Mike Many thanks for the additional help and the reference to the Help section – the birth dates are now fine. However the more I tinker the more complexities appear! I now have those people who have neither birth nor death dates (eg a distant spouse) having a hyphen showing up and nothing more – perfectly logical from what the text scheme is now specifying. I have tried amending the text scheme (eg by ticking the box marked No Data and then leaving the adjacent box blank or by putting in =IfText at the start of the text) but have not been successful. I am just beginning to come to grips with the language used in these text schemes but suspect I need something more sophisticated along the lines of If X then Y If Not X then Z. I have seen the references to Bool(ean) but can’t see how I should proceed. Rather than having to bother you again one way to try to tackle the problem would be to see the detailed structure of LifeDates but I don’t know where this is easily available. Joan

Joan Replace the elusive hyphen '-' with =ForceText("-") which will force the hyphen '-' to appear unconditionally. The reason the '-' sometimes does not appear is the same reason that ' in ' does not appear in front of say %INDI.DEAT.PLAC% if there is no Place. See FH Help > Search tab > enter Understanding Text Templates > click List Topics button > click on Understanding Text Templates in Title list > click Display button. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of stevens@nwthree.demon.co.uk Sent: 12 August 2011 21:11 To: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Estimated dates Jane and Mike I am sorry to trouble you again after you very kindly provided me with a custom text scheme. I have the text you gave me (without the provision for an estimated year of death because I do not have any of these): %INDI.BIRT.DATE:YEAR%=TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "calculated","(est)","")-%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR% However people for whom I have only a birth year and not a death year the birth year shows up only as XXXX or XXXX(est) as appropriate. It would obviously be less ambiguous as XXXX- or XXXX(est)- . However where I have only a death year it does show up correctly as -YYYY . I would be grateful to know what extra line(s) I should put in the text scheme. Joan

Jane and Mike I am sorry to trouble you again after you very kindly provided me with a custom text scheme. I have the text you gave me (without the provision for an estimated year of death because I do not have any of these): %INDI.BIRT.DATE:YEAR%=TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "calculated","(est)","")-%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR% However people for whom I have only a birth year and not a death year the birth year shows up only as XXXX or XXXX(est) as appropriate. It would obviously be less ambiguous as XXXX- or XXXX(est)- . However where I have only a death year it does show up correctly as -YYYY . I would be grateful to know what extra line(s) I should put in the text scheme. Joan

Message-IDs: <CAKBTZLrhVkzYVUDETy+hsRwBhvt431XvVg4XGFCd_yJgW3f6pw@mail.gmail.com> <000301cc54e8$fc690a70$f53b1f50$@co.uk> <<snippet>> Could some kind person please show me how to make an addition to the layout of the property box. I would like to add an extra line with 2 items, just below the last item -- "Note". I would like it to look something like this: Note: [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Last Updated: [ 6/8/2011 ] Update Note: [.......... Text........ ] <<snippet>> Jane & Mike: Thank you both for providing me with 2 possible ways to modify my property box. Jane: I agree completely with your comment: "You should never record information in the wrong fields as if you share your file at any point you will cause problems for the next person." I did this only as a temporary measure until I could figure out the correct way to do it. It has now been corrected. Mike: I ended up using your suggestion as it was so simple, took me less than 5 minutes to comprehend and install. As a result I now have a much better understanding of the Data Reference Assistant and how to select each of the many options -- most of which I was not aware of. Thank you. Roger Reavill

Thanks Peter. Obvious when you know. Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of P.Evans Sent: 11 August 2011 18:07 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] No Children from marriage Martin, On the Property dialogue for the family right click on the name of the couple, then drop down to "add miscellaneous" then to "add count of children". Peter E ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Martin, On the Property dialogue for the family right click on the name of the couple, then drop down to "add miscellaneous" then to "add count of children". Peter E

I can't find anywhere to set no. of children to 0. Where is Miscellaneous? Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane Taubman Sent: 11 August 2011 14:11 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] No Children from marriage On diagrams make sure you have No Offspring Marker ticked and set the number of children for the family to zero (on the all tab) against the family record in Miscellaneous, or add it as a field to the Property box if you need to use it a lot. On 11 August 2011 11:18, Karen Gardner <karenndean@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I am convinced I had something that underpinned the boxes of both spouses > to > effectively draw a line under them. > -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As Jane says, it sounds lik you want the No-Offspring Marker. If you click the Help button in the Diagram Options dialog when viewing the General tab, it tells you exactly what the No-offspring Marker does and how to use it. Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Gardner" <karenndean@ntlworld.com> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:18 AM Subject: [FHU] No Children from marriage > Morning all, > > > > I know there was a thread recently about marking someone as not having any > children (I apologise, I cant seem to find it now). > > I was wondering if anyone knew of a way of marking a marriage with a flag > rather than a person. I am sure that I had something before, but when my > PC > crashed some time ago, I lost all my custom settings and had to re-create > everything. > > I am convinced I had something that underpinned the boxes of both spouses > to > effectively draw a line under them. > > > > Any help gratefully received. > > > > Thanks > > Karen > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On diagrams make sure you have No Offspring Marker ticked and set the number of children for the family to zero (on the all tab) against the family record in Miscellaneous, or add it as a field to the Property box if you need to use it a lot. On 11 August 2011 11:18, Karen Gardner <karenndean@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I am convinced I had something that underpinned the boxes of both spouses > to > effectively draw a line under them. > -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Morning all, I know there was a thread recently about marking someone as not having any children (I apologise, I cant seem to find it now). I was wondering if anyone knew of a way of marking a marriage with a flag rather than a person. I am sure that I had something before, but when my PC crashed some time ago, I lost all my custom settings and had to re-create everything. I am convinced I had something that underpinned the boxes of both spouses to effectively draw a line under them. Any help gratefully received. Thanks Karen

Hi Jane, Many thanks for the suggestion. Julie : > >> Has anyone found a suitable icon to mark a box for someone who never >> married and never had children? >> > > > what about > http://www.openclipart.org/detail/70063/no-baby-carriage.-no-baby-buggy.-by-ehecatl1138 > > Open Clipart is a great place for all sorts of icons when you download if > you type a size in the input box it will provide any of the images the > size > you ask for. > > -- > Jane. > > Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On 9 August 2011 16:50, Julie Hill <JulieHill187@orangehome.co.uk> wrote: > Has anyone found a suitable icon to mark a box for someone who never > married and never had children? > what about http://www.openclipart.org/detail/70063/no-baby-carriage.-no-baby-buggy.-by-ehecatl1138 Open Clipart is a great place for all sorts of icons when you download if you type a size in the input box it will provide any of the images the size you ask for. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Hello all, Has anyone found a suitable icon to mark a box for someone who never married and never had children? I'm using the 'No-Entry' sign for a flag called 'never married' at the moment :) This is when I am certain of these facts, and need it to be clear on a diagram. What I would like is a separate flag for each as obviously some people married but didn't have children - this helps me when I'm eliminating people from research. I'm not sure what I'm expecting - a gold ring with a cross through it or similar, and a baby with a line or cross through it too? I've downloaded loads of icons from the FHUG page, but haven't found anything yet. If anyone is interested I've also created other box conditions - I've set up a flag called 'Died Young' i.e. under 16, and I use a shadow around the boxes to signify this. Also I've created a flag called 'Contacts' and have set up the box condition to have a yellow line around it - that way I can easily see where my contacts are in a tree. Many thanks Julie

Jane and Mike Many thanks for the individualised text scheme – and for the extra tip about the ‘calculated’/‘estimated’ bug. I have successfully inserted it. Joan

<<snippet>> I have been asked to handwrite (!) my ancestors into a ready-prepared book by my husband and so, in order to do this easily, I want to take myself as Root on my FH database and print out in one Report each of my family lines as far back as I have entered, which is in several cases is more than the 5 generations back on offer. I don't seem able to change this number of generations, whereas if I am doing a Descendant Report I can print out any number of generations and change the number easily before I do so. <<snippet>> "Reports > Narrative Reports > Ancestors/Descendants by Generation" do not seem to have any limit on generations. "Reports > Outline Reports > Ancestor/Descendant Outline" need the "Options" Main tab Generations value increased as necessary. Regards, Mike Tate

I am not sure what the problem is the method is the same, select Ancestors by Generation, and select as many generations as you want on the Report options. Alternately, select Individual summary and then use the Ancestors Query to select all your ancestors. On 8 August 2011 17:03, val wylie <val@gauld.co.uk> wrote: > I have been asked to handwrite (!) my ancestors into a ready-prepared book > by my husband and so, in order to do this easily, I want to take myself as > Root on my FH database and print out in one Report each of my family lines > as far back as I have entered, which is in several cases is more than the 5 > generations back on offer. > -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

I have been asked to handwrite (!) my ancestors into a ready-prepared book by my husband and so, in order to do this easily, I want to take myself as Root on my FH database and print out in one Report each of my family lines as far back as I have entered, which is in several cases is more than the 5 generations back on offer. I don't seem able to change this number of generations, whereas if I am doing a Descendant Report I can print out any number of generations and change the number easily before I do so. Any advance on the Index generating facility for FH Reports? Regards, Val Wylie

<<snippet>> I am preparing a large family tree diagram and using the census have a number of birth dates which I have categorised as estimated (I think it better to use estimated rather than calculated as although a particular year is the more likely year it could be the following year). When I use the Birth, Marriage, Death group of Text Schemes these dates show up as, say, 1853 (est) but when I use the Names, Dates group it shows up as 1853?. I have put together my own custom scheme based on the Names, Dates group as I am trying to reduce the space the boxes require. But I cannot see how to get rid of the question mark and put in the (est) instead <<snippet>> Assuming you want the Life Dates format of DoB-DoD you could use: %INDI.BIRT.DATE:COMPACT%-%INDI.DEAT.DATE:COMPACT% But this would include the full date of birth/death and not just the year. You could use Jane's suggestion: %INDI.BIRT.DATE:YEAR% =TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE%="calculated","(est)","")-%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR% =TextIf(%INDI.DEAT.DATE:XDATETYPE%="calculated","(est)","") Note the change from 'Estimated' to 'calculated' to cater for a bug in FH that swaps XDATETYPE calculated & estimated around. The relationships are: Date Type :XDATETYPE (estimated) calculated (approx.) approx (calculated) estimated Regards, Mike Tate

On 7 August 2011 19:08, <stevens@nwthree.demon.co.uk> wrote: > But I cannot see how to get rid of the question mark and put in the (est) > instead You could show the year eg %INDI.BIRT[1].DATE:YEAR% and add this =TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Estimated","(est)","") Giving Born: %INDI.BIRT[1].DATE:YEAR%=TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Estimated","(est)","") in %INDI.BIRT.PLAC:TIDY% If you use the other qualifiers you can add them by adding extra textif functions. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

I am preparing a large family tree diagram and using the census have a number of birth dates which I have categorised as estimated (I think it better to use estimated rather than calculated as although a particular year is the more likely year it could be the following year). When I use the ‘Birth, Marriage, Death’ group of Text Schemes these dates show up as, say, 1853 (est) but when I use the ‘Names, Dates’ group it shows up as 1853?. I have put together my own custom scheme based on the ‘Names, Dates’ group as I am trying to reduce the space the boxes require. But I cannot see how to get rid of the question mark and put in the (est) instead – I feel that (est) rather than a question mark shows that there is a better degree of certainty about the date. I suspect it cannot be done having looked at the Date Format section in the Help section – but if it can I would be grateful for a simple explanation as to how to do it as I am not a programmer! Joan