Hi Jill I was going to contact you directly. Yes a Sydney group would be great. I will contact Jane and ask her if she could send an e-mail to all those who have purchased the product in Sydney and/or Australia. Have fun where are you going ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jill Ball Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2014 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] FH User groups in the Sydney area ? The only one I know of is in Wyong. I would love to get together with fellow FH users in Sydney. I'm off travelling for a couple of months perhaps we can discuss further on my return if no-one else comes up with a suggestion. I am happy to organise Google Hangouts on air as get togethers. Regards, Jill On 13/03/2014 9:32 AM, "Valerie Barbara Garton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Are there any user groups for FH in the Sydney area please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello down-under, Jane Taubman runs the FHUG http://www.fhug.org.uk/ which is separate from this FHU E-mail service. A year ago she posted "Google Hangout Anyone?" http://www.fhug.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=6856 You might like to follow that up. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shelley Crawford Sent: 14 March 2014 03:53 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] FH User groups in the Sydney area ? I would possibly (I can't always be available at the right time) be interested in Hangouts if you would accept non-Sydneyites. Shelley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jill Ball Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2014 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] FH User groups in the Sydney area ? The only one I know of is in Wyong. I would love to get together with fellow FH users in Sydney. I'm off travelling for a couple of months perhaps we can discuss further on my return if no-one else comes up with a suggestion. I am happy to organise Google Hangouts on air as get togethers. Regards, Jill On 13/03/2014 9:32 AM, "Valerie Barbara Garton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Are there any user groups for FH in the Sydney area please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would possibly (I can't always be available at the right time) be interested in Hangouts if you would accept non-Sydneyites. Shelley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jill Ball Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2014 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FHU] FH User groups in the Sydney area ? The only one I know of is in Wyong. I would love to get together with fellow FH users in Sydney. I'm off travelling for a couple of months perhaps we can discuss further on my return if no-one else comes up with a suggestion. I am happy to organise Google Hangouts on air as get togethers. Regards, Jill On 13/03/2014 9:32 AM, "Valerie Barbara Garton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Are there any user groups for FH in the Sydney area please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > >

The only one I know of is in Wyong. I would love to get together with fellow FH users in Sydney. I'm off travelling for a couple of months perhaps we can discuss further on my return if no-one else comes up with a suggestion. I am happy to organise Google Hangouts on air as get togethers. Regards, Jill On 13/03/2014 9:32 AM, "Valerie Barbara Garton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Are there any user groups for FH in the Sydney area please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Are there any user groups for FH in the Sydney area please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I'm an atheist but with a reasonable working knowledge of several major religions, so bear that in mind when reading the following. > "Baptism Record > "Any type of record or certificate that states the date and place an > individual was baptized into a church. > > "Christening Record > "Any type of record or certificate that states the date and place a child was > **baptized** or named." (My emphasis) Based on my understanding, this makes sense. Baptism is when the person is anointed with, or submerged in, water, signifying their entry into the Christian Church. Christening is where they are given their Christian name and it is made known to other members of the church. Seems to me the confusion arises out of the fact that these two events mostly occur within the same ceremony. As there isn't (to my knowledge) an overarching term for this ceremony it is sometimes referred to as a Christening, and sometimes as a Baptism. Atheists (and I'm sure other belief systems) often have a Naming Ceremony, which is analogous to a Christening. I'm not sure whether this clarifies or muddies the water further :o) Graham

<<snipped>> This is quite a technical point, but highlights a difference between Christening (CHR) and Baptism (BAPM) in the GEDCOM Specification. <<snipped>> Technical it might be, but I like it! There's no sign in the GEDCOM Spec'n of any information about when the two items came into GEDCOM, so no sign of any explanatory logic. The "User's Guide to the New FamilySearch Website (December 2012" https://help.familysearch.org/kb/UserGuide/en/nfs/r_nfs_source_fields.html states: "Baptism Record "Any type of record or certificate that states the date and place an individual was baptized into a church. "Christening Record "Any type of record or certificate that states the date and place a child was **baptized** or named." (My emphasis) This would suggest the LDS view of christening is wider than their view of baptism as it includes naming as well. But why on earth the wider angle should include a definition of the child's family, I don't know. The only logical deduction is that they thought "naming" could include definition of a family, whereas baptism didn't. Sorry, did I say "logical"? (NB - the ceremony of baptism into the LDS church is a different tag again - BAPL not BAPM). As I said, I'm sure some people meant different things by the two terms - I'm just not sure there was any consistency in those meanings! Adrian

This is quite a technical point, but highlights a difference between Christening (CHR) and Baptism (BAPM) in the GEDCOM Specification. Birth (BIRT) and Adoption (ADOP) events can have a Family as Child (FAMC) subordinate link to identify the Adopting parents for example. Similarly, Christening (CHR) events can have a Family as Child (FAMC) subordinate link, but Baptism (BAPM) events CANNOT. I am not qualified to explain why this difference exists, but the GEDCOM Specification says: "Linkage between a child and the family they belonged to at the time of an event can also optionally be shown by a FAMC pointer subordinate to the appropriate event. For example, a FAMC pointer subordinate to an adoption event would show which family adopted this individual. Biological parent or parents can be indicated by a FAMC pointer subordinate to the birth event. The FAMC tag can also optionally be used subordinate to an ADOPtion, or BIRTh event to differentiate which set of parents were related by adoption, sealing, or birth." Although that does not mention Christening (CHR), the later formal structure does, and excludes subordinate FAMC from similar BAPM, BARM, BASM, BLES, CHRA, CONF, FCOM, ORDN events and all other events: INDIVIDUAL_EVENT_STRUCTURE:= [ BIRT | CHR ] +1 <<EVENT_DETAIL>> +1 FAMC @<XREF:FAM>@ ADOP +1 <<EVENT_DETAIL>> +1 FAMC @<XREF:FAM>@ +2 ADOP <ADOPTED_BY_WHICH_PARENT> [ BAPM | BARM | BASM | BLES ] +1 <<EVENT_DETAIL>> [ CHRA | CONF | FCOM | ORDN ] +1 <<EVENT_DETAIL>> Regards, Mike Tate

Thankyou, Jane. It worked a treat. Michael On 3/12/2014 3:01 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Christenings vs baptism (Guy Etchells) > 2. Re: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 323 > (Michael Synge) > 3. Re: FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 323 (Jane Taubman) > 4. Re: Christenings vs baptism (Adrian Bruce) > 5. Christenings vs baptism (Sue Sissons) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:30:02 +0000 > From: Guy Etchells <[email protected]> > Subject: [FHU] Christenings vs baptism > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I have just come across this thread and wonder how you would add the > following from a Church of England Baptism Register > > Bottesford Cof E baptism register > > Sarah, daughter of William Ravell & Hannah his wife, born 18 September > 1797 baptised at Long Bennington, 7^th October 1797, christened at > Bottesford, April 12^th 1798 > > Long Bennington was/is another C of E parish adjacent to Bottesford > > Or perhaps > > Catharine daughter ofSamuel Tyler of Normanton in this parish & Sarah > baptised and christened October 7^th 1798 > > I could show with many christened and baptised entries from this and > other registers across England if need be. > The modern interchangeability of the words was not always so. > > Cheers > > Guy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 17:01:49 -0400 > From: Michael Synge <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FHU] FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 323 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I've made a descendant chart of several generations. To avoid it > getting too complicated I "hid" a lot of people who are not important to > the story. But I overdid and want one or two of the hidden people > back. Is there a way to do that short of redrawing the whole chart? > > Michael Synge > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:10:53 +0000 > From: Jane Taubman <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FHU] FAMILY-HISTORIAN-USERS Digest, Vol 8, Issue 323 > To: family-historian-users <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 11 March 2014 21:01, Michael Synge <[email protected]> wrote: > >> But I overdid and want one or two of the hidden people >> back. Is there a way to do that short of redrawing the whole chart? >> > > Use Diagram>Hide Show Boxes>Show Hidden Boxes you will then be able to see > the hidden ones and right click and "unhide" the ones you want to keep. >

I have come across a number of registers spanning the 1500s - 1800s where the words Baptism and Christening have been used, apparently according to the preference of the vicar, and with every appearance of being interchangeable. Indeed, the Oxford English Dictionary defines the words as follows: *Christening: *1. Conversion to or reception of Christianity 2. The action or ceremony of baptizing, baptism *Baptizing: *The action or ceremony of baptizing: immersion of a person in water, or application of water by pouring or sprinkling, as a religious rite, symbolical of moral or spiritual purification or regeneration, and, as a Christian ordinance, betokening initiation into the Church. As far as Family Historian is concerned I would probably create a baptism and a christening fact for Sarah RAVELL because the events took place on two different dates but only one event for Catharine TYLER using baptism or christening whichever is your favoured term. I always quote each register entry verbatim in the 'Text from Source' field, so anyone else looking at the data would be able to interpret it without misunderstanding, regardless of whether I had used a baptism or a christening fact. I think perhaps personal preference is the best approach. All the best Sue On 11/03/2014 19:30, Guy Etchells wrote: > I have just come across this thread and wonder how you would add the > following from a Church of England Baptism Register > > Bottesford Cof E baptism register > > Sarah, daughter of William Ravell & Hannah his wife, born 18 September > 1797 baptised at Long Bennington, 7^th October 1797, christened at > Bottesford, April 12^th 1798 > > Long Bennington was/is another C of E parish adjacent to Bottesford > > Or perhaps > > Catharine daughter ofSamuel Tyler of Normanton in this parish & Sarah > baptised and christened October 7^th 1798 > > I could show with many christened and baptised entries from this and > other registers across England if need be. > The modern interchangeability of the words was not always so. > > Cheers > > Guy > >

<<snipped>> ... Sarah, daughter of William Ravell & Hannah his wife, born 18 September 1797 baptised at Long Bennington, 7^th October 1797, christened at Bottesford, April 12^th 1798 ... The modern interchangeability of the words was not always so. <<snipped>> That would be my impression also. However, I am less clear that the two words were used consistently. For instance, the 1793-1832 register at Astbury, Cheshire, is, according to my notes, labelled on the original as "Christenings Marriages and Burials at Astbury since the 25th of March 1793", while the one immediately after (1833-1850) is labelled on the original "Clerk's Register of Marriages, Baptisms and Burials at Astbury - 1833". (By labelled, I mean a contemporary-ish piece of text, not a later note from the Archivists. On that score, I've seen instances where the same register is referred to as "Baptisms" in the Record Office's own catalogue _and_ "Christenings" in A2A. Or vice versa.) While it's nice to see both words on the same entry and so it's clear that this clerk meant two different things, I think instances like the Astbury register labels, suggest to me that other clerks might mean *different* things by the same two words. On that basis, it becomes pretty much impossible in the absence of other evidence to interpret the two words accurately. I could _guess_ that the first (the baptism) represented the core of the service (a private baptism???) and the second (the christening) was more in the nature of a reception by the congregation? But it is only a guess. On that basis, I shall put my tongue in cheek, sit firmly on the fence and label both events as "baptism" but put a note against the second referring to the use of the word "christening". Adrian B

On 11 March 2014 21:01, Michael Synge <[email protected]> wrote: > But I overdid and want one or two of the hidden people > back. Is there a way to do that short of redrawing the whole chart? > Use Diagram>Hide Show Boxes>Show Hidden Boxes you will then be able to see the hidden ones and right click and "unhide" the ones you want to keep. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

Guy, FH5 copes perfectly with both events (and Adult Baptisms as well). So I'd just enter it as you described... HTH, Ken On 11 March 2014 19:30, Guy Etchells <[email protected]> wrote: > I have just come across this thread and wonder how you would add the > following from a Church of England Baptism Register > > Bottesford Cof E baptism register > > Sarah, daughter of William Ravell & Hannah his wife, born 18 September > 1797 baptised at Long Bennington, 7^th October 1797, christened at > Bottesford, April 12^th 1798 > > Long Bennington was/is another C of E parish adjacent to Bottesford > > Or perhaps > > Catharine daughter ofSamuel Tyler of Normanton in this parish & Sarah > baptised and christened October 7^th 1798 > > I could show with many christened and baptised entries from this and > other registers across England if need be. > The modern interchangeability of the words was not always so. > > Cheers > > Guy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have just come across this thread and wonder how you would add the following from a Church of England Baptism Register Bottesford Cof E baptism register Sarah, daughter of William Ravell & Hannah his wife, born 18 September 1797 baptised at Long Bennington, 7^th October 1797, christened at Bottesford, April 12^th 1798 Long Bennington was/is another C of E parish adjacent to Bottesford Or perhaps Catharine daughter ofSamuel Tyler of Normanton in this parish & Sarah baptised and christened October 7^th 1798 I could show with many christened and baptised entries from this and other registers across England if need be. The modern interchangeability of the words was not always so. Cheers Guy

I've made a descendant chart of several generations. To avoid it getting too complicated I "hid" a lot of people who are not important to the story. But I overdid and want one or two of the hidden people back. Is there a way to do that short of redrawing the whole chart? Michael Synge

HI Shelagh, There is a great deal of advice at the FHUG http://www.fhug.org.uk/ which is different from this FHU Email service. How to (Re-)install Family Historian is particularly relevant: http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:reinstall_family_historian It is not clear what you copied, but you MUST use a downloaded installation file. It may be best to remove whatever you have copied as that could upset things. If the V5 Download you bought was a Full Licence (NOT a V4 to V5 Upgrade) then the V5 Free Trial download should work. But if you bought the V4 to V5 Upgrade then you MUST use the original download. The FHUG link above has advice about how get the download again from Calico Pie and how to archive it safely!!! Essentially you E-mail [email protected] and give the details of when you bought V5 and thee-mail address you used. The FHUG link above also has advice about how to move your Projects and your customised settings from PC to PC. http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:move_settings There is the Backup and Restore Family Historian Settings Plugin to help you. Regards, Mike Tate -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shelagh Sent: 10 March 2014 18:59 To: [email protected] Subject: [FHU] New Computer I've just bought a new computer and want to move Family Historian 5 to it. I've tried copying my existing set up, entered my registration key (which was ok) but then was asked to re-install. I can't actually find the installation programme, that's why I copied it. I tried downloading the trial version from the internet, which was successful, but won't accept my registration key. Now what do I do? I bought v5 as a download version as soon as it came out.

On 10 March 2014 18:59, Shelagh <[email protected]> wrote: > I bought v5 as a download version as soon as it came out. > If you purchased an upgrade from V4 and did not keep the install program, you'll need to email support at family-historian.co.uk and ask them to resent a link for you. You will also need your V4 licence to install the upgrade. See http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:reinstall_family_historianfor a detailed guide. -- Jane. Jane Taubman | www.rjt.org.uk | www.taubman.org.uk |www.fhug.org.uk

HELP!, I've just bought a new computer and want to move Family Historian 5 to it. I've tried copying my existing set up, entered my registration key (which was ok) but then was asked to re-install. I can't actually find the installation programme, that's why I copied it. I tried downloading the trial version from the internet, which was successful, but won't accept my registration key. Now what do I do? I bought v5 as a download version as soon as it came out. Shelagh

Hi Mike I am using V5 of FH on Windows 7 and am using projects - they are a blessing. Thanks very much Mike for all your help. I had a long session yesterday and appear at last to have finally cracked 'sources' and am happy slinging in certificates etc. It has been an experience and I think I have ditched my fear of doing this. Very grateful indeed. ---------------------- Best wishes, Anne Mike Tate replied: "There is a great deal of advice in the free FHUG Knowledge Base about adding Sources and Multimedia. See http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/ for Family Historian and Ancestral Sources and Glossary of Terms. A good entry to start with is the animated tutorial for adding a Birth Certificate: http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:recording_details_from_a_birt h_certificate Basically, on the Source Record Multimedia tab you add new media and tell FH where it currently exists. FH then copies the file into the Project and creates a Multimedia Record to identify it." Regards, Mike Tate

Many thanks Jane I have now done it. Regards Sue On 28/02/2014 11:06, Jane Taubman wrote: > On 28 February 2014 10:59, Sue <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I have >> saved copies of each family into a GEDCOM format, but when I open them >> on the new laptop none of the photos have transfered. >> > Just copy your whole Family Historian Project Folder to the laptop, or use > the Full Backup and Restore option if you have V5. > > See: http://www.fhug.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=how_to:move_settings > for more information. > >