Pat, Open your chosen Diagram, and use Diagram > Options and select the Text tab. Your current Text Scheme will already be selected. If it is not a (custom) scheme then use the Clone button to create a (custom) copy. Click the Edit button, and under Available Items on the left choose <Custom Item...> near the top. Click the '>' button in the middle and in the popup window give the item a Description (on 2nd line) such as Life Dates. Copy the text Template for circa dates into the Template (on 1st line) and click the Test button lower right to check it is OK. Then click OK. In the Items Used in This Text Scheme on the right use the up/down arrows to position this new Life Dates item. Click OK bottom left. Untick 'Save as default' bottom left and click OK. If anything needs changing, repeat the above but select Life Dates from the right-hand pane and click Edit to change it. When all OK use Diagram > Save Diagram As > Custom Diagram Type and give a name of your choice. In future use View > Custom Diagrams and select this name to use the circa Life Dates scheme. Also use File > Import/Export > Export > Diagram Type and Diagram Text Scheme with the names used above to preserve these customisations. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Ness Sent: 01 March 2012 10:54 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Circa inset I have just tried to use the program text alteration and having had to use search to find the FH Text Template file it came back to me with" No File"! So where do I place the code to make the alteration? Pat Ness pwness@btinternet.com 01629824623

Pat, You don't touch the files directly. Just open Family Historian and go to the diagram and select diagram options then the Text tab, and edit the text scheme and either replace an existing line or add a new line with the text expression. You only need to use notepad to make sure the whole thing is on a single line before you paste it in to the text scheme editor. On 1 March 2012 10:54, Pat Ness <pwness@btinternet.com> wrote: > I have just tried to use the program text alteration and having had to use > search to find the FH Text Template       file it came back to me with" No > File"! > > So where do I place the code to make the alteration? -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Try this to eliminate the " - " =TextIf(Exists(%INDI.BIRT.DATE%) or Exists(%INDI.DEAT.DATE%),CombineText(TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c.",%INDI.BIRT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.BIRT.DATE:ABBREV4%)," - ",TextIf(%INDI.DEAT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c.",%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.DEAT.DATE:ABBREV4%),),) What it does is surround your expression with =TextIf(Exists(%INDI.BIRT.DATE%) or Exists(%INDI.DEAT.DATE%),{your expression},) Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Liddle Sent: 29 February 2012 20:39 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Diagrams - indication of approximate dates Jane, Many, many thanks for your input on this. I have never attempted any "programming" in FH (in fact I do not use it as my main program, but I like some of the charting options it offers). A little further footling produced the code below, which now gives "circa" dates much as I wanted them. The only shortcoming is that if neither a birth date nor death date is known, one still gets a line with the " - " separator. I think I can live with that, but perhaps someone more up to speed than myself can refine my effort to eliminate that. The easiest way to insert the code is to copy and paste it into Notepad and then delete any line breaks the e-mail program has inserted before copying it on into the FH text template. So, for your delectation and delight.......... =CombineText(TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c.",%INDI.BIRT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.BIRT.DATE:ABBREV4%) ," - ",TextIf(%INDI.DEAT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c.",%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.DEAT.DATE:ABBREV4%) ) Hope this helps someone. Regards, John Liddle Backwell, North Somerset - "Where the cider apples grow" -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taubman [mailto:janetaubman@gmail.com] Sent: 27 February 2012 10:18 To: john.wjames@which.net; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Diagrams - indication of approximate dates If you want to experiment this should show the year for dates marked as Approximate with the c. in front. =TextIf(%INDI.DEAT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c. ",%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.DEAT.DATE:ABBREV4%) On 27 February 2012 09:55, John James <john.wjames@which.net> wrote: > Regarding the 'c.1959' formulation, this has been asked a few times in > the past on this mailing list and, to my knowledge, no-one has ever come up with a way of doing it. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snippet>> I've now scaled down the diagram display to 75% and my images are now visible as a result. Unfortunately I don't seem able to maintain this reduction and have to reset it each time that I open the program! <<snippet>> To preserve the scale and any other settings, use Diagram > Save Diagram As > Custom Diagram Type and give it a name of your choice. Then subsequently use View > Custom Diagrams and choose the named Diagram Type. The five Standard Diagrams (at the top of the View > Standard Diagrams list) do not preserve the scale setting. It is advised that you do not change the settings of these five Standard Diagrams without taking precautions. See the FHUG Knowledge Base for further details: Managing FH Settings at http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:move_settings Scope of FH Features at http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:understanding_scope_of_features Regards, Mike Tate

Martyn, Please do persevere - FH is more sophisticated than Generations, and can be highly customised, but using different techniques, that I am sure you will come to use. If you have not discovered it already, then do join (it is free) the Family Historian User Group (FHUG) at http://www.fhug.org.uk/cgi-bin/index.cgi It is full of advice, expert forums, free utilities, etc, etc - it is run by Jane. Do refer to the Help within FH via its Help buttons. Do take the time to work through the book "Getting the Most From Family Historian 4" via the menubar Help. Answering some of your points... FH has a number of different Record types (Individual, Family, Source, Note, Multimedia, Repository, etc) in accordance with the GEDCOM standard. Each of these Record types has its own unique Record ID. To navigate down the Records you usually start with an Individual and in the Property Box open the yellow Source pane. Particularly on the Facts tab (but also the All tab) select any item and if it has a linked Source it appears in the Source pane. Click the yellow triangular Go To Source Record button to open the Source Record. >From there you can open its Repository Record and Multimedia Records if any. To navigate up the Records, first select any Record (say a Source Record), then use menubar View > Record Links. That will list all Records that link to the selected Record, and you can Go To any one of them. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of martynpeart@iprimus.com.au Sent: 01 March 2012 09:47 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Source fields Jane, Thank you very much for taking the time to try to help me. I'm sure what you say about the poor gedcom created by Generations is quite correct but unfortunately I'm stuck with it i.e that's where about 15 years worth of all my sources are documented. Clearly from what you say FH does not have the same array of source fields that I had in Generations and I think you are telling me that I cannot create new ones. As I indicated in my original email, I have not been using Family Historian long enough to have mastered its intricacies as yet. I have looked at the log files for the gedcom import but it really doesn't mean anything to me. I will have to do a lot more reading. I will try what you suggest when I have done enough reading to understand exactly what you mean. When I open the RECORDS window and look at the sources, a large number are listed as "unnamed sources" and when I expand any one of these I get a bit more information about the source but at this stage I don't understand how from there I can identify the individual and fact about that individual to which each of these sources refers! Alongside the source in this same window is a number in the column headed Record id. I haven't yet worked out what this number refers to as clearly it is not the identification number of the individual to whom the record refers. I'm sorry to appear so dumb but I am very new to this program (3 days!). I am sure that with perseverance I will be able to master FH but at this stage. I am really stumbling around as the software is much more complicated than my old Generations program although obviously it has many more capabilities. Martyn -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taubman Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:58 PM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Source fields On 29 February 2012 02:21, <martynpeart@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Can someone please advise if somewhere in Family Historian there is a a > range of source fields that can be chosen or if I can create my own > source > fields for each source type Generations creates really poor gedcom when you export and includes a lot of invalid gedcom. The standard does not support the extra fields, but you can use Labelled Text to tag the items you are looking for using for example Qtr: 1 District: Ilminister in the Where in Source field or any other Note field. If you check the exception report for the import you should be able to see if all your extra fields have been brought in as UDF (undefined data fields) or dropped completely, if they are UDFs you will be able to see them using the All Tab on the Sources If they have been dropped as completely invalid it's sometimes possible to write a script (or use a text editor) to convert them as needed. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Stewart I would hope that version 5 should solve your problem. It uses a much more memory efficient way of displaying pictures in diagrams and reports (and the new books), and with faster diagram loading speed, than previously. Even in V4, you should be able to add as many pictures as you like to a *project* pretty well indefinitely, without adding any measurable burden on FH per se. Of course if you then display a diagram which uses more pictures than previously, the overheads of this will of course have increased - but as I say, this situation is much improved in V5. The only other consideration is that when you start a project, both in V4 and V5, FH will by default load thumbnails in the background, to make the display of pictures in the Focus Window and the Multimedia Window faster. This should not cause problems, but the memory used by FH will temporarily increase while this is happening. You can tell FH to not do it if you want to, for whatever reason. To do that, open Preferences on the Tools menu, and click the Advanced button on the General tab, and untick "Auto-load Thumbnail Images when opening Project". However, I recommend that you only untick this option if you have some good reason to do so because if you do untick it, you will have to wait longer for pictures to appear when you first view them in the Focus Window and the Multimedia Window. Simon Orde List Administrator & Family Historian designer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Harverson" <stewart.harverson@hotmail.co.uk> To: <family-historian-users@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles > Thanks Ian > > It seems that my processor is pretty well as powerful as yours but I have > only 6 GB of memory. > > I generally work using the diagrams window and its really disappointing to > get this malfunction- whatever's causing it. > > I have so many more images that I wanted to add to the media file but it's > clear that I'm simply going to make the situation worse. > I had simply assumed that F.H. could take an endless number of images- > - I had thought that the program automatically reduced the saved image to > a > size that the program could not be overloaded. > > I've now scaled down the diagram display to 75% and my images are now > visible as a result. > Unfortunately I don't seem able to maintain this reduction and have to > reset > it each time that I open the program! > > I can't believe that I've reached a point when all I can do is cross my > fingers and hope that all will be well when I use version 5! > > Oh well ...what's on tv ?! > > Stewart > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Constable > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:41 AM > To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles > > > Stewart > I am afraid I have no suggestions for cures, but for the record and for > comparison, when I run FH (v.4) on this laptop, moving around an > all-relatives diagram with some hundred boxes visible at any point, I > see > two images in the resource monitor marked Fh.exe. One shows a Commit > figure > of 4,020 KB (4MB), which hardly changes whatever happens in FH, and the > other 216,508KB (i.e. 0.2GB compared to your 1.9GB). The latter drops > to > 60MB if I close the chart, and rises to 361MB if I open an Everyone > diagram > (3629 people). This is in Win7 Pro 64bit on an i7 quad-processor with > 8GB > of memory. > The 9 processes for my AVG firewall/virus checker etc use about 150 MB > between them. > Ian > On 28/02/2012 18:58 > > Thanks for trying to help Gabrielle, > > I have spent some time using task manager to examine the processes to see > what's going on - however there's not an obvious culprit! > > I added a 'peak working set (memory)' column to record any peaks in surge. > > Part of my anti-virus program, ('Mcafee on access scanner service') seemed > to be using a lot of resources and surged at just under 438,000 K and > settled to a level around a quarter of that. > > However, F.H. recorded 1,000,000 K on starting up and surged to 1,921,260 > K > on using diagrams. Whilst using 'Diagrams' F.H. continued at that level! > > The'Commit Size' using F.H.was 1,916,676 K (this is apparently the amount > of virtual memory that's reserved for use by a process). > > The difference between the peak working set (memory)figure and the 'Commit > Size' when using diagram in F.H. seems to be so little and I suspect > therein > lies the problem that I am having with poor memory space. > > I admit that looking at the readings on task manager is not something I do > often and trying to understand them is a little beyond me! > > Perhaps someone can suggest what I can do! > > Thanks > Stewart > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gabrielle Baker > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:29 PM > To: [1]family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles > > Hi, > > It might be another program that's the culprit. I use large datasets in > Excel a couple of hundred megs each. I get similar messages if I have > opened a memory intensive application beforehand such as a flash based > game > in Facebook. Even though I may have logged out of facebook when looking > at > the current processes in task manager it still registers the application > as > open. When it next happens open up task manager (control+alt+delete) and > look under the processes tab, you will then see what is clagging up your > system. If you google the name you should come up with the program that > is > the culprit. > > Cheers > > Gabrielle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [2]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [3]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS > -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > sub > ject and the body of the message > > References > > 1. mailto:family-historian-users@rootsweb.com > 2. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com > 3. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just tried to use the program text alteration and having had to use search to find the FH Text Template file it came back to me with" No File"! So where do I place the code to make the alteration? Pat Ness pwness@btinternet.com 01629824623

If it's of any help, I have cleaned a few Generations files in my time, So if you want me to look I can (let me know off list). The issue with the missing titles, I have a V5 plugin which put's titles on from the Actual Text field when Generations does not add them. A Source is a record, and is linked to the Individual, each source can be linked to more than one individual or Family, you can see which are linked to it using the View>Record Links option with the Source you are interested in selected. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

On 29 February 2012 02:21, <martynpeart@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Can someone please advise if somewhere in Family Historian there is a a > range of source fields that can be chosen  or if I can create my own  source > fields for each source type Generations creates really poor gedcom when you export and includes a lot of invalid gedcom. The standard does not support the extra fields, but you can use Labelled Text to tag the items you are looking for using for example Qtr: 1 District: Ilminister in the Where in Source field or any other Note field. If you check the exception report for the import you should be able to see if all your extra fields have been brought in as UDF (undefined data fields) or dropped completely, if they are UDFs you will be able to see them using the All Tab on the Sources If they have been dropped as completely invalid it's sometimes possible to write a script (or use a text editor) to convert them as needed. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Hi Alex I had been doing my family tree for years, when I embarked in 1978 on a one place study on Steeple Morden, Cambridgeshire, England. I began with cards and paper and soon had transcripts of the PRs, Census and then gradually the entire relevant contents of the local record office, numerous Oxford & Cambridge College muniments rooms, the British Library, Cambridge University Library etc etc anything relevant to Steeple Morden. My study wandered into the adjoining counties of Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire. I was fortunate, as although my job allowed little spare time it did pay well and I was able to employ archivists and record agents to copy and transcribe records for me. My study here at home has to be seen to be believed, the files, piles of boxes, map chest etc full of the copies of the original records and the extracted and reconstituted families. I was extracting all references for a particular surname by manual search and copying by hand and then reconstructing families on trees written by hand in ink! The photocopier seemed a marvellous invention and this was long before the days of digital CDs containing so many records. A few years ago I decided that I needed to explore computerisation, especially as I had researched my own family for even longer and wanted to turn all that into something more fitting the digital age. I was surprised with what I found, as the software approach to family history was so different to the manual way. All genealogical software seems to concentrate on adding individuals to "your family" and there is no way to first record all the references to your surname in the parish registers of parish X and then work through identifying and allocating individuals to their appropriate place within the family and on the tree. It seems a very different way of working. I was tempted to get something like Custodian to be the keeper of the records and then other software to be the family record and tree creator. After research I was attracted to Family Historian and enquired as you did "will it work well for a one place study?". I don't think anybody else is doing a one place study and understands the sheer mass of data you acquire, which needs recording until you are ready to analyse and use it, because I did not get any response that went to the heart of the challenge. If you wish to digitise the transcripts and copies you have etc, then I believe you do need something like Custodian or create your own database format. I have not gone any further with that aspect as yet. However, I did decide that FH was a very nifty if somewhat challenging piece of software to record and create family trees, with all the added information and images etc you might want hang onto individuals and trees. I did not mean that to read like a patronising putdown, I think highly of FH! So I bought FH and still feel I am in the early stages of converting to digital. So far it works well for me, but I am inputting families from my paper based reconstructed family files - I am not starting with a parish register transcript trying to reconstruct a family. I have come to the conclusion that there is not a better alternative out there for one place studies. You either embrace genealogical software as is or stick with pen and ink. One Place Studies are unlikely to ever be a market large enough to justify bespoke software. Jane and others did give me some good advice. Particularly, construct the entire one place study as one FH project, don't do a project per family. So I have two projects, one for my own and wife's families, which have no connection with Steeple Morden (except us) and another for Steeple Morden. As far as Steeple Morden goes, so far so good and the major benefit with this as a FH project is when I find new members for a family or realise that my original interpretation of a family is wrong, then a few button hits and clicks and minutes later the tree is redrawn and printable, without the intervention of pen and paper and sometimes hours of labour. Also the multiple inter-relationships are a pleasure to play with and redraw. Introducing my successor as Treasurer of the Village Hall Committee to the Chairman "John, this is Percy. You can trust him as he is your sixth cousin!" Their faces were priceless, as neither knew they were related to the other, even that remotely. I would give FH a go and see if it works for you. Perhaps thereafter we can share experiences. Regards Andrew Andrew J Pye Lovers of Blue & White Steeple Morden ROYSTON Hertfordshire SG8 0RN England Website www.blueandwhite.com Email andrew@blueandwhite.com Telephone >From UK 01763 853 800 >From USA/Canada 011 44 1763 853 800 >From Elsewhere +44 1763 853 800 Facsimile >From UK 01763 853 700 >From USA/Canada 011 44 1763 853 700 >From Elsewhere +44 1763 853 700 -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexandra Coles Sent: 27 February 2012 23:59 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Using Family Historian for one place studies - Character set not allowed I run the One Place Studies website at http://www.one-place-studies.org/ and am undertaking a one place study myself. Is there anyone else on this list doing an OPS? I’m particularly interested to hear if/how you are using Family Historian for any part of your OPS. I had previously thought that traditional genealogy software wasn’t really appropriate to the task, but I am now wondering if some of the features of Family Historian could, in fact, be turned to the actual process of family reconstruction – for example having custom queries to help you identify where separate source records more than likely refer to the same individual, and using the Merge function to combine those previously discrete individuals into one individual. Are there other ways in which Family Historian could be used for an OPS? Alex in Auckland NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane, Many, many thanks for your input on this. I have never attempted any "programming" in FH (in fact I do not use it as my main program, but I like some of the charting options it offers). A little further footling produced the code below, which now gives "circa" dates much as I wanted them. The only shortcoming is that if neither a birth date nor death date is known, one still gets a line with the " - " separator. I think I can live with that, but perhaps someone more up to speed than myself can refine my effort to eliminate that. The easiest way to insert the code is to copy and paste it into Notepad and then delete any line breaks the e-mail program has inserted before copying it on into the FH text template. So, for your delectation and delight.......... =CombineText(TextIf(%INDI.BIRT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c.",%INDI.BIRT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.BIRT.DATE:ABBREV4%) ," - ",TextIf(%INDI.DEAT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c.",%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.DEAT.DATE:ABBREV4%) ) Hope this helps someone. Regards, John Liddle Backwell, North Somerset - "Where the cider apples grow" -----Original Message----- From: Jane Taubman [mailto:janetaubman@gmail.com] Sent: 27 February 2012 10:18 To: john.wjames@which.net; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Diagrams - indication of approximate dates If you want to experiment this should show the year for dates marked as Approximate with the c. in front. =TextIf(%INDI.DEAT.DATE:XDATETYPE% = "Approx",CombineText("c. ",%INDI.DEAT.DATE:YEAR%,,),%INDI.DEAT.DATE:ABBREV4%) On 27 February 2012 09:55, John James <john.wjames@which.net> wrote: > Regarding the 'c.1959' formulation, this has been asked a few times in > the past on this mailing list and, to my knowledge, no-one has ever come up with a way of doing it. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

P.S. It seems that scaling down wasn't the temp cure - it was discovered by reducing the ancestors and descendants to only 5 generations. Stewart ----------- Thanks Ian It seems that my processor is pretty well as powerful as yours but I have only 6 GB of memory. I generally work using the diagrams window and its really disappointing to get this malfunction- whatever's causing it. I have so many more images that I wanted to add to the media file but it's clear that I'm simply going to make the situation worse. I had simply assumed that F.H. could take an endless number of images- - I had thought that the program automatically reduced the saved image to a size that the program could not be overloaded. I've now scaled down the diagram display to 75% and my images are now visible as a result. Unfortunately I don't seem able to maintain this reduction and have to reset it each time that I open the program! I can't believe that I've reached a point when all I can do is cross my fingers and hope that all will be well when I use version 5! Oh well ...what's on tv ?! Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Ian Constable Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:41 AM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles Stewart I am afraid I have no suggestions for cures, but for the record and for comparison, when I run FH (v.4) on this laptop, moving around an all-relatives diagram with some hundred boxes visible at any point, I see two images in the resource monitor marked Fh.exe. One shows a Commit figure of 4,020 KB (4MB), which hardly changes whatever happens in FH, and the other 216,508KB (i.e. 0.2GB compared to your 1.9GB). The latter drops to 60MB if I close the chart, and rises to 361MB if I open an Everyone diagram (3629 people). This is in Win7 Pro 64bit on an i7 quad-processor with 8GB of memory. The 9 processes for my AVG firewall/virus checker etc use about 150 MB between them. Ian On 28/02/2012 18:58 Thanks for trying to help Gabrielle, I have spent some time using task manager to examine the processes to see what's going on - however there's not an obvious culprit! I added a 'peak working set (memory)' column to record any peaks in surge. Part of my anti-virus program, ('Mcafee on access scanner service') seemed to be using a lot of resources and surged at just under 438,000 K and settled to a level around a quarter of that. However, F.H. recorded 1,000,000 K on starting up and surged to 1,921,260 K on using diagrams. Whilst using 'Diagrams' F.H. continued at that level! The'Commit Size' using F.H.was 1,916,676 K (this is apparently the amount of virtual memory that's reserved for use by a process). The difference between the peak working set (memory)figure and the 'Commit Size' when using diagram in F.H. seems to be so little and I suspect therein lies the problem that I am having with poor memory space. I admit that looking at the readings on task manager is not something I do often and trying to understand them is a little beyond me! Perhaps someone can suggest what I can do! Thanks Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Gabrielle Baker Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:29 PM To: [1]family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles Hi, It might be another program that's the culprit. I use large datasets in Excel a couple of hundred megs each. I get similar messages if I have opened a memory intensive application beforehand such as a flash based game in Facebook. Even though I may have logged out of facebook when looking at the current processes in task manager it still registers the application as open. When it next happens open up task manager (control+alt+delete) and look under the processes tab, you will then see what is clagging up your system. If you google the name you should come up with the program that is the culprit. Cheers Gabrielle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the sub ject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:family-historian-users@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ian It seems that my processor is pretty well as powerful as yours but I have only 6 GB of memory. I generally work using the diagrams window and its really disappointing to get this malfunction- whatever's causing it. I have so many more images that I wanted to add to the media file but it's clear that I'm simply going to make the situation worse. I had simply assumed that F.H. could take an endless number of images- - I had thought that the program automatically reduced the saved image to a size that the program could not be overloaded. I've now scaled down the diagram display to 75% and my images are now visible as a result. Unfortunately I don't seem able to maintain this reduction and have to reset it each time that I open the program! I can't believe that I've reached a point when all I can do is cross my fingers and hope that all will be well when I use version 5! Oh well ...what's on tv ?! Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Ian Constable Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:41 AM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles Stewart I am afraid I have no suggestions for cures, but for the record and for comparison, when I run FH (v.4) on this laptop, moving around an all-relatives diagram with some hundred boxes visible at any point, I see two images in the resource monitor marked Fh.exe. One shows a Commit figure of 4,020 KB (4MB), which hardly changes whatever happens in FH, and the other 216,508KB (i.e. 0.2GB compared to your 1.9GB). The latter drops to 60MB if I close the chart, and rises to 361MB if I open an Everyone diagram (3629 people). This is in Win7 Pro 64bit on an i7 quad-processor with 8GB of memory. The 9 processes for my AVG firewall/virus checker etc use about 150 MB between them. Ian On 28/02/2012 18:58 Thanks for trying to help Gabrielle, I have spent some time using task manager to examine the processes to see what's going on - however there's not an obvious culprit! I added a 'peak working set (memory)' column to record any peaks in surge. Part of my anti-virus program, ('Mcafee on access scanner service') seemed to be using a lot of resources and surged at just under 438,000 K and settled to a level around a quarter of that. However, F.H. recorded 1,000,000 K on starting up and surged to 1,921,260 K on using diagrams. Whilst using 'Diagrams' F.H. continued at that level! The'Commit Size' using F.H.was 1,916,676 K (this is apparently the amount of virtual memory that's reserved for use by a process). The difference between the peak working set (memory)figure and the 'Commit Size' when using diagram in F.H. seems to be so little and I suspect therein lies the problem that I am having with poor memory space. I admit that looking at the readings on task manager is not something I do often and trying to understand them is a little beyond me! Perhaps someone can suggest what I can do! Thanks Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Gabrielle Baker Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:29 PM To: [1]family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles Hi, It might be another program that's the culprit. I use large datasets in Excel a couple of hundred megs each. I get similar messages if I have opened a memory intensive application beforehand such as a flash based game in Facebook. Even though I may have logged out of facebook when looking at the current processes in task manager it still registers the application as open. When it next happens open up task manager (control+alt+delete) and look under the processes tab, you will then see what is clagging up your system. If you google the name you should come up with the program that is the culprit. Cheers Gabrielle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the sub ject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:family-historian-users@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Andrew Lots of food for thought here. I think you are right that I should experiment a bit trying to take an OPS from raw data input in FH (probably using Ancestral Sources to generate the necessary individuals in a FH project from the census and parish register entries) through the matching and reconstructing process, and see how easy (or not) it is for both the working phase and the reporting phase. Thanks Alex ________________________________ From: Blue and White China Andrew Pye <andrew@blueandwhite.com> To: Alexandra Coles <ahcoles@yahoo.co.nz>; family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 9:44 AM Subject: RE: [FHU] Using Family Historian for one place studies - Character set not allowed Hi Alex I had been doing my family tree for years, when I embarked in 1978 on a one place study on Steeple Morden, Cambridgeshire, England. I began with cards and paper and soon had transcripts of the PRs, Census and then gradually the entire relevant contents of the local record office, numerous Oxford & Cambridge College muniments rooms, the British Library, Cambridge University Library etc etc anything relevant to Steeple Morden. My study wandered into the adjoining counties of Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire. I was fortunate, as although my job allowed little spare time it did pay well and I was able to employ archivists and record agents to copy and transcribe records for me. My study here at home has to be seen to be believed, the files, piles of boxes, map chest etc full of the copies of the original records and the extracted and reconstituted families. I was extracting all references for a particular surname by manual search and copying by hand and then reconstructing families on trees written by hand in ink! The photocopier seemed a marvellous invention and this was long before the days of digital CDs containing so many records. A few years ago I decided that I needed to explore computerisation, especially as I had researched my own family for even longer and wanted to turn all that into something more fitting the digital age. I was surprised with what I found, as the software approach to family history was so different to the manual way. All genealogical software seems to concentrate on adding individuals to "your family" and there is no way to first record all the references to your surname in the parish registers of parish X and then work through identifying and allocating individuals to their appropriate place within the family and on the tree. It seems a very different way of working. I was tempted to get something like Custodian to be the keeper of the records and then other software to be the family record and tree creator. After research I was attracted to Family Historian and enquired as you did "will it work well for a one place study?". I don't think anybody else is doing a one place study and understands the sheer mass of data you acquire, which needs recording until you are ready to analyse and use it, because I did not get any response that went to the heart of the challenge. If you wish to digitise the transcripts and copies you have etc, then I believe you do need something like Custodian or create your own database format. I have not gone any further with that aspect as yet. However, I did decide that FH was a very nifty if somewhat challenging piece of software to record and create family trees, with all the added information and images etc you might want hang onto individuals and trees. I did not mean that to read like a patronising putdown, I think highly of FH! So I bought FH and still feel I am in the early stages of converting to digital. So far it works well for me, but I am inputting families from my paper based reconstructed family files - I am not starting with a parish register transcript trying to reconstruct a family. I have come to the conclusion that there is not a better alternative out there for one place studies. You either embrace genealogical software as is or stick with pen and ink. One Place Studies are unlikely to ever be a market large enough to justify bespoke software. Jane and others did give me some good advice. Particularly, construct the entire one place study as one FH project, don't do a project per family. So I have two projects, one for my own and wife's families, which have no connection with Steeple Morden (except us) and another for Steeple Morden. As far as Steeple Morden goes, so far so good and the major benefit with this as a FH project is when I find new members for a family or realise that my original interpretation  of a family is wrong, then a few button hits and clicks and minutes later the tree is redrawn and printable, without the intervention of pen and paper and sometimes hours of labour. Also the multiple inter-relationships are a pleasure to play with and redraw. Introducing my successor as Treasurer of the Village Hall Committee to the Chairman "John, this is Percy. You can trust him as he is your sixth cousin!" Their faces were priceless, as neither knew they were related to the other, even that remotely. I would give FH a go and see if it works for you. Perhaps thereafter we can share experiences. Regards Andrew Andrew J Pye Lovers of Blue & White Steeple Morden ROYSTON Hertfordshire SG8 0RN England Website www.blueandwhite.com Email andrew@blueandwhite.com Telephone From UK 01763 853 800 From USA/Canada 011 44 1763 853 800 From Elsewhere +44 1763 853 800 Facsimile From UK 01763 853 700 From USA/Canada 011 44 1763 853 700 From Elsewhere +44 1763 853 700 -----Original Message----- From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Alexandra Coles Sent: 27 February 2012 23:59 To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] Using Family Historian for one place studies - Character set not allowed I run the One Place Studies website at http://www.one-place-studies.org/ and am undertaking a one place study myself. Is there anyone else on this list doing an OPS? I’m particularly interested to hear if/how you are using Family Historian for any part of your OPS. I had previously thought that traditional genealogy software wasn’t really appropriate to the task, but I am now wondering if some of the features of Family Historian could, in fact, be turned to the actual process of family reconstruction – for example having custom queries to help you identify where separate source records more than likely refer to the same individual, and using the Merge function to combine those previously discrete individuals into one individual. Are there other ways in which Family Historian could be used for an OPS? Alex in Auckland NZ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alex, Although I am not doing a ONS. I suspect the Query options available in FH will certainly be of use. I know with my own research, I have ended up with a large percentage of several small Dorset villages and you can use addresses to select facts in queries this should help in tracking house use etc. On 27 February 2012 23:58, Alexandra Coles <ahcoles@yahoo.co.nz> wrote: > I run the One Place Studies website at http://www.one-place-studies.org/ and am undertaking a one place study myself. Is there anyone else on this list > doing an OPS? -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Peter, when you Reply and a new message is opened in your email software all you need to do is select/highlight the bits of the message/digest you don't want or aren't relevant to your reply and hit the delete button. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Peter G Birkhead Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:48 AM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] EDITING I follow the Digests with mixed attention - closely if relevant at the time and casually if it seems possible that in the future I might have cause to refer again. This means a degree of editing if I could only work out 'how'. There is obvious to some a method of "snipping" which must be useful once mastered [I have yet to move into that higher level] but, apart from put the whole Digest with repeated repeats of repeats and further repeats of the repeated repeats, does anyone, please, have recommendations? Peter

I am a new user of Family Historian (2 days!!) so please forgive any naivety in my question – I am on a steep learning curve. I have been using a very old copy of the program Generations Family Tree for about 15 years. The program whilst very simple to use has its limitations and is no longer available to update. I have exported a gedcom of my large body of data from that old program and imported it more or less successfully to Family Historian. My problem is that the 1500 or so sources that I had documented in my old Generations program in great detail have very incompletely been transferred. Much of the valuable information has not been imported. For instance to give a very simple example, my old GRO BMD source records had the title, the place of registration, the year of Registration , the Quarter, the volume and the page number and occasionally a few other things such as Mothers maiden name , age at death, etc. In transferring to Family Historian, the only citations recorded are the title, the volume number and the page – all the rest are missing. I think this is probably because with the old program I could select from a long list of source field to use for each different type of source and I could even create new source fields when existing ones weren’t appropriate. There seem to be very few source fields in Family Historian ( or perhaps I haven’t found them?) and I assume that is why my information has had no where to go. Can someone please advise if somewhere in Family Historian there is a a range of source fields that can be chosen or if I can create my own source fields for each source type . At this stage I am finding the recording and even locating the sources very difficult and confusing. Any help would be appreciated. Martyn Queensland, Australia

Peter I gave up trying to keep snippets. If I want to see if something's been discussed, I just go to the mailing list online http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Software/FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS.html and search the archive http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS I also look at the FHUG website - www.fhug.org.uk Works for me. John _____ From: family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:family-historian-users-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter G Birkhead Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 11:48 AM To: family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: [FHU] EDITING I follow the Digests with mixed attention - closely if relevant at the time and casually if it seems possible that in the future I might have cause to refer again. This means a degree of editing if I could only work out 'how'. There is obvious to some a method of "snipping" which must be useful once mastered [I have yet to move into that higher level] but, apart from put the whole Digest with repeated repeats of repeats and further repeats of the repeated repeats, does anyone, please, have recommendations? Peter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120228-2, 28/02/2012 Tested on: 29/02/2012 11:50:47 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com _____ avast! <http://www.avast.com> Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120228-2, 28/02/2012 Tested on: 29/02/2012 11:50:47 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software. _____ avast! <http://www.avast.com> Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120229-0, 29/02/2012 Tested on: 29/02/2012 12:10:35 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 AVAST Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 120229-0, 29/02/2012 Tested on: 29/02/2012 12:10:40 avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2012 AVAST Software. http://www.avast.com

I follow the Digests with mixed attention - closely if relevant at the time and casually if it seems possible that in the future I might have cause to refer again. This means a degree of editing if I could only work out 'how'. There is obvious to some a method of "snipping" which must be useful once mastered [I have yet to move into that higher level] but, apart from put the whole Digest with repeated repeats of repeats and further repeats of the repeated repeats, does anyone, please, have recommendations? Peter

Stewart I am afraid I have no suggestions for cures, but for the record and for comparison, when I run FH (v.4) on this laptop, moving around an all-relatives diagram with some hundred boxes visible at any point, I see two images in the resource monitor marked Fh.exe. One shows a Commit figure of 4,020 KB (4MB), which hardly changes whatever happens in FH, and the other 216,508KB (i.e. 0.2GB compared to your 1.9GB). The latter drops to 60MB if I close the chart, and rises to 361MB if I open an Everyone diagram (3629 people). This is in Win7 Pro 64bit on an i7 quad-processor with 8GB of memory. The 9 processes for my AVG firewall/virus checker etc use about 150 MB between them. Ian On 28/02/2012 18:58, Stewart Harverson wrote: Thanks for trying to help Gabrielle, I have spent some time using task manager to examine the processes to see what's going on - however there's not an obvious culprit! I added a 'peak working set (memory)' column to record any peaks in surge. Part of my anti-virus program, ('Mcafee on access scanner service') seemed to be using a lot of resources and surged at just under 438,000 K and settled to a level around a quarter of that. However, F.H. recorded 1,000,000 K on starting up and surged to 1,921,260 K on using diagrams. Whilst using 'Diagrams' F.H. continued at that level! The'Commit Size' using F.H.was 1,916,676 K (this is apparently the amount of virtual memory that's reserved for use by a process). The difference between the peak working set (memory)figure and the 'Commit Size' when using diagram in F.H. seems to be so little and I suspect therein lies the problem that I am having with poor memory space. I admit that looking at the readings on task manager is not something I do often and trying to understand them is a little beyond me! Perhaps someone can suggest what I can do! Thanks Stewart -----Original Message----- From: Gabrielle Baker Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 11:29 PM To: [1]family-historian-users@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FHU] Memory troubles Hi, It might be another program that's the culprit. I use large datasets in Excel a couple of hundred megs each. I get similar messages if I have opened a memory intensive application beforehand such as a flash based game in Facebook. Even though I may have logged out of facebook when looking at the current processes in task manager it still registers the application as open. When it next happens open up task manager (control+alt+delete) and look under the processes tab, you will then see what is clagging up your system. If you google the name you should come up with the program that is the culprit. Cheers Gabrielle ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [2]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [3]FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS -request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the sub ject and the body of the message References 1. mailto:family-historian-users@rootsweb.com 2. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS-request@rootsweb.com