Val, To check your FH version use Help > About Family Historian. The following explains how to use the Windows 8.1 Snipping Tool to capture a screenshot: http://www.7tutorials.com/how-use-snipping-tool Signing up for FHUG and attaching screenshots is really quite straightforward. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: Val Wylie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 October 2014 20:33 To: Beryl & Mike Tate Subject: RE: [FHU] 4 Irritating problems! Thanks Mike for such a speedy reply; I'll work through your suggestions and I also take note of your suggestion that I post the questions on FHUG and add screenshots. That would take the help of a younger family member but I've got Team Viewer and my daughter is a website designer so we should manage to work it out. I have Windows 8.1 and FH 5.1 (I think!). Regards, Val -----Original Message----- From: Beryl & Mike Tate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 October 2014 18:40 To: Val Wylie; [email protected] Subject: RE: [FHU] 4 Irritating problems! Hi Val, sorry you are having those problems. It would really help us if you said which version of FH and which version of Windows you are using. Also it might be better if your posted your questions on the free FHUG Forums because you can add screenshots of the problem. See http://www.fhug.org.uk Despite all that I might be able to help with some of them. (1) I suspect you are talking about the Property Box and the yellow Sources Pane. I also guess the yellow Sources Pane is shown at the bottom rather than the right. You simply have not moved the draggable dotted lines that you already have used far enough up. It might help if the yellow Sources pane was on the right. Use Tools > Preferences > Property Box tab and towards bottom set Position of Source Pan: Right. (2) If I understand you correctly, you are keeping your precious Family History Projects on a memory stick. I would strongly advise against that, and keep them in the default Family Historian Projects folder in My Documents on your C drive. That will certainly get rid of the pop-ups, and avoids the problem of what happens when (not if) the memory stick breaks down You can still keep backup copies of your Projects on a memory stick by using File > Project Window > More Tasks> Copy Project. (3) I suspect you are talking about the automatic Backup request when you close FH. It sounds as if the Backup folder setting has got upset. Use Tools > Preferences > Backup and set Default Backup Folder to somewhere in your Family Historian Projects folder in My Documents. (4) That message arises if some other program your are using has changed the GEDCOM file while you are also running FH itself. Can you identify what program that might be? Or perhaps it is something performing auto-backups of your memory stick. Again if you move to using the default Family Historian Projects folder in My Documents on your C drive I suspect the problem will go away. It is always wise to use programs in their default configuration to see if that fixes problems. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] 4 Irritating problems! Could brighter Users than me please help an illiterate Oldie sort out 4 irritating problems (which no doubt she should be able to sort out for herself, but which have defeated her)? 1. In the Source Citation Boxes of my earliest entries - including those of my own entry - there is a kind of 'shutter' across the individual Citations which I can move, but not so as to view the Source Citation itself. Can anyone tell me how to remove this 'shutter' and how I acquired it in the first place? 2. A pop-up keeps appearing when I am using FH which says, "please insert the last disk of the Multi-Volume set and click OK to continue." I don't have a multi-volume set of disks, or even any disks at all, as I use a Memory Stick. Eventually I get rid of the pop-up, but sometimes it takes many clicks on the cross at the top right corner before it disappears. How can I get rid of it for good? 3. For several months now I have been getting this message as soon as I add or alter information to my FH database: 'Cannot save. The file "C\Users/\Val\App Data\Local\Temp\Temp2_FH Gedcom Backup....Current " is Read-only. Do you wish to save the file under another name? I duly click 'OK' and alter the Backup number shown to the next number up and then click 'OK'. I am presently at 'Current 63' (having temporarily thought I'd found a solution with the aid of a younger family member, but I soon found that I was starting the number sequence all over again). How do I get my Gedcom Backups to save normally as they used to do and what error have I made? 4. I sometimes get a message which says, "this file has been modified by another application. Do you want to reload it and lose changes made in this application?" I never know whether to reply, 'yes' or 'no' to this question! What have I done incorrectly to provoke this message? Regards, Val

Hi Val, sorry you are having those problems. It would really help us if you said which version of FH and which version of Windows you are using. Also it might be better if your posted your questions on the free FHUG Forums because you can add screenshots of the problem. See http://www.fhug.org.uk Despite all that I might be able to help with some of them. (1) I suspect you are talking about the Property Box and the yellow Sources Pane. I also guess the yellow Sources Pane is shown at the bottom rather than the right. You simply have not moved the draggable dotted lines that you already have used far enough up. It might help if the yellow Sources pane was on the right. Use Tools > Preferences > Property Box tab and towards bottom set Position of Source Pan: Right. (2) If I understand you correctly, you are keeping your precious Family History Projects on a memory stick. I would strongly advise against that, and keep them in the default Family Historian Projects folder in My Documents on your C drive. That will certainly get rid of the pop-ups, and avoids the problem of what happens when (not if) the memory stick breaks down You can still keep backup copies of your Projects on a memory stick by using File > Project Window > More Tasks> Copy Project. (3) I suspect you are talking about the automatic Backup request when you close FH. It sounds as if the Backup folder setting has got upset. Use Tools > Preferences > Backup and set Default Backup Folder to somewhere in your Family Historian Projects folder in My Documents. (4) That message arises if some other program your are using has changed the GEDCOM file while you are also running FH itself. Can you identify what program that might be? Or perhaps it is something performing auto-backups of your memory stick. Again if you move to using the default Family Historian Projects folder in My Documents on your C drive I suspect the problem will go away. It is always wise to use programs in their default configuration to see if that fixes problems. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] 4 Irritating problems! Could brighter Users than me please help an illiterate Oldie sort out 4 irritating problems (which no doubt she should be able to sort out for herself, but which have defeated her)? 1. In the Source Citation Boxes of my earliest entries - including those of my own entry - there is a kind of 'shutter' across the individual Citations which I can move, but not so as to view the Source Citation itself. Can anyone tell me how to remove this 'shutter' and how I acquired it in the first place? 2. A pop-up keeps appearing when I am using FH which says, "please insert the last disk of the Multi-Volume set and click OK to continue." I don't have a multi-volume set of disks, or even any disks at all, as I use a Memory Stick. Eventually I get rid of the pop-up, but sometimes it takes many clicks on the cross at the top right corner before it disappears. How can I get rid of it for good? 3. For several months now I have been getting this message as soon as I add or alter information to my FH database: 'Cannot save. The file "C\Users/\Val\App Data\Local\Temp\Temp2_FH Gedcom Backup....Current " is Read-only. Do you wish to save the file under another name? I duly click 'OK' and alter the Backup number shown to the next number up and then click 'OK'. I am presently at 'Current 63' (having temporarily thought I'd found a solution with the aid of a younger family member, but I soon found that I was starting the number sequence all over again). How do I get my Gedcom Backups to save normally as they used to do and what error have I made? 4. I sometimes get a message which says, "this file has been modified by another application. Do you want to reload it and lose changes made in this application?" I never know whether to reply, 'yes' or 'no' to this question! What have I done incorrectly to provoke this message? Regards, Val

I can answer no.4. Sound as though you're using Ancestral Sources. If you modify your tree whilst AS is open, you must save the change before exiting AS. Hope this helps. Dennis -----Original Message----- From: Val Wylie via Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [FHU] 4 Irritating problems! Could brighter Users than me please help an illiterate Oldie sort out 4 irritating problems (which no doubt she should be able to sort out for herself, but which have defeated her)? 1. In the Source Citation Boxes of my earliest entries - including those of my own entry - there is a kind of 'shutter' across the individual Citations which I can move, but not so as to view the Source Citation itself. Can anyone tell me how to remove this 'shutter' and how I acquired it in the first place? 2. A pop-up keeps appearing when I am using FH which says, "please insert the last disk of the Multi-Volume set and click OK to continue." I don't have a multi-volume set of disks, or even any disks at all, as I use a Memory Stick. Eventually I get rid of the pop-up, but sometimes it takes many clicks on the cross at the top right corner before it disappears. How can I get rid of it for good? 3. For several months now I have been getting this message as soon as I add or alter information to my FH database: 'Cannot save. The file "C\Users/\Val\App Data\Local\Temp\Temp2_FH Gedcom Backup....Current " is Read-only. Do you wish to save the file under another name? I duly click 'OK' and alter the Backup number shown to the next number up and then click 'OK'. I am presently at 'Current 63' (having temporarily thought I'd found a solution with the aid of a younger family member, but I soon found that I was starting the number sequence all over again). How do I get my Gedcom Backups to save normally as they used to do and what error have I made? 4. I sometimes get a message which says, "this file has been modified by another application. Do you want to reload it and lose changes made in this application?" I never know whether to reply, 'yes' or 'no' to this question! What have I done incorrectly to provoke this message? Regards, Val ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4037/8324 - Release Date: 10/04/14

Could brighter Users than me please help an illiterate Oldie sort out 4 irritating problems (which no doubt she should be able to sort out for herself, but which have defeated her)? 1. In the Source Citation Boxes of my earliest entries - including those of my own entry - there is a kind of 'shutter' across the individual Citations which I can move, but not so as to view the Source Citation itself. Can anyone tell me how to remove this 'shutter' and how I acquired it in the first place? 2. A pop-up keeps appearing when I am using FH which says, "please insert the last disk of the Multi-Volume set and click OK to continue." I don't have a multi-volume set of disks, or even any disks at all, as I use a Memory Stick. Eventually I get rid of the pop-up, but sometimes it takes many clicks on the cross at the top right corner before it disappears. How can I get rid of it for good? 3. For several months now I have been getting this message as soon as I add or alter information to my FH database: 'Cannot save. The file "C\Users/\Val\App Data\Local\Temp\Temp2_FH Gedcom Backup....Current " is Read-only. Do you wish to save the file under another name? I duly click 'OK' and alter the Backup number shown to the next number up and then click 'OK'. I am presently at 'Current 63' (having temporarily thought I'd found a solution with the aid of a younger family member, but I soon found that I was starting the number sequence all over again). How do I get my Gedcom Backups to save normally as they used to do and what error have I made? 4. I sometimes get a message which says, "this file has been modified by another application. Do you want to reload it and lose changes made in this application?" I never know whether to reply, 'yes' or 'no' to this question! What have I done incorrectly to provoke this message? Regards, Val

Thanks Mike. I have been using an HP Mini when out and about but this seems to have hit problems. Rather than pay to have it fixed I am looking at the option of an android tablet or an iPad so wanted to find out about possible apps. I will look at the link you sent. Margaret On 02/10/2014 15:58, Beryl & Mike Tate via wrote: > Margaret, > You cannot run FH but are there are lots of GEDCOM apps. > See the FHUG Knowledge Base for advice: > http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:family_historian_on_imac_ipad_android_etc > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [FHU] Mobile app > > Is there now an app available for a mobile device, Android or iPad that can be used to load FH5 or a Gedcom? > > Margaret North. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Margaret, You cannot run FH but are there are lots of GEDCOM apps. See the FHUG Knowledge Base for advice: http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:family_historian_on_imac_ipad_android_etc Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Mobile app Is there now an app available for a mobile device, Android or iPad that can be used to load FH5 or a Gedcom? Margaret North.

Is there now an app available for a mobile device, Android or iPad that can be used to load FH5 or a Gedcom? Margaret North.

Many thanks to all who helped me with the problem. It is now resolved thanks to your replies. All the help was much appreciated. Dave HUTCHINGS

Morning Dave, Look under 'View', 'Standard Queries' down near the bottom of the list are six options to choose from. Alternatively, in the Records window, right click and select columns somewhere in the list to the left is 'Relationship to Root', click on this then use the little arrow to move to the right hand column. Hope this helps. Margaret. Sent from my iPad > On 28 Sep 2014, at 06:27, D HUTCHINGS via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Users, > In FH5 I am trying to establish a list of people's relationships to a specific person. I've made that person the root but cannot find a query/report that will do it. Neither can I identify the field that holds the detail, although it is clearly displayed. Any ideas/solutions please? > Many thanks for all help given, > Dave HUTCHINGS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]eb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Users, In FH5 I am trying to establish a list of people's relationships to a specific person. I've made that person the root but cannot find a query/report that will do it. Neither can I identify the field that holds the detail, although it is clearly displayed. Any ideas/solutions please? Many thanks for all help given, Dave HUTCHINGS

And you can sort on two columns. For example click the Dates column title, then click the Individual Records column title. If you have several people with the same name they will be sorted in date order. The same goes for any two columns which is extremely useful. I would like to see that facility to be extended to sorting on more than two columns. As an aside, I have customised my columns to ... Individual Records Dates Spouse forename Spouse surname Relationship to Root Father Mother ID Updated Birth Date Birth Place Baptism Date Baptism Place Marriage Date Marriage Place Death Date Death Place Burial Date Burial Place First name Email Trevor Rix

Hi James, The following rules apply to any columnar FH Window such as the Records Window or a Query Result Set Window. The order of the Records can be sorted according to any Column. Click on the Column Title at the head of the Column and it will sort on that Column. Hold down the 'Alt' key while clicking and the reverse sort will be applied. e.g. Click on the "Record Id" column Title to sort into Record Id order. Click on the "Individual Records" column Title to sort into Name order. Click on the "Update" columnTitle while holding the 'Alt' key to sort with most recent updates first. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Until today whenever I opened Family Historian the list in the Records Window appeared alphabetically. Today when I opened the program the list appeared with the names all mixed. How can I restore the list to its original form? James

Just click on the "Individual Records" column heading. Works for all the column headings. John --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Again Newbie panic over – I managed to figure out how to restore my list to alphabetical order. Thanks James

Hi Advice needed. Until today whenever I opened Family Historian the list in the Records Window appeared alphabetically. Today when I opened the program the list appeared with the names all mixed. How can I restore the list to its original form? Thanks James

David, That is all perfectly normal. What you are seeing are "Relative" links, that are one of the great advantages of Projects. The "Project Data Folder" as you say represents the root path "C:\Users\{username}\My Documents/Family Historian Projects/Banks/Banks.fh_data". This allows a Project to be moved within your PC or onto another PC without breaking the Media file links. e.g. If you move onto another PC, any part of that root path, such as the drive letter or username, might change (especially when moving from XP to a later Windows version). The "Relative" links cope with that because the "Project Data Folder" always refers to the "Banks.fh_data" project folder. If some of your other media external links start with "C:\Users\{username}\My Documents/Family Historian Projects/Banks/Banks.fh_data" then these are "Absolute" links. These will NOT migrate from PC to PC and will become broken links. I strongly advise you use "Tools > Work with External File Links" and convert them to "Relative" links. Select the "Media" folder, then click "Re-Map" and choose "Re-map within Project Data Folder", and select "Media" as the Target Folder. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- I have a folder C:/My Documents/Family Historian Projects/Banks/Banks.fh_data/Media/Census/Banks/1841/Entered/ which contains a copy of all the 1841 census sheets that I have entered on FH. I move the file from the '1841' folder to the '1841/Entered' folder when I have entered the details on FH. I did a lot of entries in the last few weeks and found that I have a new folder created which I can't see in explorer, I assume it is a 'logical' folder, but I can see it in 'External Links'. The new folder structure is the same as above but 'My Documents/Family Historian Projects/Banks/Banks.fh_data' has been replaced with 'Project Data Folder'. How do I 'correct' the situation, I can't 'move' the documents using explorer as the folder 'Project Data Folder' doesn't exist in Windows? David

Hi Rootsweb has replaced the italicised letters with normal letters in my previous email. The part of the folder structure that has been replaced is 'My Documents/Family Historian Projects/Banks/Banks fh_data', it's been replaced with 'Project Data Folder'. Sorry abaht that. David

Hi Something 'different' has happened, no data is missing but media is appearing in a different place. I have a folder C:/My Documents/Family Historian Projects/Banks/Banks fh_data/Media/Census/Banks/1841/Entered/ which contains a copy of all the 1841 census sheets that I have entered on FH. I move the file from the '1841' folder to the '1841/Entered' folder when I have entered the details on FH. I did a lot of entries in the last few weeks and found that I have a new folder created which I can't see in explorer, I assume it is a 'logical' folder, but I can see it in 'External Links'. The new folder structure is the same as above but the parts in italics have been replaced by 'Project Data Folder'. How do I 'correct' the situation, I can't 'move' the documents using explorer as the folder 'Project Data Folder' doesn't exist in Windows? David

Thank you, Victor. I said "about ten entries". I have now checked and indeed there are eight entries! -----Original Message----- From: Victor Markham via Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] Baptisms I have just checked a baptism page. Each page has 8 entries. The top shows a page number. Below this are the details of the parish. The bottom shows a parish record reference number. Each baptism has a number in the left box. at the end of the row is the minister, performing the ceremony, signature That is the kind of thing I would call a Primary source. A page with 10 baptisms could be from a non conformist church. As long as there is a name of the church, minsters signature and a church record reference then I would describe that as a primary source. This depends on how the particular non conformist church registers the baptism. Some people tend to just cut out all names not related to their line. I would described this as a secondary source simply because the church details and reference have been removed. Victor On 18/09/2014 5:22 PM, Adrian Bruce via wrote: > Without we know something more about the source, we can't tell - I can't > imagine that there were only 10 baptisms in the whole of Plymouth for > 1909, so it doesn't seem like a parish register (which would generally > be regarded as containing primary evidence) - so your first task is to > work out what you're looking at and then decide whether > - it's created contemporary with the events; > - it's an original document and not a later copy; > - it's written by someone with direct knowledge of the events; > > That's something like the UK's definition of primary evidence. > > Adrian > > On 17/09/2014 21:48, Dennis Hawkins via wrote: >> Would the 1909 Plymouth Baptism Register (a handwritten list of about ten >> names, dates, parents etc) qualify as a primary source? >> Dennis Hawkins >> ... >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4015/8235 - Release Date: 09/18/14

I have just checked a baptism page. Each page has 8 entries. The top shows a page number. Below this are the details of the parish. The bottom shows a parish record reference number. Each baptism has a number in the left box. at the end of the row is the minister, performing the ceremony, signature That is the kind of thing I would call a Primary source. A page with 10 baptisms could be from a non conformist church. As long as there is a name of the church, minsters signature and a church record reference then I would describe that as a primary source. This depends on how the particular non conformist church registers the baptism. Some people tend to just cut out all names not related to their line. I would described this as a secondary source simply because the church details and reference have been removed. Victor On 18/09/2014 5:22 PM, Adrian Bruce via wrote: > Without we know something more about the source, we can't tell - I can't > imagine that there were only 10 baptisms in the whole of Plymouth for > 1909, so it doesn't seem like a parish register (which would generally > be regarded as containing primary evidence) - so your first task is to > work out what you're looking at and then decide whether > - it's created contemporary with the events; > - it's an original document and not a later copy; > - it's written by someone with direct knowledge of the events; > > That's something like the UK's definition of primary evidence. > > Adrian > > On 17/09/2014 21:48, Dennis Hawkins via wrote: >> Would the 1909 Plymouth Baptism Register (a handwritten list of about ten names, dates, parents etc) qualify as a primary source? >> Dennis Hawkins >> ... >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message