Hi I know this has come up before, but how do you delete an empty box from a diagram. I unlinked it from the spouse then deleted, but when I looked the empty box was still in the diagram. Thanks Caryl

Sorry to hear about that Jacqueline, but it is NOT a problem that I remember anyone else reporting, so I do not have a ready-made solution. I am afraid I am going to ask some questions to help solve the problem. Please answer as many as you can. How do you open your family tree? Do you click the Family Historian 'fh' icon and the tree opens automatically, or what? Does the shadowy 'greyed-out' Main tab affect every person, or just that one person? What happens if you open the Spouse person's details? Do the Facts and Notes tabs operate correctly? If you use Save top left, what happens? Which version of Family Historian are you using? Help > About Family Historian will tell you. Which version of Windows are you using? XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10? Do you have a friend or relation capable of sorting out PC problems for you? Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Inability to enter name of a spouse -a sudden new problem I have just opened my family tree to add the name of a newly discovered spouse, but I can enter nothing under name of spouse. The main information tag is visible in a shadowy form and only the facts and notes tags are shown in normal strength view. It has not happened before. I don't know whether I have inadvertantly locked something which is preventing this. I am a grandma, and will only understand replies in nornmal language, not "computer speak" - sorry. Thank you - Jacqueline

Yes - highly useful, thank you. I could see that there might be problems getting reports in of deaths but I'd no idea of the precise process of reporting or the (dis-)incentives to report. I'd take a wild guess that there might also be issues with people and officialdom losing NHS numbers, perhaps when moving between doctors, and having new ones created for them, with the result that the original would never be closed down. E.g., I've no idea where my number is / was.... Adrian

I have just opened my family tree to add the name of a newly discovered spouse, but I can enter nothing under name of spouse. The main information tag is visible in a shadowy form and only the facts and notes tags are shown in normal strength view. It has not happened before. I don't know whether I have inadvertantly locked something which is preventing this. I am a grandma, and will only understand replies in nornmal language, not "computer speak" - sorry. Thank you - Jacqueline

----- Original Message ----- From: "David via" <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [FHU] 1939 register > Dear all, > Between 1987 and 1990 I spent a lot of time working with, what was by then > called, the NHS Register. The discussion about computerising patient > records had begun and I spent some time explaining the need for a unique > identifier and pointing out that the current NHS Numbers would not work. > (I > will not give you're the technical details!). > > The 1939 Register was used as the basis for the NHS Register. The records > were kept up to date because they showed which patient was allocated to > which GP. When a patient died the GP was supposed to return their medical > file and as a consequence would have their capitation fees reduced. (You > might see a reason there why some of them did not report deaths.) If a > patient died in hospital, or in other circumstances, the GP might not have > known about the death and the patient would remain on their books until > there was some kind of audit (a rare occurrence!). The level of inflation > in capitation fees was estimated as being between 10% and 30%. No one > would > do anything about it for fear of upsetting the doctors. (When the NHS > started someone asked how the doctors had been persuaded to join and was > told by the politician in charge "We stopped their mouths with gold!") > > Linking death registrations to the register may have been attempted but it > is fraught with problems. Deaths are often reported by people with little > real knowledge of the deceased. (My grandfather registered the death of > someone who had taken in grandma when her parents died and reported the > age > as 101. He would have had no idea of her age. She might have been about > 80!) Doctors and care workers often know only what the person has told > them > and exaggerating you age is not uncommon. For married women there will be > no > clues to their birth name and lots of people change or misspell their own > names. You only have to look at the census records to see how mangled a > name can get when the recorder has only heard it and the speaker cannot > read. > > My expectations of this new data set were pretty low. It might help you > find A date of birth but I know all of my direct family ones for this > period > from Grandma's Birthday Book. Bear in mind that this set suffers from the > transcription errors of the original recorders as well as those introduced > by FMP. > > I hope this helps. > > DaveT > In Sunny South Yorkshire > > Excellent insights Dave. Thanks for posting that. Tony Proctor

Dear all, Between 1987 and 1990 I spent a lot of time working with, what was by then called, the NHS Register. The discussion about computerising patient records had begun and I spent some time explaining the need for a unique identifier and pointing out that the current NHS Numbers would not work. (I will not give you're the technical details!). The 1939 Register was used as the basis for the NHS Register. The records were kept up to date because they showed which patient was allocated to which GP. When a patient died the GP was supposed to return their medical file and as a consequence would have their capitation fees reduced. (You might see a reason there why some of them did not report deaths.) If a patient died in hospital, or in other circumstances, the GP might not have known about the death and the patient would remain on their books until there was some kind of audit (a rare occurrence!). The level of inflation in capitation fees was estimated as being between 10% and 30%. No one would do anything about it for fear of upsetting the doctors. (When the NHS started someone asked how the doctors had been persuaded to join and was told by the politician in charge "We stopped their mouths with gold!") Linking death registrations to the register may have been attempted but it is fraught with problems. Deaths are often reported by people with little real knowledge of the deceased. (My grandfather registered the death of someone who had taken in grandma when her parents died and reported the age as 101. He would have had no idea of her age. She might have been about 80!) Doctors and care workers often know only what the person has told them and exaggerating you age is not uncommon. For married women there will be no clues to their birth name and lots of people change or misspell their own names. You only have to look at the census records to see how mangled a name can get when the recorder has only heard it and the speaker cannot read. My expectations of this new data set were pretty low. It might help you find A date of birth but I know all of my direct family ones for this period from Grandma's Birthday Book. Bear in mind that this set suffers from the transcription errors of the original recorders as well as those introduced by FMP. I hope this helps. DaveT In Sunny South Yorkshire

Hi, Just wondering how other users document a person who is mentioned in a WILL. For example, I have a will of William HALL made on 15th June 1816. In it he mentions his son James - this obviously proves James is alive and where he was living. William died in 1822 and his will was proved in May 1823. How would you document this for James ? He is alive and living in West Clandon when the will is made so this is a useful fact, how is it best to record this ? He only receives his inheritance once the Will has been proved so I'm guessing I use an INHERITENCE fact for James in May 1823. Thanks Chris

On 07 Nov 2015 12:04 AM, Chris Wake via wrote: > Just wondering how other users document a person who is mentioned in a > WILL. For example, I have a will of William HALL made on 15th June 1816. In > it he mentions his son James - this obviously proves James is alive and > where he was living. Just a small technicality. Because a person is mentioned in a will, it doesn't necessarily prove that person is alive and well at the time the will is proved. The named person might have died and the will not been amended. -- Regards, Mike Fry Johannesburg

Redaction was done by the contractor (i.e. FMP) according (always - errors and omissions excepted) to rules supplied by the customer (i.e. TNA). Not sure of the route to request de-redaction. Adrian On 6 November 2015 at 20:43, Greenbee via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: ... > As far as the redaction goes, I have a feeling that that has been done by > the National Archives as I think non FMP subscribers have to contact them > for correction. > ...

I record it under probate with details in the notes section and include a copy of the will via the media tab Victor On 06/11/2015 10:04 PM, Chris Wake via wrote: > Hi, > > Just wondering how other users document a person who is mentioned in a > WILL. For example, I have a will of William HALL made on 15th June 1816. In > it he mentions his son James - this obviously proves James is alive and > where he was living. William died in 1822 and his will was proved in May > 1823. How would you document this for James ? He is alive and living in West > Clandon when the will is made so this is a useful fact, how is it best to > record this ? He only receives his inheritance once the Will has been proved > so I'm guessing I use an INHERITENCE fact for James in May 1823. > > > > Thanks > > > > Chris > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would create a Source record for the will (if you have not already done so). In the Text box of the Source record you can enter a transcription of the will and if you have an image of the actual document you can link that to the Source via the Media tab. You can then cite this source for the Will fact itself (the fact that he created the will on a certain date, etc) and for any other information gleaned from it. So for the son James, create a Residence fact and cite the same Source record. In the 'Where within Source' field enter something like 'beneficiary's address'. Lorna On 06/11/2015 22:04, Chris Wake via wrote: > Hi, > > Just wondering how other users document a person who is mentioned in a > WILL. For example, I have a will of William HALL made on 15th June 1816. In > it he mentions his son James - this obviously proves James is alive and > where he was living. William died in 1822 and his will was proved in May > 1823. How would you document this for James ? He is alive and living in West > Clandon when the will is made so this is a useful fact, how is it best to > record this ? He only receives his inheritance once the Will has been proved > so I'm guessing I use an INHERITENCE fact for James in May 1823. >

Caryl wrote "So I have complained - twice. The first time they had obviously not read my email, so I have complained again". --- There are some pretty awful transcription errors, because when you get the image the enumeration is correct. A tip, if you're not sure whether an entry is yours or not, note down the enumeration number and do another search with no names, just the enumeration number. Seeing the full list will help you make your mind up whether it's your family or not. As far as the redaction goes, I have a feeling that that has been done by the National Archives as I think non FMP subscribers have to contact them for correction. If you subscribe to FMP and report transcription errors they will investigate and fix them if necessary, from memory it will be up to three weeks before it would be fixed, but I've had emails from them in the past to say that my corrections have been actioned once they were pointed out. Regards Shelagh

With a will, you have several different things going on. As Mike Fry said, because a person is mentioned in a will, it doesn't mean that someone is alive and well at the time the will is proved. It doesn't even mean that the person is alive at the time the will was written -- because a beneficiary could have predeceased the author of the will. I would record all the information in the will as people have already said -- a full description in notes, a Probate event if the date of probate is known, etc. I also use associated persons to link people mentioned in a will to the author of the will, and label their relationship as being a beneficiary, witness, or whatever is appropriate. Jan Jan Murphy packrat74@gmail.com On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Lorna Craig via <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I would create a Source record for the will (if you have not already > done so). In the Text box of the Source record you can enter a > transcription of the will and if you have an image of the actual > document you can link that to the Source via the Media tab. > > You can then cite this source for the Will fact itself (the fact that he > created the will on a certain date, etc) and for any other information > gleaned from it. So for the son James, create a Residence fact and cite > the same Source record. In the 'Where within Source' field enter > something like 'beneficiary's address'. > > Lorna > > On 06/11/2015 22:04, Chris Wake via wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Just wondering how other users document a person who is mentioned in a >> WILL. For example, I have a will of William HALL made on 15th June 1816. In >> it he mentions his son James - this obviously proves James is alive and >> where he was living. William died in 1822 and his will was proved in May >> 1823. How would you document this for James ? He is alive and living in West >> Clandon when the will is made so this is a useful fact, how is it best to >> record this ? He only receives his inheritance once the Will has been proved >> so I'm guessing I use an INHERITENCE fact for James in May 1823. >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shame it's not like the 1940 USA census which shows all information for everyone. (Is this a suitable topic for [FHU]) Mike Fisher

Yes, I have had several errors corrected by FMP and also FreeBMD (but not yet for the 1939 Register) although sometimes had to be persistent and patient. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: Re: [FHU] 1939 Register Out of interest has anyone had a correction implemented by FMP? Julian -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] 1939 Register Hi all, Yes there are errors, and yes I did try to check the original. My great aunt died in 1978, if she was alive now she'd be 122. She is listed and according to the index not redacted. So I paid to see the original - only to find that the original had been redacted. So I have complained - twice. The first time they had obviously not read my email, so I have complained again. Caryl

Out of interest has anyone had a correction implemented by FMP? Julian -----Original Message----- From: Caryl Gill via Sent: 6 November, 2015 16:22 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] 1939 Register Hi all, Yes there are errors, and yes I did try to check the original. My great aunt died in 1978, if she was alive now she'd be 122. She is listed and according to the index not redacted. So I paid to see the original - only to find that the original had been redacted. So I have complained - twice. The first time they had obviously not read my email, so I have complained again. Caryl ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My mother married in 1938. After the breakdown of the marriage in 1947, she changed her name by deed poll. On the 1939 Register image, she appears with her first husband but her name has been crossed out and her new 1947 name entered above it. This is the name which has been transcribed.I eventually found her by consulting the 1939 electoral rolls and then searching on the address.I'm sure everyone is there somewhere - it just requires some lateral thinking.Jill From: Adrian Bruce via <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> To: Family Historian UG Mailing List <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, 6 November 2015, 14:43 Subject: Re: [FHU] 1939 Register *Any* errors? Can you justify why you are holding FMP responsible for errors made by the householders, by the enumerators and by the NHS? There is a simple answer to "exorbitant fees for rubbish" - don't buy the stuff in the first place. While people continue to buy the stuff, FMP can justifiably say, "But people want it...". For me, the price is too steep for the information gained - so I'm not buying. End of story. Adrian On 6 November 2015 at 14:07, D C Banks via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi all. > Can I suggest that, without fail, everybody posts any errors you find to > the > FMP web site > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Yes there are errors, and yes I did try to check the original. My great aunt died in 1978, if she was alive now she'd be 122. She is listed and according to the index not redacted. So I paid to see the original - only to find that the original had been redacted. So I have complained - twice. The first time they had obviously not read my email, so I have complained again. Caryl

I agree, we don't have to buy them. My parents are deceased, but are too young to be included. They got married the day before war broke out. I was born in February 1940. So I won't be buying as my most important records are unavailable. However I understand the reason for the non release. I have an uncle on mother's side, an aunt on my father's side both living. On 6 November 2015 at 15:41, John Hanson via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > David > Before you complain about FMP make sure that the errors are theirs. I would > suggest that anyone who hasn't yet read the website created by Peter Calver > the Lost Cousins creator about the 1939Register > http://1939register.info/ > > I has lots of information and one of the critical points he makes is that > the vast majority of what people are calling errors are nothing to do with > FMP but are the fault of the original enumerator. > > Secondly if you are going so complain about the errors have you looked at > the original - if you haven’t how do you know that it is an error. > > >From my point of view I look at it this way - I will cost me £9.25 to get > a > single birth certificate - with the 1939 register and the right family I > can > get 5 dates of birth for less > > Regards > John Hanson > Researcher, The Halsted Trust > Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of D C > Banks > via > Sent: 06 November 2015 14:07 > To: 'Alan Hourd'; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] 1939 Register > > Hi all. > Can I suggest that, without fail, everybody posts any errors you find to > the > FMP web site, I have found all sorts of errors and have posted each one > singly, until we do this they are going to continue charging exorbitant > fees > for rubbish. > > David > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alan > Hourd > via > Sent: 05 November 2015 19:11 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] 1939 Register > > How have others found the 1939 Register? > > I looked up the records for my own family and a cousin's. In both cases > there were transcription errors. The first was a minor error in my father's > second initial - a "V" transcribed as an "S" - that made locating the > record > a little more awkward. > > The next record involved searching for my maternal grandfather whose > surname > was Terry. No record of him showed up, even with various filters added to > the search. Eventually, by looking for another member of the same > household, > I found that "Terry" had been transcribed (and hence indexed) as "Derby". > It's hard to see why that error in transcription had occurred unless > someone > was simply having a wild guess at the name. > > I haven't invested a vast sum in opening up the records but the costs seem > pretty steep for such shoddy transcription. Moreover, people I know to be > deceased are not revealed in the transcription or image - one has to submit > clear evidence of a death to get that data revealed. > > Alan Hourd > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David Before you complain about FMP make sure that the errors are theirs. I would suggest that anyone who hasn't yet read the website created by Peter Calver the Lost Cousins creator about the 1939Register http://1939register.info/ I has lots of information and one of the critical points he makes is that the vast majority of what people are calling errors are nothing to do with FMP but are the fault of the original enumerator. Secondly if you are going so complain about the errors have you looked at the original - if you haven’t how do you know that it is an error. >From my point of view I look at it this way - I will cost me £9.25 to get a single birth certificate - with the 1939 register and the right family I can get 5 dates of birth for less Regards John Hanson Researcher, The Halsted Trust Website - www.halstedresearch.org.uk -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of D C Banks via Sent: 06 November 2015 14:07 To: 'Alan Hourd'; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] 1939 Register Hi all. Can I suggest that, without fail, everybody posts any errors you find to the FMP web site, I have found all sorts of errors and have posted each one singly, until we do this they are going to continue charging exorbitant fees for rubbish. David -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alan Hourd via Sent: 05 November 2015 19:11 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] 1939 Register How have others found the 1939 Register? I looked up the records for my own family and a cousin's. In both cases there were transcription errors. The first was a minor error in my father's second initial - a "V" transcribed as an "S" - that made locating the record a little more awkward. The next record involved searching for my maternal grandfather whose surname was Terry. No record of him showed up, even with various filters added to the search. Eventually, by looking for another member of the same household, I found that "Terry" had been transcribed (and hence indexed) as "Derby". It's hard to see why that error in transcription had occurred unless someone was simply having a wild guess at the name. I haven't invested a vast sum in opening up the records but the costs seem pretty steep for such shoddy transcription. Moreover, people I know to be deceased are not revealed in the transcription or image - one has to submit clear evidence of a death to get that data revealed. Alan Hourd ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message