Thanks for that information. I think that's a terrible situation where you are forced to install to your OS drive. I thought that was the old fashioned way. It makes it even worse in Windows 10 where updates have been known to uninstall programmes because it thinks they are "incompatible". I seem to think my son has a way of of moving things to another drive using symbolic links Regards Don Don Brown Tel: 02476456819 > On 8 Dec 2015, at 17:51, Beryl and Mike Tate via <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Don, > > Unfortunately, not all parts of FH will have installed on your App Drive > E:\. > > > > The C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\ data folder will be on the > SSD, > > Many ancillary components will have been installed in C:\WINDOWS\ on the > SSD. > > Also I suspect the C:\Program Files\Calico Pie\Family Historian PDF\ printer > is on the SSD. > > > > So all you have saved is about 30 Mbytes of SSD storage space. > > > > You also run a small risk that your configuration runs into trouble, because > it will never have been used by Calico Pie, or anyone else. > > > > Regards, Mike Tate > > > > _____ > > Subject: Re: [FHU] FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 268 > > > > I have FH installed on my App Drive, E:\ It seems to work fine. I have an > SSD drive for C:\ and want that purely for the OS. Speed is not an issue for > FH > > > > Regards > > Don Brown > > > > On 8 December 2015 at 15:12, Beryl & Mike Tate via > <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > The manufacturer has mislead you. > You should install all programs to the SSD C: drive as they are extensions > to the OS, including FH. > > FH probably will work split across drives but I do NOT recommend it. > > AS should install to C: drive too. > > It is all your Documents and FH Projects that should be on the HDD I: drive. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I cannot explain that, unless there is something stored in the Windows Registry to identify the currently selected Property Box, which may not agree with the File Root in Focus Individual that is recorded in the Gedcom. Mike Tate _____ Subject: Re: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 Mike, Thanks for the usual very helpful and encouraging reply to my post. I will now move ahead and use the plug-in, having deleted all the data files that I have already transferred across. I have also noticed that the person in the property box is not always the same as the highlighted person in the focus window, under my quick copy across of the data files. Regards, John Bradburn. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Don, Unfortunately, not all parts of FH will have installed on your App Drive E:\. The C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\Family Historian\ data folder will be on the SSD, Many ancillary components will have been installed in C:\WINDOWS\ on the SSD. Also I suspect the C:\Program Files\Calico Pie\Family Historian PDF\ printer is on the SSD. So all you have saved is about 30 Mbytes of SSD storage space. You also run a small risk that your configuration runs into trouble, because it will never have been used by Calico Pie, or anyone else. Regards, Mike Tate _____ Subject: Re: [FHU] FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 268 I have FH installed on my App Drive, E:\ It seems to work fine. I have an SSD drive for C:\ and want that purely for the OS. Speed is not an issue for FH Regards Don Brown On 8 December 2015 at 15:12, Beryl & Mike Tate via <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: The manufacturer has mislead you. You should install all programs to the SSD C: drive as they are extensions to the OS, including FH. FH probably will work split across drives but I do NOT recommend it. AS should install to C: drive too. It is all your Documents and FH Projects that should be on the HDD I: drive. Regards, Mike Tate --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Mike That is quite correct. But I upgraded to Office 10 and that is an annual subscription (there is no other option). The only reason I upgraded was to have One Drive. Before I upgraded I was paying £4.99 a month for 200Gb on One Drive. By upgrading I got a bigger store plus the latest Office. The annual subscription id £59.95 much better value than paying the monthly charge Victor On 08/12/2015 5:22 PM, Michael Fisher via wrote: > Victor > > "If you have MS Office that means that you will be paying them an annual > subscription which will give you regular updates." > > No it doesn't, I'm using MS Office Home & Student 2007 (3 users) edition > on three Windows 10 laptops. > (PC mover'ed from old laptops) > > Regards > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Victor "If you have MS Office that means that you will be paying them an annual subscription which will give you regular updates." No it doesn't, I'm using MS Office Home & Student 2007 (3 users) edition on three Windows 10 laptops. (PC mover'ed from old laptops) Regards Mike

John If you have MS Office that means that you will be paying them an annual subscription which will give you regular updates. It also means you will have 1.5Tg space on One Drive. At least that is what I have. My FH details are in this One Drive part. This means I could access FH on any computer any where when I log in. Victor On 08/12/2015 11:18 AM, John Bradburn via wrote: > Mike, > > Thanks for this help which gives me the confidence to go ahead and > use the plug-in. > > May I ask one more question before I start. My new PC is a desktop > with two drives, something I have never had before and don't fully > understand how to live with. One drive is an SSD which is the C drive and > the other is a larger HDD which is called the I drive. I was advised by the > PC manufacturer to try to keep the operating system only, Windows 10, on the > C drive and everything else, programs and data, on the I drive. I later > found out that MS Office will only install to the C drive, so it is now > there. I then installed FH6 to the I drive, but its Program Data files have > installed themselves to the C drive so I have: > > C:>Program Data>Calico Pie>Family Historian>Many files > > I:>Program Files>Family Historian>Many files > I:>Users>John>Documents>Family Historian Projects (I will > delete these before using the plug-in) > > Is this splitting of the FH Program Files and Program Data files > between two drives OK, or do I need to get the whole thing onto one drive - > presumably the C drive - for it all to work correctly? > > Thanks and regards, John Bradburn. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > family-historian-users-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: 08 December 2015 08:01 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 268 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC > (John Bradburn) > 2. Re: Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC > (Beryl & Mike Tate) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:33:41 -0000 > From: "John Bradburn" <john@holehouse.demon.co.uk> > Subject: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC > To: <FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000001d130e3$1fe55e10$5fb01a30$@holehouse.demon.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows > 10 PC and have read the migration guide, checked that both versions of FH6 > on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore > Family Historian Settings" plug-in. > > > > I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see > no mention of Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the > recipient PC? It perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people > will now be using it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. > > > > The instructions give a frightening warning about > alterations to the registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this > plugin especially dangerous to the registry or is this the author being > extra cautious? I suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated > will have amended the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I > will have to research saving and restoring the registry as I have never done > it before. > > > > I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 > from one PC to another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file > structures or whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data > files as I have had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the > main FH6 data file across and it is apparently all there apart from the > Custom Query which I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags > against people I want to use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be > simpler to rewrite the query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the > perilous plug-in. > > > > John Bradburn > > Bradburn One-name Study > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:30:50 -0000 > From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 > PC > To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <002f01d130fb$df265190$9d72f4b0$@co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi John, your last point about moving FH is valid, but don't expect anything > to change soon. > > Sorry about not mentioning Windows 10. I will update the Help pages ASAP. > The Plugin runs perfectly on Windows 10 (it is very similar to Windows 7 & 8 > under the hood). > > The warning is cautionary and only applies to the "Restore Registry Data" > option that is disabled by default. > The Plugin only writes to the Registry in the same way that Family Historian > itself does. > But if in any way concerned, do not use that option. > > See the Plugin "Help & Advice" - "FAQ" page - Can settings be restored > without writing to the Windows Registry? > > Otherwise, the Plugin does simply copy folders from C:\ProgramData\Calico > Pie\... and elsewhere. > The Plugin "Help & Advice" for "Backup/Restore tab" explains exactly which > folders are copied. > > There is a great deal of information in the FHUG Knowledge Base on where FH > keeps its settings, and how to copy them manually. > The Plugin simply automates that process. > > Regards, Mike Tate > > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC > > I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows 10 PC and have > read the migration guide, checked that both versions of > FH6 on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore > Family Historian Settings" plug-in. > > I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see no mention of > Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the recipient PC? It > perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people will now be using > it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. > > The instructions give a frightening warning about alterations to the > registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this plugin especially > dangerous to the registry or is this the author being extra cautious? I > suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated will have amended > the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I will have to research > saving and restoring the registry as I have never done it before. > > I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 from one PC to > another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file structures or > whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data files as I have > had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the main FH6 data > file across and it is apparently all there apart from the Custom Query which > I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags against people I want to > use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be simpler to rewrite the > query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the perilous plug-in. > > John Bradburn > > Bradburn One-name Study > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS list administrator, send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS mailing list, send an email > to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the email with no additional text. > > > End of FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 268 > ******************************************************* > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, I am concerned about your remark, quoted below, which seems to refer to your Family Historian Projects, saying 'I will delete these before running the plug-in'. Perhaps I have misunderstood what you intend, but DO NOT delete your FH Projects, as that is where your data is stored! Lorna On 08/12/2015 11:18, John Bradburn via wrote: > C:>Program Data>Calico Pie>Family Historian>Many files > > I:>Program Files>Family Historian>Many files > I:>Users>John>Documents>Family Historian Projects (I will > delete these before using the plug-in) >

The manufacturer has mislead you. You should install all programs to the SSD C: drive as they are extensions to the OS, including FH. FH probably will work split across drives but I do NOT recommend it. AS should install to C: drive too. It is all your Documents and FH Projects that should be on the HDD I: drive. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Bradburn via Sent: 08 December 2015 11:19 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 268 Mike, Thanks for this help which gives me the confidence to go ahead and use the plug-in. May I ask one more question before I start. My new PC is a desktop with two drives, something I have never had before and don't fully understand how to live with. One drive is an SSD which is the C drive and the other is a larger HDD which is called the I drive. I was advised by the PC manufacturer to try to keep the operating system only, Windows 10, on the C drive and everything else, programs and data, on the I drive. I later found out that MS Office will only install to the C drive, so it is now there. I then installed FH6 to the I drive, but its Program Data files have installed themselves to the C drive so I have: C:>Program Data>Calico Pie>Family Historian>Many files I:>Program Files>Family Historian>Many files I:>Users>John>Documents>Family Historian Projects (I will delete these before using the plug-in) Is this splitting of the FH Program Files and Program Data files between two drives OK, or do I need to get the whole thing onto one drive - presumably the C drive - for it all to work correctly? Thanks and regards, John Bradburn. -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of family-historian-users-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 08 December 2015 08:01 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 268 Today's Topics: 1. Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC (John Bradburn) 2. Re: Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC (Beryl & Mike Tate) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:33:41 -0000 From: "John Bradburn" <john@holehouse.demon.co.uk> Subject: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC To: <FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001d130e3$1fe55e10$5fb01a30$@holehouse.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows 10 PC and have read the migration guide, checked that both versions of FH6 on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings" plug-in. I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see no mention of Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the recipient PC? It perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people will now be using it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. The instructions give a frightening warning about alterations to the registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this plugin especially dangerous to the registry or is this the author being extra cautious? I suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated will have amended the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I will have to research saving and restoring the registry as I have never done it before. I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 from one PC to another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file structures or whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data files as I have had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the main FH6 data file across and it is apparently all there apart from the Custom Query which I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags against people I want to use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be simpler to rewrite the query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the perilous plug-in. John Bradburn Bradburn One-name Study ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:30:50 -0000 From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> Subject: Re: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002f01d130fb$df265190$9d72f4b0$@co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi John, your last point about moving FH is valid, but don't expect anything to change soon. Sorry about not mentioning Windows 10. I will update the Help pages ASAP. The Plugin runs perfectly on Windows 10 (it is very similar to Windows 7 & 8 under the hood). The warning is cautionary and only applies to the "Restore Registry Data" option that is disabled by default. The Plugin only writes to the Registry in the same way that Family Historian itself does. But if in any way concerned, do not use that option. See the Plugin "Help & Advice" - "FAQ" page - Can settings be restored without writing to the Windows Registry? Otherwise, the Plugin does simply copy folders from C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\... and elsewhere. The Plugin "Help & Advice" for "Backup/Restore tab" explains exactly which folders are copied. There is a great deal of information in the FHUG Knowledge Base on where FH keeps its settings, and how to copy them manually. The Plugin simply automates that process. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows 10 PC and have read the migration guide, checked that both versions of FH6 on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings" plug-in. I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see no mention of Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the recipient PC? It perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people will now be using it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. The instructions give a frightening warning about alterations to the registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this plugin especially dangerous to the registry or is this the author being extra cautious? I suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated will have amended the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I will have to research saving and restoring the registry as I have never done it before. I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 from one PC to another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file structures or whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data files as I have had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the main FH6 data file across and it is apparently all there apart from the Custom Query which I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags against people I want to use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be simpler to rewrite the query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the perilous plug-in. John Bradburn Bradburn One-name Study ------------------------------ To contact the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS list administrator, send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS mailing list, send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Mike, Thanks for this help which gives me the confidence to go ahead and use the plug-in. May I ask one more question before I start. My new PC is a desktop with two drives, something I have never had before and don't fully understand how to live with. One drive is an SSD which is the C drive and the other is a larger HDD which is called the I drive. I was advised by the PC manufacturer to try to keep the operating system only, Windows 10, on the C drive and everything else, programs and data, on the I drive. I later found out that MS Office will only install to the C drive, so it is now there. I then installed FH6 to the I drive, but its Program Data files have installed themselves to the C drive so I have: C:>Program Data>Calico Pie>Family Historian>Many files I:>Program Files>Family Historian>Many files I:>Users>John>Documents>Family Historian Projects (I will delete these before using the plug-in) Is this splitting of the FH Program Files and Program Data files between two drives OK, or do I need to get the whole thing onto one drive - presumably the C drive - for it all to work correctly? Thanks and regards, John Bradburn. -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of family-historian-users-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 08 December 2015 08:01 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 268 Today's Topics: 1. Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC (John Bradburn) 2. Re: Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC (Beryl & Mike Tate) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 11:33:41 -0000 From: "John Bradburn" <john@holehouse.demon.co.uk> Subject: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC To: <FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001d130e3$1fe55e10$5fb01a30$@holehouse.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows 10 PC and have read the migration guide, checked that both versions of FH6 on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings" plug-in. I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see no mention of Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the recipient PC? It perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people will now be using it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. The instructions give a frightening warning about alterations to the registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this plugin especially dangerous to the registry or is this the author being extra cautious? I suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated will have amended the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I will have to research saving and restoring the registry as I have never done it before. I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 from one PC to another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file structures or whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data files as I have had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the main FH6 data file across and it is apparently all there apart from the Custom Query which I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags against people I want to use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be simpler to rewrite the query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the perilous plug-in. John Bradburn Bradburn One-name Study ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 14:30:50 -0000 From: "Beryl & Mike Tate" <post@tatewise.co.uk> Subject: Re: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <002f01d130fb$df265190$9d72f4b0$@co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi John, your last point about moving FH is valid, but don't expect anything to change soon. Sorry about not mentioning Windows 10. I will update the Help pages ASAP. The Plugin runs perfectly on Windows 10 (it is very similar to Windows 7 & 8 under the hood). The warning is cautionary and only applies to the "Restore Registry Data" option that is disabled by default. The Plugin only writes to the Registry in the same way that Family Historian itself does. But if in any way concerned, do not use that option. See the Plugin "Help & Advice" - "FAQ" page - Can settings be restored without writing to the Windows Registry? Otherwise, the Plugin does simply copy folders from C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\... and elsewhere. The Plugin "Help & Advice" for "Backup/Restore tab" explains exactly which folders are copied. There is a great deal of information in the FHUG Knowledge Base on where FH keeps its settings, and how to copy them manually. The Plugin simply automates that process. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows 10 PC and have read the migration guide, checked that both versions of FH6 on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings" plug-in. I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see no mention of Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the recipient PC? It perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people will now be using it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. The instructions give a frightening warning about alterations to the registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this plugin especially dangerous to the registry or is this the author being extra cautious? I suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated will have amended the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I will have to research saving and restoring the registry as I have never done it before. I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 from one PC to another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file structures or whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data files as I have had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the main FH6 data file across and it is apparently all there apart from the Custom Query which I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags against people I want to use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be simpler to rewrite the query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the perilous plug-in. John Bradburn Bradburn One-name Study ------------------------------ To contact the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS list administrator, send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS mailing list, send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Hi John, your last point about moving FH is valid, but don't expect anything to change soon. Sorry about not mentioning Windows 10. I will update the Help pages ASAP. The Plugin runs perfectly on Windows 10 (it is very similar to Windows 7 & 8 under the hood). The warning is cautionary and only applies to the "Restore Registry Data" option that is disabled by default. The Plugin only writes to the Registry in the same way that Family Historian itself does. But if in any way concerned, do not use that option. See the Plugin "Help & Advice" - "FAQ" page - Can settings be restored without writing to the Windows Registry? Otherwise, the Plugin does simply copy folders from C:\ProgramData\Calico Pie\... and elsewhere. The Plugin "Help & Advice" for "Backup/Restore tab" explains exactly which folders are copied. There is a great deal of information in the FHUG Knowledge Base on where FH keeps its settings, and how to copy them manually. The Plugin simply automates that process. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- Subject: [FHU] Migrating FH6 from a Windows 7 PC to a Windows 10 PC I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows 10 PC and have read the migration guide, checked that both versions of FH6 on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings" plug-in. I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see no mention of Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the recipient PC? It perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people will now be using it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. The instructions give a frightening warning about alterations to the registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this plugin especially dangerous to the registry or is this the author being extra cautious? I suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated will have amended the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I will have to research saving and restoring the registry as I have never done it before. I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 from one PC to another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file structures or whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data files as I have had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the main FH6 data file across and it is apparently all there apart from the Custom Query which I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags against people I want to use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be simpler to rewrite the query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the perilous plug-in. John Bradburn Bradburn One-name Study

I am in the process of moving everything to my new Windows 10 PC and have read the migration guide, checked that both versions of FH6 on old and new PCs are the same and downloaded the "Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings" plug-in. I may not have read the instructions properly, but I can see no mention of Windows 10. Does the plug-in work OK with Windows 10 on the recipient PC? It perhaps should be added to the instructions as most people will now be using it to move to Windows 10 and may ask the same question. The instructions give a frightening warning about alterations to the registry which stopped me from moving ahead. Is this plugin especially dangerous to the registry or is this the author being extra cautious? I suppose that most of the other programs I have migrated will have amended the registry but I have seen no other such warnings. I will have to research saving and restoring the registry as I have never done it before. I will separately write to Calico Pie to say that moving FH6 from one PC to another is too fraught and that they need to alter the file structures or whatever to make it a simple copy and paste of the main data files as I have had to do for all other programs. I tried just copying the main FH6 data file across and it is apparently all there apart from the Custom Query which I use all the time and the 2000 or so record flags against people I want to use the Custom query on. I am thinking it could be simpler to rewrite the query and reflag all the people, thus avoiding the perilous plug-in. John Bradburn Bradburn One-name Study

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Sorry Eric one thing wrong in your last email. To vote in a general election in this country you need to be a citizen of the United Kingdom or of the Republic of Ireland (Eire), or qualifying commonwealth country., so nationals of other countries can appear on the register. It is also a legal requirement that you appear on the register as it is used by other organisations to verify your address, these organisations are banks, credit rating agencies etc. If a local council wanted to get really heavy with it residents, they can take someone to court for failing to fill in the electoral registration, it is a finable offence. I have never heard of a council that has taken someone to court over it though To vote in local elections the following from electoral registration website. Citizens of EU countries other than the UK, the Republic of Ireland, Cyprus and Malta cannot vote in UK Parliamentary general elections, but can vote at local government elections, Scottish Parliamentary elections if they are registered in Scotland, National Assembly for Wales elections if they are registered in Wales and Greater London Authority elections if they are registered in London. They can also vote at European Parliamentary elections if they fill in a form stating that they wish to vote in the UK and not in their home country. Also when looking at the electoral registers, remember that there are two versions one the full version, which does not get published, and the commercial version which is the one that councils can sell to companies for marketing purposes. People have the right to opt out appearing in the commercial version hence the reason why you may not necessary see all the properties in a road. Regards Dave -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ericpfrith via Sent: 30 November 2015 22:51 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role I’ve been involved in electoral registration canvassing for many years, and also been in the position of having privileged access to the full register, and it’s been a bit of an eye-opener. Whilst the register is useful as an indicator of the people associated with a property, it cannot be regarded as definitive proof of residence. Firstly, there is the question of entitlement to vote – to take part in elections in the UK you have to be a citizen of an EU country, so nationals of other countries should not appear in the register. Secondly, if you live at more than one address, and spend about the same amount of time at each address, you can register to vote at each of those addresses, but you can only vote once at each election – a General Election counts as one election, but if you have homes in areas covered by different councils you can vote at each of those councils’ elections. Thirdly, if someone wants to ‘disappear’ they often don’t want to advertise their presence at an address and, as a consequence, don’t return the form, so gaps appear in the register. In order to plug these gaps, there has been a tendency in the past for councils to roll forward the previous year’s data, potentially resulting in the previous occupiers’ details appearing in the register for years after they moved out. As I said, the register can be a useful, but don’t rely too much on it. Eric From: Adrian Bruce via Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:16 PM To: Jane Merkel ; Family Historian UG Mailing List Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role I get a form every year to confirm that the details are the same, or someone is to be added, or to be removed. There is a service available as an "add-on" to the registration of a death, that cancels the electoral registration of the deceased - though this is recent. What the situation was in history, I don't know. Adrian On 30 November 2015 at 14:19, Jane Merkel via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ... Does one has to register every year or does one remain registered > at a certain address until the registration is actively cancelled > when, for example, one moves house?.... > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ___________________________________________ This email has been scanned by iomartcloud. http://www.iomartcloud.com/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___________________________________________ This email has been scanned by iomartcloud. http://www.iomartcloud.com/

Thanks to Jan, Lorna, Adrian and Eric (inside information) for their input on this subject. Seemingly, the registers can easily reflect a false situation as in the 1960s in my case. Jane Merkel -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Jane Merkel via Gesendet: Montag, 30. November 2015 15:19 An: 'Jan Murphy'; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role Hello Jan This was interesting reading form me; I always thought that the qualifying address was the place where the person lives. This possible discrepancy would perhaps explain a mystery concerning the house where I lived in as a child: Apart from my parents, there was another man registered at "our" qualifying address. After a couple of years, a further name was added, the man's wife presumably. This man and his wife were definitely not living in our house and the names mean nothing to me i.e. not family or friends of my parents. I now wonder if this man was the owner of the house and that my parents were renting. Is there anyone who could comment on this? I have a further question regarding the electoral role, never having lived in England as an adult: Does one has to register every year or does one remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively cancelled when, for example, one moves house? Jane Merkel #14968 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Jan Murphy via Gesendet: Samstag, 28. November 2015 01:49 An: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role A caution for FH users who (like me) are relatively inexperienced at using Electoral Rolls -- often the qualifying address that gave someone the right to vote is not the same as the property at which they resided. It pays to scroll up to the top of the image and read the column headers, so that if you plan to enter a residence fact, you are looking at the proper column in the Electoral Roll. I have collected quite a few images, but I haven't yet determined which fact to use to enter the ownership of the qualifying property when it is not the same as the abode. I do want to keep track of those addresses as well, because they can be valuable clues about a family's migration or to identify that this is the individual you want in a group of same-name search results. Jan Murphy On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:13 AM, John Ellis via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi > I'm entering information from the electoral role for a family. > > Normally I would use residence for this purpose. I normally copy the > residence fact to each of the people living at that address > > However, I note that the sentence template now reads: "{date} > {individual} lived at {address} {place} <with {other=resident}>"; I've > added the address field. > > What I don't understand is how the "<with {other=resident}>" part of > the sentence template works. Where do you enter the "Other Resident" e.g. > husband and wife at the same address. > > Many thanks > > John > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I’ve been involved in electoral registration canvassing for many years, and also been in the position of having privileged access to the full register, and it’s been a bit of an eye-opener. Whilst the register is useful as an indicator of the people associated with a property, it cannot be regarded as definitive proof of residence. Firstly, there is the question of entitlement to vote – to take part in elections in the UK you have to be a citizen of an EU country, so nationals of other countries should not appear in the register. Secondly, if you live at more than one address, and spend about the same amount of time at each address, you can register to vote at each of those addresses, but you can only vote once at each election – a General Election counts as one election, but if you have homes in areas covered by different councils you can vote at each of those councils’ elections. Thirdly, if someone wants to ‘disappear’ they often don’t want to advertise their presence at an address and, as a consequence, don’t return the form, so gaps appear in the register. In order to plug these gaps, there has been a tendency in the past for councils to roll forward the previous year’s data, potentially resulting in the previous occupiers’ details appearing in the register for years after they moved out. As I said, the register can be a useful, but don’t rely too much on it. Eric From: Adrian Bruce via Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:16 PM To: Jane Merkel ; Family Historian UG Mailing List Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role I get a form every year to confirm that the details are the same, or someone is to be added, or to be removed. There is a service available as an "add-on" to the registration of a death, that cancels the electoral registration of the deceased - though this is recent. What the situation was in history, I don't know. Adrian On 30 November 2015 at 14:19, Jane Merkel via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ... Does one has to register every year or does one > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > cancelled when, for example, one moves house?.... > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 30/11/2015 20:16, Adrian Bruce via wrote: > ..... What the situation was in history, I don't know. > I don't know how often the lists were updated in years gone by, but they were certainly complicated before the days of universal franchise. For example: For 1894-5 I have found my great-great grandfather on two electoral registers. He owned his property and lived in it, so both the registers relate to the same address. One is a register of 'Ownership Electors' for the purposes of Parliamentary and Parochial elections. His qualification for this was ownership of a freehold house. (His abode was recorded as the same place, but there were some others on the list whose abode was elsewhere. Those people presumably had two votes, one in each place.) The other list is of 'Occupation Electors (other than Lodgers)' for the purposes of County and Parochial elections but not Parliamentary elections. This list includes not only my great-great grandfather but also his wife, so evidently women could vote in local elections then, even though they couldn't vote in Parliamentary elections. But because my gr.gr. grandfather was already on the first list which included Parochial electors his name has a cross beside it in the second list to indicate 'Not entitled to vote as a Parochial Elector in respect of this entry' to stop him voting twice in parochial elections. The question arises, when is a lodger not a lodger? It seems lodgers couldn't vote at all, but we all know from censuses that a household often included members of the extended family. Sometimes they were recorded in censuses as lodgers, sometimes as 'great uncle' or 'brother-in-law'..... Lorna

I get a form every year to confirm that the details are the same, or someone is to be added, or to be removed. There is a service available as an "add-on" to the registration of a death, that cancels the electoral registration of the deceased - though this is recent. What the situation was in history, I don't know. Adrian On 30 November 2015 at 14:19, Jane Merkel via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > ... Does one has to register every year or does one > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > cancelled when, for example, one moves house?.... >

I have checked to register for my parents. I did not know when they had moved to the house I was born in. I do know now it was not at the time the register was prepared. They lived at another address, which I knew of. They rented this address and my father was listed as the head of house. Strangely my mother was also listed. I put this down to the fact that my mother was his second wife and my father had children from both marriages. Alternatively it could be due to the premises being a shop and my father was the manager with his family living above the shop. That would explain why both names were listed. I only had a look at the preview and have not bought a copy of the register. Victor On 30/11/2015 2:19 PM, Jane Merkel via wrote: > Hello Jan > > This was interesting reading form me; I always thought that the qualifying > address was the place where the person lives. This possible discrepancy > would perhaps explain a mystery concerning the house where I lived in as a > child: Apart from my parents, there was another man registered at "our" > qualifying address. After a couple of years, a further name was added, the > man's wife presumably. This man and his wife were definitely not living in > our house and the names mean nothing to me i.e. not family or friends of my > parents. I now wonder if this man was the owner of the house and that my > parents were renting. Is there anyone who could comment on this? > > I have a further question regarding the electoral role, never having lived > in England as an adult: Does one has to register every year or does one > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > cancelled when, for example, one moves house? > > Jane Merkel > #14968 > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Jan > Murphy via > Gesendet: Samstag, 28. November 2015 01:49 > An: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Betreff: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role > > A caution for FH users who (like me) are relatively inexperienced at using > Electoral Rolls -- often the qualifying address that gave someone the right > to vote is not the same as the property at which they resided. It pays to > scroll up to the top of the image and read the column headers, so that if > you plan to enter a residence fact, you are looking at the proper column in > the Electoral Roll. > > I have collected quite a few images, but I haven't yet determined which fact > to use to enter the ownership of the qualifying property when it is not the > same as the abode. I do want to keep track of those addresses as well, > because they can be valuable clues about a family's migration or to identify > that this is the individual you want in a group of same-name search results. > > Jan Murphy > > > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:13 AM, John Ellis via < > family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi >> I'm entering information from the electoral role for a family. >> >> Normally I would use residence for this purpose. I normally copy the >> residence fact to each of the people living at that address >> >> However, I note that the sentence template now reads: "{date} >> {individual} lived at {address} {place} <with {other=resident}>"; I've >> added the address field. >> >> What I don't understand is how the "<with {other=resident}>" part of >> the sentence template works. Where do you enter the "Other Resident" e.g. >> husband and wife at the same address. >> >> Many thanks >> >> John >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eric wrote " In order to plug these gaps, there has been a tendency in the past for councils to roll forward the previous year’s data, potentially resulting in the previous occupiers’ details appearing in the register for years after they moved out." The same thing happens in US City Directories, and I make notes to this effect in Family Historian. I also mark all the dates in FH with estimate/approximate to take into account the time the directory is 'put to bed' or variations in the way the directory is dated. Jan Murphy packrat74@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 2:51 PM, ericpfrith via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I’ve been involved in electoral registration canvassing for many years, > and also been in the position of having privileged access to the full > register, and it’s been a bit of an eye-opener. Whilst the register is > useful as an indicator of the people associated with a property, it cannot > be regarded as definitive proof of residence. > > Firstly, there is the question of entitlement to vote – to take part in > elections in the UK you have to be a citizen of an EU country, so nationals > of other countries should not appear in the register. > > Secondly, if you live at more than one address, and spend about the same > amount of time at each address, you can register to vote at each of those > addresses, but you can only vote once at each election – a General Election > counts as one election, but if you have homes in areas covered by different > councils you can vote at each of those councils’ elections. > > Thirdly, if someone wants to ‘disappear’ they often don’t want to > advertise their presence at an address and, as a consequence, don’t return > the form, so gaps appear in the register. In order to plug these gaps, > there has been a tendency in the past for councils to roll forward the > previous year’s data, potentially resulting in the previous occupiers’ > details appearing in the register for years after they moved out. > > As I said, the register can be a useful, but don’t rely too much on it. > > Eric > > > From: Adrian Bruce via > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:16 PM > To: Jane Merkel ; Family Historian UG Mailing List > Subject: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role > > I get a form every year to confirm that the details are the same, or > someone is to be added, or to be removed. > > There is a service available as an "add-on" to the registration of a death, > that cancels the electoral registration of the deceased - though this is > recent. > > What the situation was in history, I don't know. > > Adrian > > On 30 November 2015 at 14:19, Jane Merkel via < > family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > ... Does one has to register every year or does one > > remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively > > cancelled when, for example, one moves house?.... > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Jan This was interesting reading form me; I always thought that the qualifying address was the place where the person lives. This possible discrepancy would perhaps explain a mystery concerning the house where I lived in as a child: Apart from my parents, there was another man registered at "our" qualifying address. After a couple of years, a further name was added, the man's wife presumably. This man and his wife were definitely not living in our house and the names mean nothing to me i.e. not family or friends of my parents. I now wonder if this man was the owner of the house and that my parents were renting. Is there anyone who could comment on this? I have a further question regarding the electoral role, never having lived in England as an adult: Does one has to register every year or does one remain registered at a certain address until the registration is actively cancelled when, for example, one moves house? Jane Merkel #14968 -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] Im Auftrag von Jan Murphy via Gesendet: Samstag, 28. November 2015 01:49 An: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [FHU] Entering from electoral role A caution for FH users who (like me) are relatively inexperienced at using Electoral Rolls -- often the qualifying address that gave someone the right to vote is not the same as the property at which they resided. It pays to scroll up to the top of the image and read the column headers, so that if you plan to enter a residence fact, you are looking at the proper column in the Electoral Roll. I have collected quite a few images, but I haven't yet determined which fact to use to enter the ownership of the qualifying property when it is not the same as the abode. I do want to keep track of those addresses as well, because they can be valuable clues about a family's migration or to identify that this is the individual you want in a group of same-name search results. Jan Murphy On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 7:13 AM, John Ellis via < family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi > I'm entering information from the electoral role for a family. > > Normally I would use residence for this purpose. I normally copy the > residence fact to each of the people living at that address > > However, I note that the sentence template now reads: "{date} > {individual} lived at {address} {place} <with {other=resident}>"; I've > added the address field. > > What I don't understand is how the "<with {other=resident}>" part of > the sentence template works. Where do you enter the "Other Resident" e.g. > husband and wife at the same address. > > Many thanks > > John > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message