I would have a look at what Tony posted as it is important to understand that the repository for the certificate is the place where the record was to be found when the certificate was produced. Hilary On Thursday, 29 October 2015, Nigel Brown via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I do exactly the same as Irene for BMD (certificates and indexes) and > censuses. A good reason for using the GRO for BMDs rather than the local > Register Office is that they change names, addresses, boundaries, etc. more > frequently (and in general they have them all, so it is much easier to > quote). > > For me the source is the document, photo, web site, book, personal > knowledge > or whatever from which I learnt what I learnt, and the repository is where > I > can go to obtain it again, or send someone else to find it. Sometimes there > is no repository e.g. personal knowledge, unless you are going to say X's > memory, and often it is not possible to there again! > > Nigel Brown > > -----Original Message-----From: > family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> > [mailto:family-historian-users- <javascript:;> > I use GRO as the repository for England & Wales certifivates, whether they > come from freeBMD, local registrar websites or wherever. Others may be > more > specific but my view is that GRO is the main repository. > > I use TNA National Archives for all census since that is ultimately where > they come from. > > Irene Blackburn > > > On 29 Oct 2015, at 09:08, John Firr via > <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > I sent a mail yesterday about sources etc and thanks for the prompt > response, look forward to the updated v6 manual. I spent last night looking > again at the topic and it finally clicked so I now understand the > difference > between a repository, source and citation. > > Does anyone have a simple set up for generic repositories? Example is a > birth certificate may exist as a paper copy I own. A reference from bmd > registers or just a quick find on ancestry. In these three cases would you > always put the repository as the general records office? > > Sorry I know this sounds a daft question but I want to get the > > referencing right Regards John Firr > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com <javascript:;> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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I do exactly the same as Irene for BMD (certificates and indexes) and censuses. A good reason for using the GRO for BMDs rather than the local Register Office is that they change names, addresses, boundaries, etc. more frequently (and in general they have them all, so it is much easier to quote). For me the source is the document, photo, web site, book, personal knowledge or whatever from which I learnt what I learnt, and the repository is where I can go to obtain it again, or send someone else to find it. Sometimes there is no repository e.g. personal knowledge, unless you are going to say X's memory, and often it is not possible to there again! Nigel Brown -----Original Message-----From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users- I use GRO as the repository for England & Wales certifivates, whether they come from freeBMD, local registrar websites or wherever. Others may be more specific but my view is that GRO is the main repository. I use TNA National Archives for all census since that is ultimately where they come from. Irene Blackburn > On 29 Oct 2015, at 09:08, John Firr via <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I sent a mail yesterday about sources etc and thanks for the prompt response, look forward to the updated v6 manual. I spent last night looking again at the topic and it finally clicked so I now understand the difference between a repository, source and citation. > Does anyone have a simple set up for generic repositories? Example is a birth certificate may exist as a paper copy I own. A reference from bmd registers or just a quick find on ancestry. In these three cases would you always put the repository as the general records office? > Sorry I know this sounds a daft question but I want to get the > referencing right Regards John Firr with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message>

I have listed where I obtained my BMD details from. Most are from the GRO but some are from local registration offices. The GRO does not have all the BMD's as some are missing. The local registry office should have them all. In addition, thanks to ancestry, I have downloaded some from some areas which are from Parish Registers. This means I have three sources or repositories. Victor On 29/10/2015 9:08 AM, John Firr via wrote: > I sent a mail yesterday about sources etc and thanks for the prompt response, look forward to the updated v6 manual. I spent last night looking again at the topic and it finally clicked so I now understand the difference between a repository, source and citation. > Does anyone have a simple set up for generic repositories? Example is a birth certificate may exist as a paper copy I own. A reference from bmd registers or just a quick find on ancestry. In these three cases would you always put the repository as the general records office? > Sorry I know this sounds a daft question but I want to get the referencing right > Regards > John Firr > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Sounds about right to me Adrian. Lesley On 29/10/2015 11:06, Adrian Bruce via wrote: > " I think for the purposes of computing with Family Historian it would > probably mean the place where you as the holder of the information choose > to store it." > > To some extent it's up to you. For certificates that I'd bought, I > originally put down the Repository as "Adrian Bruce" - but then thought - > if I produce a printed report and pass it to someone, what use is that as a > Repository? It makes sense if I have the only such object in existence, but > for certificates, books, digital images, etc., surely it's more useful to > tell the reader where they have to go to get their own copy or see the > original themselves? > > So if the image came off FMP, I'd put Repository = "FindMyPast". > > If it's a physical certificate from the local Superintendent Registrar, I'd > put Repository = "Cheshire Central Register Office" with the call number > set to their reference, e.g. Call no. = "CR/02/047". > > If I've only looked at the *index* on FreeBMD, then I'd put Repository as > "FreeBMD". (The GRO might very well have created it the page that you're > seeing the image of - if they did, then record them as the Author. The > point is - where did you go for it? You went to FreeBMD). > > If I went to Kew, then it's Repository = "TNA" - even if I took some > digital photos that are held on my PC, since the most important thing is > the original - that's what you've seen, so concentrate on that. > > If I have the originals of family photos, then it makes sense to have > Repository = "Collection of Adrian Bruce", because you have to come to me > for a copy. > > Don't fall into the trap of thinking there must be a Repository for > everything. If your source is a recently published book, what does it > matter if you saw it in Crewe Library? Whoever is reading your stuff can go > to their own library. And probably will.... So I'd leave the Repository > blank there. There comes some sort of fine line when the books might be so > old that it becomes useful to indicate Repository = "British Library" > (say), if that's where you went. > > Adrian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi John, I would advise against taking much notice of William Clegg. Nobody on this [FHU] Email list nor the FHUG website have any idea who he is and his advice is often misleading. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Tutorial help for version 6 Hi, I printed the very helpful "getting the most from family historian" manual and also purchased the small booklet by William Clegg on where to record sources etc. However I didn't get round to using these until after upgrading to version 6 and although I have found the manual pretty useful and learned a lot and in the main it has been reasonably easy to work out where screens and buttons have changed. However I really can't get my head around the sources and repositories stuff as the screens seem very different particularly the "automatic" citations. Is there any new tutorial material for version 6 or is the detail of recording sources covered in any of the courses which are run occasionally? Thanks John Firr

Regarding FreeBMD (or any of the FreeUKGEN resources), you might be interested in the thread at: https://www.evidenceexplained.com/content/citing-online-database-no-obvious-name, since it includes some example citations.. Tony Proctor ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hanson via" <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> To: "'John Firr'" <Johnfirr@yahoo.co.uk>; <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [FHU] Repositories > John > > A birth certificate is a source in its own right - the source for the BMD > indexes should be something like "Gro Indexes" > > A better example might be a marriage certificate. The copy you get from > the > GRO will not be the same as the copy of the same marriage shall we say > from > Ancestry. Nor will it be the same as a transcript on BMD Registers and > possibly different from that on Lancashire OPC. > > A repository on the other hand is the place that you would go to get a > copy > of the certificate. This can be your own collection, the record office > that > holds the original, in the case of BMD indexes possibly the GRO > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust > Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John > Firr > via > Sent: 29 October 2015 09:09 > To: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FHU] Repositories > > I sent a mail yesterday about sources etc and thanks for the prompt > response, look forward to the updated v6 manual. I spent last night > looking > again at the topic and it finally clicked so I now understand the > difference > between a repository, source and citation. > Does anyone have a simple set up for generic repositories? Example is a > birth certificate may exist as a paper copy I own. A reference from bmd > registers or just a quick find on ancestry. In these three cases would you > always put the repository as the general records office? > Sorry I know this sounds a daft question but I want to get the referencing > right Regards John Firr > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

" I think for the purposes of computing with Family Historian it would probably mean the place where you as the holder of the information choose to store it." To some extent it's up to you. For certificates that I'd bought, I originally put down the Repository as "Adrian Bruce" - but then thought - if I produce a printed report and pass it to someone, what use is that as a Repository? It makes sense if I have the only such object in existence, but for certificates, books, digital images, etc., surely it's more useful to tell the reader where they have to go to get their own copy or see the original themselves? So if the image came off FMP, I'd put Repository = "FindMyPast". If it's a physical certificate from the local Superintendent Registrar, I'd put Repository = "Cheshire Central Register Office" with the call number set to their reference, e.g. Call no. = "CR/02/047". If I've only looked at the *index* on FreeBMD, then I'd put Repository as "FreeBMD". (The GRO might very well have created it the page that you're seeing the image of - if they did, then record them as the Author. The point is - where did you go for it? You went to FreeBMD). If I went to Kew, then it's Repository = "TNA" - even if I took some digital photos that are held on my PC, since the most important thing is the original - that's what you've seen, so concentrate on that. If I have the originals of family photos, then it makes sense to have Repository = "Collection of Adrian Bruce", because you have to come to me for a copy. Don't fall into the trap of thinking there must be a Repository for everything. If your source is a recently published book, what does it matter if you saw it in Crewe Library? Whoever is reading your stuff can go to their own library. And probably will.... So I'd leave the Repository blank there. There comes some sort of fine line when the books might be so old that it becomes useful to indicate Repository = "British Library" (say), if that's where you went. Adrian