I had seen this also Roger. I agree if you don't get to see the document, only someone's transcription, on Ancestry or elsewhere, it is as the expression goes, 'a crap shoot.' On Ancestry, I watch people post something and within days perhaps, 10 or 12 others have picked this up and added it to another tree, their own I suppose. Then One World Tree picks it up and declares that 10 or 12 people have posted it to their tree, therefore it must be right. I am not unique in my research problems I know, but I have a 2G Grandfather whose given name is Sluman. Virtually no one wanted to accept that his name could actually be Sluman. Then my surname grandfather enjoyed rotating his name around, making it a nightmare to track him. Such is the world of genealogy research. I guess if we didn't have perseverance we would find a less stressing hobby. "grin" Don -----Original Message----- From: Roger Burbank Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:31 AM To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans >From going to land of mistakes(ancestry.com) I found a dozen trees. Most had John W. Evans as Dudley's son, mother was Anarah Williams, grand parents were John Evans and Rebecca Ann Martin. At least it explains the name Anarah. Waiting on some doc proof from some Windsor researchers. Roger --- On Thu, 12/16/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, Kingsbury & John Evans > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 3:15 AM > > On the West Virginia State Archives website there's a Vital > Records finder with photographic copies of the surviving > books. What is shown for this period are lists of > marriages solemnized by various ministers or justices of the > peace. > > Under "Marriages Solemnized by Joseph A. Shackelford," I > find "John W. Evans & Nancy Wells, 21 October 1813", and > less than three months later, "John Evans & Nancy > Windsor, 6 January 1814". > > There's a remote possibility that it could be the same > couple recorded a second time with the maiden name > changed. But I think that quite unlikely. > > There could be a marriage bond, as some do exist covering > this period. But there isn't one in any of the books > microfilmed for this project. Obviously there was a > list of marriages solemnized by each minister, but looking > at the typing, I think they may have been copied back in WPA > days. The originals might no longer exist, or may have > been lost. If they're still in the custody of the > state, they could be at the State Archives or at WVU. > There's a less appealing possibility, that they could be at > the Monongalia County Courthouse. County officials are > less likely to keep track of them or keep them in good > condition. > > Probably not the most useful information, but at least > there's a book available for everyone to look at. > > Paul > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:01:22 -0800 > > From: burby9@yahoo.com > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > Hi, since Nancy Windsor is in my Windsor line I have > emailed Windsor researchers asking what they have on her > husband John Evans. I have several generations of their > children which probably does not help this problem. We > know who her parents were William Windsor and Parthenia > Connoway. I wonder if there is a marriage license or bond on > Nancy out there. Roger > > > > --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > From: Paul Thorn <p_aculeius@hotmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, Elizabeth, > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 9:09 PM > > > > > > In reply to questions posed by both Renée and > Don: > > > > > > With respect to guardianship proceedings: there > are two > > > different reasons for appointing guardians. > One is to > > > place someone else, such as a stepfather, in the > legal > > > position of a parent. Since James Kingsbury > was not > > > the father of the Evans children, he probably > needed to be > > > appointed their guardian in order to represent > them in > > > day-to-day matters. This kind of > guardianship would > > > necessarily have been created soon after his > marriage to the > > > children's mother, Elizabeth Hall Evans. > This is the > > > kind of guardianship most people are familiar > with today. > > > > > > The second kind of guardianship is one less > familiar today, > > > but it was still quite common through the 19th > and into the > > > 20th Centuries. A guardian would be > appointed to > > > represent the legal interests of minors with > respect to > > > property inherited from a deceased parent. > Even though > > > James Kingsbury might have been a good and honest > man and > > > stepfather, from a legal standpoint he would have > been in a > > > position to harm the children's interest in the > land they > > > inherited from their father. If he had > children of his > > > own before his marriage, or by Elizabeth, he > would have a > > > substantial motive to act in their favour at the > expense of > > > his stepchildren. The law dealt with this > conflict by > > > requiring a guardian who had no interest in the > land, and > > > who therefore could be presumed to act in the > best interests > > > of the children. > > > > > > I can't be certain why guardianship proceedings > would have > > > been commenced eleven years after the death of > Richard > > > Evans, but they might have become necessary > because of a > > > change or dispute with respect to the land that > was part of > > > Richard's estate. For instance, if there > was a dispute > > > over selling part of it, or even if all of the > family agreed > > > to sell, or lease, or take some other legal > action with > > > respect to the land. A guardian would have > been > > > necessary to ensure that James Kingsbury didn't > act to the > > > detriment of his stepchildren, who were the real > owners of > > > the land. It could even have been triggered > by a > > > change in the status of the children; perhaps > when Ann came > > > of age at sixteen, and was legally entitled to > act on her > > > own behalf, a guardian became necessary to > protect the > > > interests of her brothers and sister, who were > still > > > minors. It could also be that Benjamin Hall > replaced > > > an earlier guardian who had died or resigned. > > > > > > However, I don't think it's very likely that the > > > guardianship proceedings date from 1704. > I've been > > > trying to think of ways that this could have been > changed to > > > 1714, but they seem overly-complicated. And > more > > > importantly, we know that Ann was over sixteen, > Samuel over > > > fourteen but under eighteen, and Elizabeth over > fourteen but > > > under sixteen. If the guardianship > proceedings took > > > place in 1714, then Richard, the youngest son, > might have > > > been born within three years of the others, and > all four > > > might have been born within six or eight years of > each > > > other. If they took place in 1704, then > Ann, Samuel, > > > and Elizabeth were all born no later than 1690, > while > > > Richard was born in 1703. That seems > highly > > > improbable. In his article, "Hall Family of > Calvert > > > County," Christopher Johnson estimates > Elizabeth's date of > > > birth as 1673. That would be fine if her > children were > > > born from 1696 to 1703 or so, but it seems > unlikely she > > > would have had three children by the age of > seventeen. > > > So I believe 1714 is probably the correct > year. Of > > > course we do need to find the originals! > > > > > > With respect to John Kingsbury, it does appear > that James > > > had a son by that name. But whether he was > a son of > > > Elizabeth Hall is not clear, since we don't know > when he was > > > born, or whether his father was married > before. In my > > > opinion, we should consider him a "possible" > half-brother to > > > the Evans children, although it may be that he > was only > > > half-brother to James and Priscilla. And > while he > > > probably died before 1743, I don't think we can > completely > > > rule out the possibility that he was the same > John Kingsbury > > > who was a witness to Ann Evans Pottenger's > will. If he > > > had been her brother, she probably would have > made a bequest > > > to him, instead of making him a witness. > But if he > > > wasn't a blood relation, that might explain his > role. > > > And if Elizabeth Hall wasn't his mother, that > might explain > > > why he wasn't mentioned in her will. I > think there are > > > too many unknowns to assign him to one status or > the other. > > > > > > I can't rule out the possibility that the John > Evans who > > > married Sarah Miller was the son of Edward Evans > and Sarah > > > Wood. Since the John Evans who married > Elizabeth > > > Windsor is probably the son of Gerard Evans, and > grandson of > > > Edward, I would tend to suppose that the one who > married > > > Nancy Windsor was a member of the same > family. In this > > > case, the one who married Sarah Miller may have > been the son > > > of Thomas Evans, the ferryman. It might > help, however, > > > to identify where they lived, whether they owned > any land, > > > and whether they moved away. > > > > > > One of the main stumbling blocks is that two of > the John > > > Evanses married women named Nancy. As I > previously > > > speculated, I think the father of the various > children > > > including Nimrod Evans was probably John W. > Evans, the son > > > of Dudley Evans, and that he married Nancy Wells > in > > > 1813. But at the moment I can't prove that > he wasn't > > > the one who married Nancy Windsor. > > > > > > Because the three Evans families of Monongalia > County are > > > so easily confused, and could even have > interacted with one > > > another from time to time (I think it's fairly > certain that > > > John Evans, Sr. and his children interacted with > practically > > > everybody in the county), we should keep a record > of all > > > three families for at least a generation or > two. That > > > way, when we run into problems identifying one > Evans or > > > another, we'll have a source to look at and say, > "ah, that > > > one was a member of the John Evans family, not > ours" or the > > > like. > > > > > > Paul > > > > From: dhr1953@hotmail.com > > > > To: evans-richard@rootsweb.com > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 20:15:02 -0600 > > > > Subject: Re: [EVANS-RICHARD] Richard, > Elizabeth, > > > Kingsbury & John Evans > > > > > > > > Thank you Renee. > > > > > > > > I want to thank the many respondents in the > last few > > > days stirring a lively > > > > debate and exchange of Evans family data > and > > > lineage. Don Raymond > > > > > > > > I do however have some questions that are > quite > > > perplexing to me. > > > > 1. We have an established fact that > Richard > > > Evans died in 1703. My > > > > question is why would there be guardianship > > > proceedings for minor children > > > > some 11 years after the parent's > death? If this > > > date was 1704, I could see > > > > it having relevance. But 11 years > later does not > > > seem to make sense. One > > > > problem we have in discussing these things > is in > > > understanding > > > > English/Colonial Law which was in effect at > this > > > time. Another is that I > > > > personally have seen no original documents, > only > > > someone else's > > > > transcription of documents. Even these > are many > > > times republished several > > > > times over leaving one concerned with > accuracy as each > > > person republished > > > > the information. > > > > > > > > 2. Again, working from a transcription. > > > Elizabeth (Hall) Evans, Kingsbury's > > > > will in 1743, leaves property to her > daughter, > > > Priscilla Groom along with > > > > others of her family. This will assigns > James > > > Kingsbury (Dr. James & > > > > Elizabeth's son) as her executor. No > mention is > > > made of John Kingsbury > > > > which did exist based on a deed transfer > from Dr. > > > James & Elizabeth (Hall) > > > > Evans, Kingsbury to their sons, James & > John, > > > probably made in 1724 or 1725 > > > > since Dr. James Kingsbury died in 1726. This > land was > > > subsequently > > > > transferred to Elihu Hall in 1731 at which > time both > > > James Jr. & John are > > > > alive. This leaves one to presume John has > died > > > between 1731 and 1743. > > > > > > > > Then additional transcribed documents report > James > > > Kingsbury Jr. gave his > > > > son, John Kingsbury, a cow in 1753. Telling > us James > > > Jr. has carried on his > > > > brother's name. > > > > > > > > Knowing that girls did not always inherit > land from > > > their parents leaves us > > > > with the continued problem of identifying > Priscilla's > > > parentage correctly, > > > > Evans or Kingsbury. > > > > > > > > 3. Another question is the one of a Richard > Hall, son > > > of Richard & Elizabeth > > > > (Hall) Evans. I have had a family > structure for > > > Richard and Elizabeth since > > > > 1985 or before, garnered from transcribed > and > > > published sources, not > > > > original, but until recently, had never > heard of or > > > read any mention of a > > > > child named Richard in this family. I > am not > > > doubting it, but, if we need > > > > the guardianship documents to validate this, > I guess > > > that is the direction > > > > we need to direct our energies. And hope the > date is > > > not 1714 or that there > > > > is a valid explanation for that late date. > > > > > > > > 4. The debate of John Evans (the many John > Evans) has > > > still left me without > > > > a connection to the John Evans born 12 Nov > 1785, > > > married in Monongalia Co., > > > > VA. on 23 Feb 1809 to Sarah Miller, daughter > of > > > Abraham Miller Sr. & > > > > Elizabeth Pigman, then moved to Green Twp., > Ross Co., > > > OH. to live out their > > > > lives. As I say, I know how Sarah > Miller > > > connects back to the Evans family > > > > of Maryland but I can't establish a family > for this > > > John Evans. Even though > > > > there doesn’t seem to be a connection yet > for this > > > John Evans, your > > > > information is of great value in sorting > through the > > > large number of that > > > > name. > > > > > > > > Again, Thanks to all. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to EVANS-RICHARD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message