letter to the drive, and breaking all he file links from my tree to everything, in previous efforts to fix it (with help from a mac geek :) ) I had to reinstall parallels in order to access anything on the hard drive via the 'PC'. (My choice to use an external drive and not create a project folder and taking up more memory thn necessary - that was a resolution when buying the mac, to stay tidy) Having played with various mac software, I have liked the way they look, and some features they have that don't seem as straightforward in fh, but I'm not ready to give up everything that comes with fh that they lack. Sent from my iPad > On 18 Jul 2014, at 22:34, Mervyn Ashby via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think we need to get back to Karen’s original query and expression of frustration with her present setup, especially as a native Mac version of FH seems unlikely to be realised in the foreseeable future. > >> On 18 Jul 2014, at 15:36, GARDNER KAREN via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> "I am getting increasingly frustrated with running parallels on my mac and various computer glitches that I am seriously looking at getting Mac specific software and taking out the partition. I dont want to lose the features of FH, but my sanity is struggling a bit. > > Whilst alternative software suggestions are obviously intended to be helpful, all would introduce significantly different ways of working and also result in a loss of at least some of the features of FH, e.g. plugins and Ancestral Sources input if those are highly valued. > > Having used Macs for several years now and also having run Family Historian on Macs in Windows installations (7, 8 and 8.1) using both Parallels and more recently VirtualBox I can honestly say I have experienced no problems whatsoever. Would I like to get rid of Windows entirely? - Yes, but I have not (yet) found any Mac Genealogy program which offers the same range of features/facilities/flexibility as FH and, unfortunately, there are also some other Windows programs I still want/need to run . > > Karen: I would really like to know what specific frustrations you are experiencing with your Parallels/Windows/FH setup. The fact that you believe Parallels uses a separate partition on your Mac, which it doesn’t unless you originally installed Windows using the Mac’s Bootcamp facility, suggests that you are not running OS X and Windows in Parallels Coherence Mode and I can certainly understand some frustration with the setup if your Windows and Mac Documents and data are isolated from each other. > > With reference to thoughts on Crossover/Wine installations, I have trialled Crossover in the past and unless you wish to pay another annual licence fee for a program that cannot guarantee a successful installation of the software you want to run, I cannot see the attraction when you already have a full Windows Licence. I have successfully installed and extensively tested FH Version 2 and 3 in Wine (using the ‘free’ Mac program Wineskin), but have not yet achieved a satisfactory working installation of either FH Version 4 or 5. Ancestral Sources does work in Wine but can, in my experience, be a bit ‘flaky’ in operation when it comes to input/responsiveness. > > At the end of your deliberations, if you really want to consider Mac alternatives, the closest alternative commercial Genealogy program to FH, in my opinion, for anyone who wants a similar experience and a native Gedcom database would be GEDitCOM II. There is also an open source programme called Ancestris with an interface which looks amazingly like FH and uses a native Gedcom databse, but that is still in beta and has been for a long time. Gramps (mentioned below) is also a comprehensive free open source alternative, but is very different in use. It can import/export Gedcom but uses its own database format; and yes, there are versions for Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. > > Mervyn Ashby > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Mervyn, I have been looking at various demos ( not investigated the 2 that you mentioned though) I don't have a true partition, luckily I set it up so that I don't need to have it separate when I got my mac. I don't want to feel like I am in a PC (if that makes sense) My biggest frustration and I don't know why it does it, occasionally the external hard drive that all my data / photos etc etc are stored on 'undocks' from the mac ( despite having sleep mode turned off), and when it does this It changes the file path letter to the drive, and breaking all he file links from my tree to everything, in previous efforts to fix it (with help from a mac geek :) ) I had to reinstall parallels in order to access anything on the hard drive via the 'PC'. (My choice to use an external drive and not create a project folder and taking up more memory thn necessary - that was a resolution when buying the mac, to stay tidy) Having played with various mac software, I have liked the way they look, and some features they have that don't seem as straightforward in fh, but I'm not ready to give up everything that comes with fh that they lack. Sent from my iPad > On 18 Jul 2014, at 22:34, Mervyn Ashby via <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think we need to get back to Karen’s original query and expression of frustration with her present setup, especially as a native Mac version of FH seems unlikely to be realised in the foreseeable future. > >> On 18 Jul 2014, at 15:36, GARDNER KAREN via <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> "I am getting increasingly frustrated with running parallels on my mac and various computer glitches that I am seriously looking at getting Mac specific software and taking out the partition. I dont want to lose the features of FH, but my sanity is struggling a bit. > > Whilst alternative software suggestions are obviously intended to be helpful, all would introduce significantly different ways of working and also result in a loss of at least some of the features of FH, e.g. plugins and Ancestral Sources input if those are highly valued. > > Having used Macs for several years now and also having run Family Historian on Macs in Windows installations (7, 8 and 8.1) using both Parallels and more recently VirtualBox I can honestly say I have experienced no problems whatsoever. Would I like to get rid of Windows entirely? - Yes, but I have not (yet) found any Mac Genealogy program which offers the same range of features/facilities/flexibility as FH and, unfortunately, there are also some other Windows programs I still want/need to run . > > Karen: I would really like to know what specific frustrations you are experiencing with your Parallels/Windows/FH setup. The fact that you believe Parallels uses a separate partition on your Mac, which it doesn’t unless you originally installed Windows using the Mac’s Bootcamp facility, suggests that you are not running OS X and Windows in Parallels Coherence Mode and I can certainly understand some frustration with the setup if your Windows and Mac Documents and data are isolated from each other. > > With reference to thoughts on Crossover/Wine installations, I have trialled Crossover in the past and unless you wish to pay another annual licence fee for a program that cannot guarantee a successful installation of the software you want to run, I cannot see the attraction when you already have a full Windows Licence. I have successfully installed and extensively tested FH Version 2 and 3 in Wine (using the ‘free’ Mac program Wineskin), but have not yet achieved a satisfactory working installation of either FH Version 4 or 5. Ancestral Sources does work in Wine but can, in my experience, be a bit ‘flaky’ in operation when it comes to input/responsiveness. > > At the end of your deliberations, if you really want to consider Mac alternatives, the closest alternative commercial Genealogy program to FH, in my opinion, for anyone who wants a similar experience and a native Gedcom database would be GEDitCOM II. There is also an open source programme called Ancestris with an interface which looks amazingly like FH and uses a native Gedcom databse, but that is still in beta and has been for a long time. Gramps (mentioned below) is also a comprehensive free open source alternative, but is very different in use. It can import/export Gedcom but uses its own database format; and yes, there are versions for Mac OS X, Windows and Linux. > > Mervyn Ashby > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message