Martin, Named lists can only have one copy of each record so you can't add the same person twice, I am not clear as to why you are adding the individuals to a named list. Perhaps if you explain why you are adding them to the list it will become clear as to what you are trying to achieve. On 6 November 2011 13:14, Martin Mitchell <magmart@talktalk.net> wrote: > but now I find myself with a second marriage which, to my simple mind, calls for a > second entry of the name of one of the parties. > FH politely ignores any attempt to do this. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

You should not create a second entry for the Individual who has married twice. Genealogy programs like FH keep all the info about one person in one Record. So, open the Property Box of the Individual who has married for a 2nd time. About halfway down where it says Spouse, there is tab for the existing Spouse and a blank tab. Click on the blank tab and then click the Add Spouse/Partner pale blue link. You can either Create New Record or Link Existing Record of the 2nd Spouse. Having completed that, if the Spouse tabs are in the wrong order, then use the right to swap them round. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Mitchell Sent: 06 November 2011 13:15 To: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] v3.1.2 Named list for marriages I have a small problem with a second marriage. Normally I enter both parties to the marriage into the named list, but now I find myself with a second marriage which, to my simple mind, calls for a second entry of the name of one of the parties. FH politely ignores any attempt to do this. I have consulted the Manual, and online FAQs, without enlightenment. If there is a neat way of doing this, I'd be glad to know it. Anything more complex than basic-basic is out, and I can live with three names in the list instead of four. Maybe my logic is at fault. Martin Mitchell.

I have a small problem with a second marriage. Normally I enter both parties to the marriage into the named list, but now I find myself with a second marriage which, to my simple mind, calls for a second entry of the name of one of the parties. FH politely ignores any attempt to do this. I have consulted the Manual, and online FAQs, without enlightenment. If there is a neat way of doing this, I'd be glad to know it. Anything more complex than basic-basic is out, and I can live with three names in the list instead of four. Maybe my logic is at fault. Martin Mitchell.

To Andrea and all who offered advice, many thanks. How the preference got changed I have no idea, but its ticked and working again. Sue Howard -----Original Message----- From: Andrea Kent Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:59 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Go to Tools Preferences Backup Tick 'prompt for backup on exit' Regards, Andrea

Thanks, everyone. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: David Banks Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 7:56 PM To: victor@markham.me.uk ; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Hi Setting FH to do backups is: Preferences/Backup. It was a long time before I realised that FH wasn't backing up my data. I interpreted the option 'Prompt for Backup on exit' was to enable you to change the destination of the backup or choose not to do a backup. I think this label should be changed to something like 'Perform backups on exit'. It's further misleading because it doesn't 'grey out' the following prompt if you don't check the previous box. David -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of victor@markham.me.uk Sent: 03 November 2011 19:15 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility You have to set this up. I am away at the moment but think you need to go to options to find the back up details. You have put a tick in the box if you want reminders Victor Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Dennis Hawkins" <dennis.hawkins138@btinternet.com> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:06:18 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility I too have noticed I no longer get asked if I want to make a backup. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: Susan Howard Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:44 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Dear Mike I see in answer to some one else's query you answered. ' Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? ' This is what always happened to me, I was asked if I wanted to create a backup, some how the last couple of times I closed FH it is not asking. It just closes. I have checked that the Gedcom file has been updated, but would be happier if I also had the zipfile backup. Have i inadvertently changed an option somewhere? Best wishes Sue Howard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You need to add a new spouse to the mother for the unknown father by dragging the mouse from the mother's box on the opposite side to her existing husband. Then you can add the child to the new couple in the conventional way. Set the unknown father's name as /Unknown/ or /?/ or whatever you prefer, and if you ever discover any more details they can be added later. I was in a similar position with a fostered father-in-law with only his mother known initially, but eventually some institutional records for the birth came to light where the father was partially named along with other facts. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Hawkins Sent: 04 November 2011 20:09 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Unlinking child On the diagram, how do I link a child to his mother but not to her husband? (The child was born before they married, father unknown). Regards Dennis Hawkins ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the diagram, how do I link a child to his mother but not to her husband? (The child was born before they married, father unknown). Regards Dennis Hawkins

The "Prompt for Backup on Exit" option in Preferences (Backup tab) is perhaps a little misleading - as is the Help. Even if this option is checked, you will only be prompted to backup on exit if you have made changes to your data. We should probably make this clearer. Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer

Sue, The option you have probably "inadvertently changed" is in the 'Backup Family Tree File?' popup box on closing FH. There is an 'Always Prompt for Backup On Exit' tick option, which if unticked will inhibit future backups. As others have said, to restore the Backup Prompt use Tools > Preferences > Backup and tick the options. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Howard Sent: 03 November 2011 16:45 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Dear Mike I see in answer to some one else's query you answered. ' Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? ' This is what always happened to me, I was asked if I wanted to create a backup, some how the last couple of times I closed FH it is not asking. It just closes. I have checked that the Gedcom file has been updated, but would be happier if I also had the zipfile backup. Have i inadvertently changed an option somewhere? Best wishes Sue Howard

Go to  Tools Preferences Backup Tick 'prompt for backup on exit'   Regards, Andrea ________________________________ From: "victor@markham.me.uk" <victor@markham.me.uk> To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011, 19:14 Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility You have to set this up. I am away at the moment but think you need to go to options to find the back up details. You have put a tick in the box if you want reminders Victor Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Dennis Hawkins" <dennis.hawkins138@btinternet.com> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:06:18 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility I too have noticed I no longer get asked if I want to make a backup. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: Susan Howard Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:44 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Dear Mike I see in answer to some one else's query you answered. ' Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? ' This is what always happened  to me, I was asked if I wanted to create a backup, some how the last couple of times I closed FH it is not asking. It just closes. I have checked that the Gedcom file has been updated, but would be happier if I also had the zipfile backup. Have i inadvertently changed an option somewhere? Best wishes Sue Howard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Setting FH to do backups is: Preferences/Backup. It was a long time before I realised that FH wasn't backing up my data. I interpreted the option 'Prompt for Backup on exit' was to enable you to change the destination of the backup or choose not to do a backup. I think this label should be changed to something like 'Perform backups on exit'. It's further misleading because it doesn't 'grey out' the following prompt if you don't check the previous box. David -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of victor@markham.me.uk Sent: 03 November 2011 19:15 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility You have to set this up. I am away at the moment but think you need to go to options to find the back up details. You have put a tick in the box if you want reminders Victor Sent from my BlackBerryR wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Dennis Hawkins" <dennis.hawkins138@btinternet.com> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:06:18 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility I too have noticed I no longer get asked if I want to make a backup. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: Susan Howard Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:44 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Dear Mike I see in answer to some one else's query you answered. ' Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? ' This is what always happened to me, I was asked if I wanted to create a backup, some how the last couple of times I closed FH it is not asking. It just closes. I have checked that the Gedcom file has been updated, but would be happier if I also had the zipfile backup. Have i inadvertently changed an option somewhere? Best wishes Sue Howard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You have to set this up. I am away at the moment but think you need to go to options to find the back up details. You have put a tick in the box if you want reminders Victor Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: "Dennis Hawkins" <dennis.hawkins138@btinternet.com> Sender: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 19:06:18 To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Reply-To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility I too have noticed I no longer get asked if I want to make a backup. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: Susan Howard Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:44 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Dear Mike I see in answer to some one else's query you answered. ' Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? ' This is what always happened to me, I was asked if I wanted to create a backup, some how the last couple of times I closed FH it is not asking. It just closes. I have checked that the Gedcom file has been updated, but would be happier if I also had the zipfile backup. Have i inadvertently changed an option somewhere? Best wishes Sue Howard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too have noticed I no longer get asked if I want to make a backup. Dennis Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: Susan Howard Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 4:44 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources and loss of backup facility Dear Mike I see in answer to some one else's query you answered. ' Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? ' This is what always happened to me, I was asked if I wanted to create a backup, some how the last couple of times I closed FH it is not asking. It just closes. I have checked that the Gedcom file has been updated, but would be happier if I also had the zipfile backup. Have i inadvertently changed an option somewhere? Best wishes Sue Howard ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Mike I see in answer to some one else's query you answered. ' Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? ' This is what always happened to me, I was asked if I wanted to create a backup, some how the last couple of times I closed FH it is not asking. It just closes. I have checked that the Gedcom file has been updated, but would be happier if I also had the zipfile backup. Have i inadvertently changed an option somewhere? Best wishes Sue Howard

Good as it is Gedcom Census is not the latest & greatest offering from Nick Walker. It was superseded by Ancestral Sources V1.0 in April 2010 and V2.0 in May 2011. Now it supports not only Census entry but also Baptisms, and Marriages should be next. It is available for free download from FHUG website http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi Also on that website there are introductory tutorials for the new features. Regards Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Allen Sent: 03 November 2011 08:35 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources Thanks, Peter. Yes, I apologise for the temporary panic. After realising that the new gedcom file stopped halfway through the marriages, I copied and pasted the rest from the last backup I had and that worked out nearly OK. But then I realised what Peter said about the "Gedcom Census Backups and Log", which has restored me to where I was prior to the last census entry. Again apologies, I should have more faith in the failsafe of good programs. Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Henderson Sent: 02 November 2011 19:26 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources On 02/11/2011 19:08, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? The default is that FH asks you if you want to make a backup when it closes. I'm sure many people choose not to do this every time, partly because the number of backups soon becomes unmanageable. Gedcom Census, however, makes a backup copy of the file every time it is used, however, and it discards older backups automatically. I don't know whether it backs up before making the changes or after but there should be dated versions of the file in the folder "Gedcom Census Backups and Log" in the Documents folder (Windows 7) or its equivalent. Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Allen > Sent: 02 November 2011 18:47 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FHU] Lost sources > > I've just had a problem using Gedcom Census. I set it to save and it just sat there for hours. Finally I had to close down the computer. > > Now several families that were linked have lost their links and I have no sources. I could use a backup, but that would lose quite a lot of work. Is there any way I can recover at least the original sources? > > And, yes, I know I should backup more often, but more than once a week is rare. >

Thanks, Peter. Yes, I apologise for the temporary panic. After realising that the new gedcom file stopped halfway through the marriages, I copied and pasted the rest from the last backup I had and that worked out nearly OK. But then I realised what Peter said about the "Gedcom Census Backups and Log", which has restored me to where I was prior to the last census entry. Again apologies, I should have more faith in the failsafe of good programs. Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Henderson Sent: 02 November 2011 19:26 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources On 02/11/2011 19:08, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? The default is that FH asks you if you want to make a backup when it closes. I'm sure many people choose not to do this every time, partly because the number of backups soon becomes unmanageable. Gedcom Census, however, makes a backup copy of the file every time it is used, however, and it discards older backups automatically. I don't know whether it backs up before making the changes or after but there should be dated versions of the file in the folder "Gedcom Census Backups and Log" in the Documents folder (Windows 7) or its equivalent. Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Allen > Sent: 02 November 2011 18:47 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FHU] Lost sources > > I've just had a problem using Gedcom Census. I set it to save and it just sat there for hours. Finally I had to close down the > computer. > > Now several families that were linked have lost their links and I have no sources. I could use a backup, but that would lose quite a > lot of work. Is there any way I can recover at least the original sources? > > And, yes, I know I should backup more often, but more than once a week is rare. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 02/11/2011 19:08, Beryl & Mike Tate wrote: > Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? The default is that FH asks you if you want to make a backup when it closes. I'm sure many people choose not to do this every time, partly because the number of backups soon becomes unmanageable. Gedcom Census, however, makes a backup copy of the file every time it is used, however, and it discards older backups automatically. I don't know whether it backs up before making the changes or after but there should be dated versions of the file in the folder "Gedcom Census Backups and Log" in the Documents folder (Windows 7) or its equivalent. Peter > -----Original Message----- > From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Allen > Sent: 02 November 2011 18:47 > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FHU] Lost sources > > I've just had a problem using Gedcom Census. I set it to save and it just sat there for hours. Finally I had to close down the > computer. > > Now several families that were linked have lost their links and I have no sources. I could use a backup, but that would lose quite a > lot of work. Is there any way I can recover at least the original sources? > > And, yes, I know I should backup more often, but more than once a week is rare. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK thanks, Mike. I've solved it up to a point by copying and pasting from the gedcom from my last backup. That just leaves me with a small number of family links to replace. I'm running XP professional, but I can't see why that should cause problems. Martin -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Beryl & Mike Tate Sent: 02 November 2011 19:08 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Lost sources First of all I suggest you make a backup of everything you need to preserve NOW. Then at least you can get back to NOW if any of the recovery attempts fail. What version of Windows are you running? What exactly do you mean by "lost their links" and "no sources"? Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? i.e. File > Backup/Restore > Restore and select a recent .zip file. On a different Note: 1) I suggest you update from Gedcom Census to its successor Ancestral Sources which has many enhancements. 2) There are automatic synch/backup tools such as Dropbox and Windows Live Synch that work instantly. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Allen Sent: 02 November 2011 18:47 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Lost sources I've just had a problem using Gedcom Census. I set it to save and it just sat there for hours. Finally I had to close down the computer. Now several families that were linked have lost their links and I have no sources. I could use a backup, but that would lose quite a lot of work. Is there any way I can recover at least the original sources? And, yes, I know I should backup more often, but more than once a week is rare. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

First of all I suggest you make a backup of everything you need to preserve NOW. Then at least you can get back to NOW if any of the recovery attempts fail. What version of Windows are you running? What exactly do you mean by "lost their links" and "no sources"? Have you tried simply restoring the Backup you create every time you close FH? i.e. File > Backup/Restore > Restore and select a recent .zip file. On a different Note: 1) I suggest you update from Gedcom Census to its successor Ancestral Sources which has many enhancements. 2) There are automatic synch/backup tools such as Dropbox and Windows Live Synch that work instantly. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Allen Sent: 02 November 2011 18:47 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Lost sources I've just had a problem using Gedcom Census. I set it to save and it just sat there for hours. Finally I had to close down the computer. Now several families that were linked have lost their links and I have no sources. I could use a backup, but that would lose quite a lot of work. Is there any way I can recover at least the original sources? And, yes, I know I should backup more often, but more than once a week is rare.

I've just had a problem using Gedcom Census. I set it to save and it just sat there for hours. Finally I had to close down the computer. Now several families that were linked have lost their links and I have no sources. I could use a backup, but that would lose quite a lot of work. Is there any way I can recover at least the original sources? And, yes, I know I should backup more often, but more than once a week is rare.